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Where's the Mullen stuff coming from?
Actual quotes from Lewis or Jones? Or just speculation / commentary put out by OM's representation?
Trying to combine what is factually known with what Mullen's motivation would be. Think about it from his perspective. NCAA comes knocking on door with partial immunity offer to Lewis. What is Mullen's best move? Assuming the worst on our side, simply make sure Lewis is represented with a decent attorney that won't let him comment on anything related to MSU and beyond the scope of his limited immunity. That's it. His motivation should be preserving eligibility of his player and the NCAA teed that up. Maneuvering to bring down a rival using a student athlete is a high risk career ending move. I know OM people think he's desperate enough to do that but take a step back and think if that passes the smell test. Not even close.
Has Lewis said anything about his interaction with MSUs or other boosters? I don't know, that's all narrative from OMs side at this point, but still wouldn't change my opinion that Mullens involvement should have been limited and the NCAA approach to our side presented little risk if handled correctly. If Lewis actually admitted to taking money from our boosters, which I doubt at the moment, it just means our side sent Lewis in with dumb *** representation - and that requires a separate expletive filled rant.
Actual quotes from Lewis or Jones? Or just speculation / commentary put out by OM's representation?
Trying to combine what is factually known with what Mullen's motivation would be. Think about it from his perspective. NCAA comes knocking on door with partial immunity offer to Lewis. What is Mullen's best move? Assuming the worst on our side, simply make sure Lewis is represented with a decent attorney that won't let him comment on anything related to MSU and beyond the scope of his limited immunity. That's it. His motivation should be preserving eligibility of his player and the NCAA teed that up. Maneuvering to bring down a rival using a student athlete is a high risk career ending move. I know OM people think he's desperate enough to do that but take a step back and think if that passes the smell test. Not even close.
Has Lewis said anything about his interaction with MSUs or other boosters? I don't know, that's all narrative from OMs side at this point, but still wouldn't change my opinion that Mullens involvement should have been limited and the NCAA approach to our side presented little risk if handled correctly. If Lewis actually admitted to taking money from our boosters, which I doubt at the moment, it just means our side sent Lewis in with dumb *** representation - and that requires a separate expletive filled rant.
Read another topic on there a couple days ago and out of the blue they called Mutt the biggest homophobe on the internet. I'd post a link but I can't remember the topic but I'd bet it's still on the front page as they only have about 8 people posting on that circle jerk in the grove.
They are a bunch of idiots. They're gonna be a collection of Roy McLains for the next few years.
I 100% agree. i like to assume that he knows nothing about any shady deals. maybe the wool has been pulled over my eyes, i don't care.
I wish I had a photo of Freeze the week leading up to the Egg Bowl. That's the face of a guy who knows bad news is coming, the end is nigh. Stress shows in your face, and can make you act bitter and angry.
Have you seen Dan lately? The guy looks like he just came back from a month in Jamaica.
Everyting is irie, mon.
Have you seen Dan lately? The guy looks like he just came back from a month in Jamaica.
Everyting is irie, mon.
TBagger
28 Aug 2017, 14:04 #1
I don't recall many coaches being around long enough to get caught cheating twice at the same school, but am sure none have ever been caught the second time while still on probation from the first.
This seems like it is going to end really badly for him. Is there a penalty matrix for that? Does he get a show cause?
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Hey Nutbag look at your former coach to see what happens when you get busted for cheating twice.
Reality sucks doesn't it....keep dreaming.
28 Aug 2017, 14:04 #1
I don't recall many coaches being around long enough to get caught cheating twice at the same school, but am sure none have ever been caught the second time while still on probation from the first.
This seems like it is going to end really badly for him. Is there a penalty matrix for that? Does he get a show cause?
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Hey Nutbag look at your former coach to see what happens when you get busted for cheating twice.
Reality sucks doesn't it....keep dreaming.
He wasn't caught for cheating the first time. He caught a coach cheating, and fired him. But facts mean nothing to these idiots.
It's amazing how two
different groups can read the same information, and come away with two completely different interpretations.
How can any om fans read any information from their talking heads and give it any credit, at this point?
They've been lied to over and over and over again, by the same people that they are continuing to follow.
At some point, don't they wake up?
different groups can read the same information, and come away with two completely different interpretations.
How can any om fans read any information from their talking heads and give it any credit, at this point?
They've been lied to over and over and over again, by the same people that they are continuing to follow.
At some point, don't they wake up?
If I remember correctly, Mirando was fired BEFORE it became a public
spectacle. Mullen handled the problem before those involved were outed and before he could be backed into a corner and forced to do something only as an obvious and desperate move after the fact.
Two polar opposite strategies for crisis management... the right way, and the Ole Miss way.
spectacle. Mullen handled the problem before those involved were outed and before he could be backed into a corner and forced to do something only as an obvious and desperate move after the fact.
Two polar opposite strategies for crisis management... the right way, and the Ole Miss way.
I think Dan was seeing just how much he was up against with the Ole Miss cheating machine. Think about it, over the past 5 years we've only scratched the surface of just how much cheating had (and continues) to go on over there.
