Any chance Moos can create some new low budget women's sports so that we can support a bigger walkon program for the football team? I'd hate to see NU cut more men's sports again. I noticed we have women's beach volleyball already, maybe we could add women's hockey, women's curling, women's ping pong, women's wrestling. This Title IX rule is so stupid.
Walkon Program, Women's sports, Title IX
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I could be wrong, but I think Title IX only looks at scholarships.
womens body fitness teams, there's no set limits on how many..problem solved
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Question on walk-ons: what is the difference between preferred walk-on and walk-on. I know I should know, but can’t recall. Thanks!
Article last night from omaha.com quotes Moos as saying it's "once you're on a squad list". Hopefully there some follow-up on this.
Preferred walk-ons are guaranteed a spot on the 105.
I'm not an expert on this, but I've been told, and it has been explained to me that Title IX doesn't mean always mean the scholarships have to be equal. However, that is the way most universities choose to try to apply it, because frankly it is the easiest to defend of the 3 'prongs' (a university only has to be in compliance with one) in the test to determine compliance (see link below). If you assume that most schools are fairly close to a 50/50 ratio of male to female students as a whole, then if you have a 50/50 breakdown of scholarships, the institution should be in compliance.
It has always been my understanding that a university can be under that 50/50 Proportionality test, if they comply with either the 2nd or 3rd prong, but....that is harder to defend in court.
You don't have to add another sport, say women's hockey if it can't be shown that there is a high 'interest and ability' level on the campus. I know there are high school girls in Omaha that play hockey (not sure about other parts of the state), but I have no idea if there are enough female students at UNL (and would likely to enroll at UNL in the future) who have the 'interest and ability' to justify the forming of a female hockey team.
I put a link to all the NCAA championships below. Honest question, which ones listed that UNL doesn't offer, would there be enough 'interest and ability' level to add to the athletic department? I don't know enough about the student body as a whole attending UNL to say one way or another. If you look at the schools that currently have women's hockey, they are mostly in a geographic area that you would expect an interest in hockey to be higher. Thus adding women's hockey would go to satisfying prong 2 (History and Continuing Practice) and prong 3 (Effectively Accommodating Interests and Abilities).
I had some female neighbors who were a bit older and big soccer players in the 80s, who went to UNL. Their family and others actively pressured Devaney to add soccer as a NCAA sport in the mid to late 80s. I can't say their pressuring was the reason it was added at Nebraska, but since there was an obvious interest and ability level (prong # 3) among the students it was logical to add it as a women's sport.
Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I had some people smarter than me and more versed in this topic explain that Nebraska could be (and may be now), not in compliance with the prong 1 Proportionality test. But if they can show that they have either complied with prong 2 and/or 3, it doesn't have to be 50/50. But again, it is easier to defend in court to just be 50/50 so some universities have taken the easy way out and dropped sports like wrestling. Prong 1 is more black and white since you are dealing with numbers vs prongs 2 and 3 which are somewhat subjective.
If I'm not correct on this someone correct me.
https://www.womenssportsfoundation....at-is-title-ix/standard-language-of-title-ix/
http://www.ncaa.org/championships?division=d1
It has always been my understanding that a university can be under that 50/50 Proportionality test, if they comply with either the 2nd or 3rd prong, but....that is harder to defend in court.
You don't have to add another sport, say women's hockey if it can't be shown that there is a high 'interest and ability' level on the campus. I know there are high school girls in Omaha that play hockey (not sure about other parts of the state), but I have no idea if there are enough female students at UNL (and would likely to enroll at UNL in the future) who have the 'interest and ability' to justify the forming of a female hockey team.
I put a link to all the NCAA championships below. Honest question, which ones listed that UNL doesn't offer, would there be enough 'interest and ability' level to add to the athletic department? I don't know enough about the student body as a whole attending UNL to say one way or another. If you look at the schools that currently have women's hockey, they are mostly in a geographic area that you would expect an interest in hockey to be higher. Thus adding women's hockey would go to satisfying prong 2 (History and Continuing Practice) and prong 3 (Effectively Accommodating Interests and Abilities).
