Watching our replay....

[missouridawg]

And that was absolutely intentional grounding early in the 3rd quarter. That pass was no where close to getting back to the LOS

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Fumble ....is what it was.

 

[missouridawg]

Fumble ....is what it was.

That too. Leo knocked his arm forward.

 

[Clarence Boddicker]

Fumble ....is what it was.

It amazes me that the refs were that dense. It was obvious to everyone alive that his arm moved forward due to momentum from the hit. I'm sure there is some narrow definition of the rule that was applied, as his arm was definitely moving forward. But the QB did NOT have possession of the ball and try to make a throw. That's just asinine that they expect people to believe that. What they called, while it may have been technically accurate, was not in the spirit of the rule.

 

[Crazy Cotton]

speaking of watching the replay, Erroll Thompson is a very bad man. Whoever picked him as "ya boy" this year is looking good early. 7 solo, 1 sack, 1 tfl and a hurry in that game.

 

[Faustdog]

Leo also had a great game outside of his needless penalty.

 

[patdog]

I think Mizzou is talking about the intentional grounding non-call later in the game. He right. That ball didn't come within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage and the QB was near the yard numbers, well outside the pocket. The overturned call on the fumble Lewis caused in the 1st quarter was one of the few the game officials got right, but the replay official somehow decided there was indisputable evidence that was a forward pass. It should have been overturned if it had been called incomplete on the field. And both of those calls would have been huge game-changers if it was a close game. Overall, one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. And every bad call went against us.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Dubmass Ole Miss fan on tRant yesterday was arguing that it was physically impossible to hit someone from behind and knock the arm forward. Yea for a split second the force is gonna knock the arm backwards. Until the arm goes as far back as it can go then the whiplash is gonna force the arm forward. Their arrogant stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

It amazes me that the refs were that dense. It was obvious to everyone alive that his arm moved forward due to momentum from the hit. I'm sure there is some narrow definition of the rule that was applied, as his arm was definitely moving forward. But the QB did NOT have possession of the ball and try to make a throw. That's just asinine that they expect people to believe that. What they called, while it may have been technically accurate, was not in the spirit of the rule.

Compare that with the final play of the UK vs UF game.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Dubmass Ole Miss fan on tRant yesterday was arguing that it was physically impossible to hit someone from behind and knock the arm forward. Yea for a split second the force is gonna knock the arm backwards. Until the arm goes as far back as it can go then the whiplash is gonna force the arm forward. Their arrogant stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

Abraham Zapruder disagrees.

 

[HumpDawgy]

Refs were garbage.

 

[coach66]

The big 12 guys in the booth did what they were supposed to do. Simple as that.

nm

 

[DawgsOnTheWing]

Don't forget his layout interception.........

 

[Go Budaw]

Fumble ....is what it was.

Yep. There has to be room in the rules to for officials to judge that when your whole body is going forward, then obviously your arm is going to go forward too. He never pulled back to throw before the hit. Obvious fumble.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

One of the worse you've ever seen? Come on now, they missed a few calls. Our 11 penalties were all our fault for the most part.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Grassy knoll theory.

 

[thf24]

That series of events was very disturbing, because it wasn't just a bad/blown call. It was clear evidence that the replay crew is not proficient with the rulebook. First, it was a fumble because the forward movement of the QB's was forced by the defense, not intentional. I can accept that being missed by the crew on the field. But for the replay crew to fail confirm the fumble after seeing the play from a clear angle in slow motion, the only explanation is they are not fluent in the rulebook to an acceptable level. At that point after ruling it a forward pass, they should have then reviewed the play for intentional grounding, which is within their purview to do. They apparently did not. Two counts of incompetence on the same review.

With the ever increasing amount of stoppages and reviews being forced on us, the quality of the officiating should be getting better. But it's only continuing to get worse. Instead of investigating and addressing the issues behind increasingly mediocre officiating, the NCAA is only attempting to band-aid it with gimmicks like more review, which is only making the overall product worse.

 

[mount lefroy]

That series of events was very disturbing, because it wasn't just a bad/blown call. It was clear evidence that the replay crew is not proficient with the rulebook. First, it was a fumble because the forward movement of the QB's was forced by the defense, not intentional. I can accept that being missed by the crew on the field. But for the replay crew to fail confirm the fumble after seeing the play from a clear angle in slow motion, the only explanation is they are not fluent in the rulebook to an acceptable level. At that point after ruling it a forward pass, they should have then reviewed the play for intentional grounding, which is within their purview to do. They apparently did not. Two counts of incompetence on the same review.

With the ever increasing amount of stoppages and reviews being forced on us, the quality of the officiating should be getting better. But it's only continuing to get worse. Instead of investigating and addressing the issues behind increasingly mediocre officiating, the NCAA is only attempting to band-aid it with gimmicks like more review, which is only making the overall product worse.

You are exactly right. My problem is that the ref that threw the bean bag for the fumble is also who decided to overturn his own call. I'm sorry, that is not what instant replay is supposed to remedy. The control of the ball in the hand is only one element. As you said he has to throw it with intention. There is no way he was doing that and what makes it a fumble.

But we dominated even when most every call went against us and that is very good.

 

[FQDawg]

At that point after ruling it a forward pass, they should have then reviewed the play for intentional grounding, which is within their purview to do. They apparently did not. Two counts of incompetence on the same review.

I've seen this - that if it wasn't a fumble then it should have been intentional grounding - a few different times now and, frankly, it's nonsensical.

Just assume for a minute that it was an actual attempted pass... No ref is going to call intentional grounding when the QB is being hit like that. The clear interpretation is that the QB was attempting a pass and the defensive player hit him enough to impact his throw... which clearly obviates the idea of intentional grounding.