Walk-on honks get ready
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Gonna be a lot of cream-filled wranglers in Cletustown if White Mazour starts getting big-time carries.
Wrong. You don't throw freshman out there as starters if they are not ready. It does more long term damage to the player. If they are ready then play.
I didnt say throw them out there.
But if some are ready to.play they should be playing.
When you lose your entire Dline you better have someone people in place to replace it.
Our Back up Dlineman are average at best...why not give kids playing time.
If you damage a kid by playing him too early then he isnt going to.magically turn into a great player later on anyways.
Our offense is playing young players.
Our defense is playing upperclassmen tbat are getting it handed to them.
Some of those reps should be going to.people who will be here next and the year beyond
Next year you will he complaining we need more time blah blah blah
In the Big Ten it is extremely tough to win games if you have freshman starting at the LOS. You will probably see Ty Robinson getting some snaps as we finish the season. He will likely be a starter at DE next season. We have another guy that is redshirting that will likely start at NG. The other DE will likely come from one of the guys already getting playing time this season.
The way that you combat OSU is to have fully developed juniors and seniors and have some young studs mixed in. You will never out talent Ohio State no matter who their head coach is. That former #1 recruiting class that Ohio State had is now playing on that football field and it shows.
You will see some true freshman at skill spots on O playing for Frost but as we build up the LOS like it should be it will be rare we see any freshman playing in the front 7 or LOS.
I'm already working furiously on my multi-page I WAS THERE WHEN manifesto about the day walk-on I.M. Hipp put up 250 against Indiana in 1977, on his way to nearly 3,000 career rushing yards.
There will be lots of ALL CAPS and italics, so that yew haterzzz don't miss any of my biting insights.
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Rahmir has only played in two games so far, right? Would love to see what he can do, without burning his RS.
Agree! Even more importantly we better hope to never see True Freshmen on the OLine.
And I don't get it with fans wanting Freshmen to get their shot now. I always think back to our talented 4 star DLine commit Ndamukong Suh getting pushed around by USC as a redshirt Sophomore. That was his 3rd year in the program. Suh in year 4 and 5 didn't get pushed around by anyone. Development is real!
Any successful program should be confident in their ability to develop good players vs hoping a guy fresh out of high school can magically solve issues from day 1.
When it comes to OLine and DLine and building a strong program, we need 5th year senior seasons over True Freshmen seasons in almost every case.
Things got really thin at RB really fast. I’m not even sure Mills is fully healthy.
I'm for taking lumps for experience.
.Remember this talent can walk out the door anytime.
I dont buy people are too little on defense as freshmen to get reps.
The coaches have to recruit better then cause players can go where they want now when they want.
Inexperience in the Big 10 is just as bad as youth.
Yea players can walk out at any time. It helps when recruits are given proper expectations and a clear vision for their career before committing.
We don't want linemen commits coming in solely because they expect to start in year 1 or 2 rather we want commits to come here with goals of developing, maximizing their potential, and having a major impact during their career. Of those are the expectations and the coaching staff sticks around to carry out their vision then roster turnover shouldn't be such a major issue.
Yes Ty Robinson might be big enough now to have an impact but barring injury, Ty should be much better over the next 4yrs than as a True Freshman.
Small sample size, but Belt has looked good every time he's been on the field. I'm not saying he's an every down guy or anything, but he looks like a potential contributor.
We always use extremes to make our point. The average Big Ten linemen, not on Ohio St, Michigan, Wisconsin and Penn St are just that...average.
you can play true and redshirt freshman against Northwestern, purdue, Illinois, Indiana, Rutgers, and most of the non conference....experience in those games is just as valuable as sitting around all year practicing.
When my oldest was 14 she was playing at the highest level of her club sport. She was playing against 17 and 18 year olds and held her own. By the time she was 17 and 18, she was twice the player she would have been had she played against only players her age. She didn’t get mentally destroyed because those 18 year olds were better than she was.
mentally weak players will be mentally weak
you can play true and redshirt freshman against Northwestern, purdue, Illinois, Indiana, Rutgers, and most of the non conference....experience in those games is just as valuable as sitting around all year practicing.
When my oldest was 14 she was playing at the highest level of her club sport. She was playing against 17 and 18 year olds and held her own. By the time she was 17 and 18, she was twice the player she would have been had she played against only players her age. She didn’t get mentally destroyed because those 18 year olds were better than she was.
mentally weak players will be mentally weak
Yeah mentally breaking some kid because he has a tough game as a freshman is not a concern of mine. Whether or not the kid knows his job in a variety of situations is.
The only guy who jumps out at me as a possible difference maker the next two weeks is Rahmir Johnson and MY GOD did they waste his first couple games. Like if you're gonna ding one of his 4 can you get him the football? If he truly is ready I would use his next two games with IU and Purdue to try to get bowl eligible and then shut him down for Wisconsin and Iowa.
The only guy who jumps out at me as a possible difference maker the next two weeks is Rahmir Johnson and MY GOD did they waste his first couple games. Like if you're gonna ding one of his 4 can you get him the football? If he truly is ready I would use his next two games with IU and Purdue to try to get bowl eligible and then shut him down for Wisconsin and Iowa.