I had some female neighbors who were a bit older and big soccer players in the 80s, who went to UNL. Their family and others actively pressured Devaney to add soccer as a NCAA sport in the mid to late 80s. I can't say their pressuring was the reason it was added at Nebraska, but since there was an obvious interest and ability level (prong # 3) among the students it was logical to add it as a women's sport.
Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I had some people smarter than me and more versed in this topic explain that Nebraska could be (and may be now), not in compliance with the prong 1 Proportionality test. But if they can show that they have either complied with prong 2 and/or 3, it doesn't have to be 50/50. But again, it is easier to defend in court to just be 50/50 so some universities have taken the easy way out and dropped sports like wrestling. Prong 1 is more black and white since you are dealing with numbers vs prongs 2 and 3 which are somewhat subjective.
If I'm not correct on this someone correct me.
https://www.womenssportsfoundation....at-is-title-ix/standard-language-of-title-ix/
http://www.ncaa.org/championships?division=d1
We could always just have 50 of our football players choose to "identify" themselves as female..
That's all it takes right?I have been hoping NU would get on board with women’s acrobatics and tumbling teams so my kids can stay close to homes. It’s for girls who don’t get scholarships for gymnastics,cheer,diving but have good tumbling skills
Where did you see anything written that says the walk on program numbers are kept down because of title IX? I am not sure I see that correlation unless I am totally missing something. What sense does it make to start a new women's sport that is very likely to not be a revenue producer so you can add more walk on football players who pay their own way? How is it a benefit to the university there?
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I think UNL should add both men's and women's hockey. Hockey would pay for itself, so it would not be a drain on the athletic department. I also think they should add Lacrosse and women's field hockey. We're a Big Ten school now, we should act like it.
Personally, I don't see UNL having an issue with Title IX. What popular sport for women is not offered at UNL? They can't just make up new sports (dodgeball, plate stacking, and Quiddich) for women just to hand out scholarships. Football's walk-on program doesn't affect compliance. What women is going to complain she doesn't have equal opportunity to pay all college expenses herself as an athlete who will never see the field?
Personally, I don't see UNL having an issue with Title IX. What popular sport for women is not offered at UNL? They can't just make up new sports (dodgeball, plate stacking, and Quiddich) for women just to hand out scholarships. Football's walk-on program doesn't affect compliance. What women is going to complain she doesn't have equal opportunity to pay all college expenses herself as an athlete who will never see the field?
Moos was quoted in OWH article concerning walk-ons. He specifically said they are affected by Title IX.
We could always just have 50 of our football players choose to "identify" themselves as female..
\LOL good one, that should do it!
I posted about this in another title ix thread with links, but basically in 1996 title ix was changed to include all people listed on your team. It no longer matters if you are a scholarship player, a preferred walk on, or a regular walk on, they all count. If a person does a little digging you find a number of schools coming up with 'creative' but not always ethical ways to keep the numbers even.
Don't forget also that it isn't a pure 50/50 split. It is proportional to the undergraduate student population. The national average is 57% women 43% men. I don't know what nebraska's split is, but technically your numbers for title ix are supposed to be the same ratio + or - some %.
What you end up with now days is athletic departments that "encourage" their women's coaches to load up on players. There are several softball programs around the country that have upwards of 30-35 players on rosters. Considering only 12 scholarships are allowed in division 1, a vast majority of those players are just number counters. The current softball coach at Iowa St, left Arkansas because he didn't want to deal with the number of players the AD suggested he have.
Another sport that gets added a lot is crew/rowing. Look at K St, no softball but their rowing team has 36 athletes. Many of these programs actually have closer to 50 when the numbers are counted for compliance. After that, they really don't care if the rowers even show up for practice.
It is nothing more than a shell game.
Another sport that gets added a lot is crew/rowing. Look at K St, no softball but their rowing team has 36 athletes. Many of these programs actually have closer to 50 when the numbers are counted for compliance. After that, they really don't care if the rowers even show up for practice.
It is nothing more than a shell game.
We need a minor league baseball team. Don’t care if they stink. Then practice football and build up a roster of 25 years olds. And pay them.
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