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Wayne Turner or Anthony Epps

HagginHall1999

HagginHall1999

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K_TIME said:
Not crazy at all...Epps is solidly a better PG.

- Epps was way better shooter in all phases (Epps was an amazing FT shooter nobody mentions)
- Epps was much better *** vs. to ratio. Better playmaker for others. Very stingy turning the ball over.
- Epps was as good steals and I'd rate overall defensively was equal to Turner
- Many argue Turner was an amazing scorer....but in the end, he was barely a higher scorer than Epps in the end.
- About the only stat Turner was superior was FG %...which Epps mainly shots 3's which pushed his percentage down.

In the end, both played with very talented teams. But as we've seen with Cal's team. Having a PG clank away from deep vs. one that is a very good shooter for sure opens up the lane as much as anything. Epps made teams pay when he wasn't guarded.....which I'd argue helped Walker, McCarty, Mercer, Anderson, Delk, etc...

- Epps
Sophmore 7 pts a game, 2 reb, 4 *** vs 1.8 TO, 1.4 steals on 41%FG, 40%3pt, 85%FT
Junior 7 pts a game, 3 reb, 5 *** vs 1.5 TO, 1.5 steals on 43%FG, 41%3pt, 82%FT.....NCAA TItle
Senior 9 pts a game, 3 reb, 5 *** vs 1.6 TO, 1.7 steals on 40%FG, 38%3pt, 83%FT....NCAA Runner up

- Turner
Sophmore 6 pts a game, 2.7 reb, 3 *** vs 1.8 TO, 2 steals on 48%FG, 27%3pt, 52%FT...NCAA Runner Up
Junior 9 pts a game, 3 reb, 4.4 *** vs 2.4 TO, 1.6 steals on 48%FG, 37%3pt, 62%FT.....NCAA Title
Senior 10pts a game, 3 reb, 4 *** vs 2.5 TO, 1.5 steals on 49%FG, 28%3pt, 68%FT..
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Turner shot a better FG% by 8% over Epps and attempted 300 more FG's in his career . He didn't have to shoot because he could make layups. Epps was undoubtedly a better jump shooter but doesn't matter if Turner was the better finisher.

I refuse to bash either guy (not saying you are)...but one guy started on a team(s) that sported 9 NBA guys and college All-Americans while the other started on teams with talent, but not that level...more experience.

Simply put, as much as I love Epps he could make a skip pass to Tony Delk who made 265 three pointers in the three seasons they played together and get an assist.

Turner was a force on his teams and few have had a bigger impact on a singular game than he did in comeback vs Duke.
 
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Wayne Turner was a lockdown defender who played in three straight national championships, playing an unheard of 151 games, winning 131. He started more games and played more minutes than Epps. too.
 
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HagginHall1999 said:
Turner shot a better FG% by 8% over Epps and attempted 300 more FG's in his career . He didn't have to shoot because he could make layups. Epps was undoubtedly a better jump shooter but doesn't matter if Turner was the better finisher.

I refuse to bash either guy (not saying you are)...but one guy started on a team(s) that sported 9 NBA guys and college All-Americans while the other started on teams with talent, but not that level...more experience.

Simply put, as much as I love Epps he could make a skip pass to Tony Delk who made 265 three pointers in the three seasons they played together and get an assist.

Turner was a force on his teams and few have had a bigger impact on a singular game than he did in comeback vs Duke.
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He literally scored 10 pts a game to Epps 9pts a game in their last few years....so it's not like Wayne was an amazing layup finish....he was never an elite scoring PG.

Turner played with Mercer, Anderson, Pope, Padgett, Nazr, Magloire, Shep, Prince,....all of those guys played in NBA or were had a cup of coffee in NBA.

Loved them both....but we've seen teams just pack the lane when you have a non shooter on the perimeter.
 
HagginHall1999

HagginHall1999

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K_TIME said:
He literally scored 10 pts a game to Epps 9pts a game in their last few years....so it's not like Wayne was an amazing layup finish....he was never an elite scoring PG.

Turner played with Mercer, Anderson, Pope, Padgett, Nazr, Magloire, Shep, Prince,....all of those guys played in NBA or were had a cup of coffee in NBA.

Loved them both....but we've seen teams just pack the lane when you have a non shooter on the perimeter.
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He didn't start with most of those guys. He started 18 games in '96 and '97. He scored 300+ more points than Epps in his career.
 
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Rondoed said:
Wayne Turner was a lockdown defender who played in three straight national championships, playing an unheard of 151 games, winning 131. He started more games and played more minutes than Epps. too.
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Wayne actually didn’t even play in the Syracuse game in 1996! That was only game he didn’t get in all season. That’d b a bunch of horse **** to be that unlucky if you wanna call it that. Well he got to warm up in 3 straight NC games and had a nice seat. I didn’t know how many ppl actually knew this about Wayne. I rather have Epps personally because I like guys who can knock down 3s at 40% and FTs when the game are on the line.. but I wouldn’t complain if I was stuck with Wayne. They both had nice games!
 
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STL_Cat said:
I can’t choose between these two, sorry OP!
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Tough one, slight edge to Wayne IMHO. It is crazy though if you look at them, equal 5 to 5 in major statiscal categories.

Results
Turner Teams- NC, RU, NC*, EE*
Epps Teams- 32, EE, NC*, RU*
*- regular starter

FG%
Turner- 49%, 417/813
Epps- 41%, 259/630

3FG%
Turner- 31%, 38/119
Epps- 40%, 155/391

FT%
Turner- 63%, 222/353
Epps- 82%, 202/254

PTS
Turner- 1130
Epps- 881

AST
Turner- 494
Epps- 544

REB
Turner- 381
Epps- 329

STL
Turner- 238
Epps- 184

BLK
Turner- 37
Epps- 7

TO
Turner- 293
Epps- 189

AtoT
Turner- 1.68
Epps- 2.87

Total Minutes
Turner- 3528
Epps- 2797
 
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cats#1again

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For all the crap turner got for his bad shooting, the kid shot 51% from inside the arc for his career. That's a really good percentage.
Epps was a winner and a local favorite but give me turner to start a team
 
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cats#1again said:
For all the crap turner got for his bad shooting, the kid shot 51% from inside the arc for his career. That's a really good percentage.
Epps was a winner and a local favorite but give me turner to start a team
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Wayne was tough at penetrating and going by his man to get within about 6-8 ft in front of the rim and put it up and in and when he done that it wasn’t as bad looking because he didn’t do it in 7 different motions like when he took a 3PA or a FT it would look like that ball could land up in the 8th row from where the players come out at 😂. I think most ppl were just surprised that college D1 PG had a form that look like that. I know I never got used to that when watching him shoot FTs but with that said I’d like to have more Wayne’s who knew how to win like he did come on thru and play..
 
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