True. I think what people are saying is the starters aren't getting it done. Can what we have be any worse and would it stimulate the older guys to get their crap together and work harder.
Atleast that's my assumption
If players are going to walk out because they didn't get to play as true freshman, we probably didn't want that player and his attitude anyway. Very few true freshman are physically and mentally mature enough to play right away. The ones who were mature enough did see playing time, just look at Wandale and Garrett Nelson.
This exactly what I'm saying.
When Bily Tubbs came in at TCU.I knew he was bringing his players in so I worked my *** off to be ready cause I knew anew coach was coming in and will likely play his players.
Unfortunately I strained my Achilles 2 weeks before my senior season and never recovered from tbat for meaningful playing time.
You can't play true freshman if you're in dogfights against those teams. What if we send in a true freshman, there's a good chance he makes a mistake and we lose those games. Now we're looking at a 4-8 season at best. High school girls soccer is a hell of a lot different than college football and even if it wasn't, you said she developed as she got older. Well that tends to happen with age and development. You get a lot better as a senior than you are as a freshman, so why not save your first year, by the time you're in your fifth year you should be able to play at a much higher level.
That's one player I have no idea why we were trying to redshirt in the first place. Mills is slowly improving but he hasn't been very good all year. Washington is constantly hurt, so we had to rely on Wandale to get the bulk of carries when he should be a slot receiver. It's obvious we were super thin at running back all year and needed Rahmir badly. Our running back recruiting is not something I'm worried about, so I don't know why there was such a concern about keeping his redshirt.
With more RBs coming in and Thompkins as a RS, I don’t get the fixation of a RS for Rahmir. If he’s the second best back he should play the rest of the games.
the point was that 14 year olds playing against 18 year olds. They weren’t as mature, were t as experienced and still played well enough to see the court. Playing against the tougher competition made her better, it wasn’t just maturity. Then when she played those older kids in college, she wasn’t intimidated. She had been playing against them since she was 14.
freshmen mistakes?? That’s what you are concerned about? Have you watched our 21 and 22 year old ILBs and safeties try to fill a run gap?
Every top 25 team in America has young players (freshmen and sophomores) playing significant roles. But apparently at Nebraska you need to have RS juniors and seniors to win games.
You have to play the best and most athletic players. I promise you that the players notice when the more talented freshmen or sophomore is sitting behind an “experienced” junior or senior.
Because what do you gain from burning his redshirt? I already said play him to get bowl eligible if in fact he makes the team more likely to win than Wyatt or Brody. He has two more games available.
If not, what are you selling, the notion of playing kids because what the hell, we'll go get more kids in a year when the best NU can do is make a bowl game? Why keep walk-ons on your roster at all if that's how you're going to treat your scholarship freshmen?
The upside of redshirting is established. A year to build your body and ESPECIALLY your understanding and confidence within the offense. Sounds like he needs the latter the most, he didn't forget how to run fast.
Nothing I've seen in the way they've used him so far leads me to the conclusion that he's the second best back. We've seen them burn a few shirts already, I don't think they have guys where they're going, "Yeah we're a way better team with him out there but let's save him..."
So far I think Frost is doing a way better job of getting young guys involved than Pelini did. Gotta be able to walk that line of taking your lumps with young guys sometimes to keep them engaged and encouraged. It's too easy for them to take their talents elsewhere these days if you don't.
OK this is where the rubber meets the road for me, we have a starting left guard that on his best day is still the worst of the five linemen. We have a right tackle that is better suited to play offensive guard. I don’t think there is anyway this team is worse by having Benhart playing OT and Farniok at OG rather than what we’ve thrown out there so far. Benhart gets experience and you improve the team for 2020.
Could Bando slide over and play RT so Farniok can move to Guard?
doesn't matter really, if Hixson isn't getting the job done, Bando is who will replace him at guard, so the same 5 guys are on the field.
My question would be is Bando at Guard and Farniok at Tackle, or Bando at Tackle and Farniok at Guard better than Farniok at Guard and Benhart at Tackle. I think not. At least not in the long term and not for 2020 if Benhart gets some experience.
Bando has looked decent at Left Tackle when he's had a chance. Why not have him move to Right Tackle so Farniok can play Guard?
I don't know, but that doesn't answer my question. Is Bando on the field better than Benhart on the field. I still say not for the long term.
He is the poster child for my theory. Why do you spend a redshirt on him? If he was a stud then he wouldn't be here for a 5th year, if he is a bust, then why do you want him to be here for a 5th year.
Early in the season Rahmir was the third option with Wandale at WR with some carries at RB. They upped Wandale’s reps and then he got hurt. Then Mo goes AWOL. He’s the #2 now and should play the requisite carries. He might be one injury from starting.
Yeah but it should have been that way from the start of the season and there's a better chance that Wandale Robinson isn't injured right now and not having any kind of experienced playmaker at running back over halfway into the season. It wasn't a secret that our running back depth could be spotty this year.
Our entire offensive line sucks. I don't think any of them are really worse than the others.
I can't really put up an argument other than Benhart looking pretty light in the *** for a P5 OL. For the sake of my sanity I have a need to believe that coaches don't play other guys because the other guy is somehow better...but I dunno how much worse you can do than some of the line play we've seen.