Wait - Roy Williams turned down MSU?

[57stratdawg]

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[00Dawg]

Hmmm....

So a guy coaching in North Carolina in 1986 was put off by the Mississippi state flag, and this comes out in his 2009 autobiography? Color me skeptical.

Meanwhile, we're gonna need the names of those two students.

 

[She Mate Me]

So a guy coaching in North Carolina in 1986 was put off by the Mississippi state flag, and this comes out in his 2009 autobiography? Color me skeptical.

Meanwhile, we're gonna need the names of those two students.

Chapel Hill is not like other parts of NC.

 

[patdog]

Yeah. The flag is an issue now, but I can't imagine it was something that he would have even noticed 30 years ago. The fact is, our basketball job was seen as so bad that we couldn't get anyone to kill their career by taking it. We had to give the job to an assistant coach that even those of us who actually went to the ball games had never heard of. It worked out pretty well for us.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I'm with you.

That flag "issue" in 1986 is BS, and him just grandstanding (in a sense).

 

[Maroon Eagle]

There's a reason why it is sometimes called the People's Republic of Chapel Hill.

 

[The Peeper]

I can't imagine basing an employment decision on what 2 students said that may or may not be true either.

 

[catvet]

The flag was important to Roy. He and his mentor Dean Smith were always very liberal on social issues and Civil Rights were in the forefront. It had nothing to do with a Mississippi issue, but a point of view issue they had always cared about.

 

[Sounder68]

I don't know if this is true... but I've heard from a couple of different people over the years that Larry Brown turned down the MSU job before we hired Bob Boyd.

And didn't Steve Spurrier turn down the MSU job when we hired Felker?

There's probably a whole thread of "what could have beens" on that front.

 

[dorndawg]

Wait, some of yall don't think it possible a white man opposed the racism of the confederate flag in 1986? No wonder we can't have nice things

 

[Maroon Eagle]

This is true.

As an aside, when my aunt and uncle were graduate students at Chapel Hill, they attended the same church as Coach Smith. About twenty years ago, my cousin arranged for Coach Smith to autograph a basketball for them as a Christmas present. My cousin is an Indiana alum and my aunt and uncle arranged a similarly autographed basketball by Bob Knight for her.

 

[00Dawg]

Possibly opposed isn't the point.

Felt strongly enough about it that it was 50% of his decision-making process in turning down a 263%* raise and a chance to be in a position of leadership for a program that took a historic stance on the matter 23 years earlier? That's what I'm questioning. If he turned down equal opportunities at a school in Georgia or South Carolina, I'll buy it outright (Google's modern search algorithms aren't much help on those possibilities).

Is it possible Roy Williams has been a crusader for civil rights and it just never pinged on the public radar until the last decade? Sure. It just seems unlikely.


*Thanks, Rocket

 

[dorndawg]

You don't have to be a civil rights crusader to oppose state-sanctioned racism. Over the years, I imagine it's kept more than just Roy from accepting an offer to work in Mississippi.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

one must be a "crusader for civil rights" in order to be turned off enough to not want to take a job where it might just last his entire career (especially when he's on the front end of it at the time).

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Like a bee to honey...

 

[RocketDawg]

Felt strongly enough about it that it was 50% of his decision-making process in turning down a 300%+ raise and a chance to be in a position of leadership for a program that took a historic stance on the matter 30 years earlier? That's what I'm questioning. If he turned down equal opportunities at a school in Georgia or South Carolina, I'll buy it outright (Google's modern search algorithms aren't much help on those possibilities).

Is it possible Roy Williams has been a crusader for civil rights and it just never pinged on the public radar until the last decade? Sure. It just seems unlikely.

Actually only a 263% raise .... **

 

[patdog]

I think it's possible Mississippi's racial history may have had a part in his decision not to take the job, especially since the worst of it was a lot more recent then than it is now. But I highly doubt the state flag specifically would have been much of a factor. I think he's just telling the story in the way he thinks will sound best today.

Edit: And there's few people who want us to get rid of that outdated, ugly, racist flag than I do. I just don't think it was an issue that had even risen to the point anyone would have thought about it 30 years ago.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Dorndawg social justice comprehension fail*

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[dorndawg]

I can buy this.

 

[dorndawg]

Livin' rent free...

 

[johnson86-1]

nm

 

[Wizard of bulldogery]

wait a minute... who doesn't like the white flag with the bulldog on it? everybody loves that flag. must have had us confused with TSUN and their stars and bars

 

[paindonthurt_]

It’s time for the flag to go, but it’s no more racist than a Malcom X hat or shirt.

But yes it’s time for the flag to go so people will find something else to ***** abt. I’m tired of hearing abt the flag.

 

[FlotownDawg]

I believe Spurrier wanted the job, as he currently didn't have one (he was coach of the USFL's Tampa Bay Bandits and the league had just folded) but we chose not to hire him because we thought he would only be at State for a couple of years until the Florida job opened up. So we went with the guy who we knew would stay long-term, Felker.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Says the triggered, beta*

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[fang]

don’t know what’s worse, the flag, the SJW’s who’ve learned to be offended, or those that use it as a crutch.

I’m past tired of the flag, and I’m past tired of folks like Mr Williams taking opportunity to grandstand with it.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Agreed. On all accounts.

You can’t support the heritage and tradition of the flag and not be a racist.

You can support Donald trump and not be a racist.

You can support Donald trump and know that he sometimes says some off the wall crap.

Everyone on every side needs to learn to listen and research all the facts with an open mind.

 

[dogfan96]

Lotta closeted racists on this board

 

[mstateglfr]

Truth.

I cant keep up in who is baiting whom at this point. Its posters apparently trolling while sounding genuine but revealing later in sub posts.
17 it.

 

[paindonthurt_]

What makes you think I’m a racist?

 

[paindonthurt_]

I’m a republican sort of.
I’m conservative in values but more moderate when it comes to change and spending as long as its logical.

If you think I’m racist, you’re the prOblem.

 

[Apoplectic_Objurgator]

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In the words of T McCowan: “That’s BULLLLSHIT!!”

 

[mstateglfr]

I’m a republican sort of.
I’m conservative in values but more moderate when it comes to change and spending as long as its logical.

If you think I’m racist, you’re the prOblem.

I didnt say anything about you.

 

[5049]

Everyone on every side needs to learn to listen and research all the facts with an open mind.

The truth runs contrary to the advantage that is gained by pushing identity politics. You should know this by now. The truth is the farthest thing from the mind of a leftist.

 

[HumpDawgy]

Whatever the case, it ended up pretty well for him.

 

[patdog]

Get rid of it and all problems solved. And it doesn't take a SJW to be offended by what the confederate flag stands for.

 

[KurtRambis4]

So someone is

racist because they believe Roy may be using this for other, foul reasons?

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

What’s th 17ing point of a state flag anyway? I don’t give two ***** if our state flag has a purple ***** on it, it’s serves no 17ing purpose. I don’t give a **** about historical significance from either side of the fence, state flags are 17ing pointless.

 

[mstateglfr]

What’s th 17ing point of a state flag anyway? I don’t give two ***** if our state flag has a purple ***** on it, it’s serves no 17ing purpose.

One could argue that a flag with a purple ***** in fact does have a 17ing purpose.

 

[paindonthurt_]

That’s the problem. It won’t stop there.

It will never stop.