Ole Miss has for years had the comfort of the states largest newspaper being in their back pocket. I know it's a long-running joke about the Clarion Ledger bias here... jumping on any negative MSU news while doing the exact opposite whenever Ole Miss was concerned. But it has to be rough when you know you're always being portrayed in a certain light by your local media. All too telling where their loyalties lie.
We learned about how they fabricated twitter accounts to sweet talk recruits. And while that's probably not in violation of any laws or NCAA regulations, it's completely unethical if not downright creepy. Just ask the poor girl whose identity they stole to masquerade under during all of that activity.
The NCAA (not a part of the good ol boy network) uncovered multiple connections between boosters providing free transportation, meals, rooms, merchandise for recruits. Not only was it provided free of charge, it was coordinated by coaches being in near constant contact with these boosters during recruiting weekends. There's no reason a coach should be making multiple contacts with boosters during that time unless it was to ensure recruits were 'taken care of' while in town.
Impermissible contact, free loaner cars, bags of cash, rogue coaches, phones paid for by 3rd party entities to shield against FOIA requests, boosters contact being conducted in practice facilities and coordinated off campus meetings. All the while shrugging your shoulders and claiming "everybody does it". I sincerely hope they get what they deserve and that program craters so deep it never sees the light of day again.
When you have the media, judiciary and legislature all majority populated by Ole Miss products, you wind up where we are. So yeah, I'm sure Dan has been fighting against that current for a while now.
Ole Miss has for years had the comfort of the states largest newspaper being in their back pocket. I know it's a long-running joke about the Clarion Ledger bias here... jumping on any negative MSU news while doing the exact opposite whenever Ole Miss was concerned. But it has to be rough when you know you're always being portrayed in a certain light by your local media. All too telling where their loyalties lie.
We learned about how they fabricated twitter accounts to sweet talk recruits. And while that's probably not in violation of any laws or NCAA regulations, it's completely unethical if not downright creepy. Just ask the poor girl whose identity they stole to masquerade under during all of that activity.
The NCAA (not a part of the good ol boy network) uncovered multiple connections between boosters providing free transportation, meals, rooms, merchandise for recruits. Not only was it provided free of charge, it was coordinated by coaches being in near constant contact with these boosters during recruiting weekends. There's no reason a coach should be making multiple contacts with boosters during that time unless it was to ensure recruits were 'taken care of' while in town.
Impermissible contact, free loaner cars, bags of cash, rogue coaches, phones paid for by 3rd party entities to shield against FOIA requests, boosters contact being conducted in practice facilities and coordinated off campus meetings. All the while shrugging your shoulders and claiming "everybody does it". I sincerely hope they get what they deserve and that program craters so deep it never sees the light of day again.
When you have the media, judiciary and legislature all majority populated by Ole Miss products, you wind up where we are. So yeah, I'm sure Dan has been fighting against that current for a while now.
Ha....they are definitely watching the same screen as us and seeing a different movie. Love Adams' blog.
Did he even catch a coach cheating? I remember it as Mullen catching a coach with knowledge of cheating going on that failed to report said cheating, rather than being directly involved in it.
ETA: This is correct, per the report in the following post.
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Allow me help. I know that guy is far too stupid to understand and it is a waste of my time, but...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...ippi-state-for-recruiting-violations/2400367/
Mississippi State was slapped with two years probation and docked a few football scholarships Friday for major rule violations involving a booster, an assistant football coach and a prized recruit.
But the school escaped more severe penalties, according to Britton Banowsky, chairman of the NCAA Committee on Infractions, in part because of its proactive cooperation in the case.
The NCAA essentially accepted the school's self-imposed penalties, including a reduction of two scholarships in 2012-13 and 2013-14; fewer official visits by recruits in 2012-13 and 2013-14; fewer off-campus recruiting opportunities by coaches in 2012-13; and no complimentary admissions for recruits during the Bulldogs' first two conference home games next season.
The most severe penalty was a one-year "show-cause" order on former Mississippi State receivers coach Angelo Mirando, who was found guilty of unethical conduct. A show-cause order essentially functions as an employment ban.
Although Banowsky, who also is commissioner of Conference USA, called it "a serious case," harsher sanctions such as a bowl ban weren't considered because the case was "narrow in scope" and because of the school's cooperation. He praised Mississippi State for its aggressive internal investigation.
"The university did a great job once they became aware of (the violations), of taking necessary action once they found the scope and severity of the problem and then owning up to it when they got to the hearing (with the Committee on Infractions in April)," Banowsky said, adding, "We wanted to go out of our way to let folks know we were very appreciative of the way the university responded. That's how it should be."
The case became public last August, with the sudden resignation of Mirando and subsequent allegations that Robert Denton Herring, a Mississippi State alumnus, had provided cash and gifts to Will Redmond, a highly recruited defensive back from Memphis. NCAA rules prohibit boosters from contact with recruits.
According to the infractions report, the NCAA found that Herring and Redmond exchanged 117 phone calls over a period of several months in 2011 and early 2012, as Mississippi State was recruiting Redmond. The NCAA said Herring provided Redmond with a jacket, a credit card and cash, and that he secured a $2,000 discount on a car for Redmond.
The report also said: "Prior to taking an official visit to a different university, (Herring) told the recruit that if he did not take the visit, the recruit would be paid $6,000."
Redmond signed with Mississippi State in February 2012. He was ineligible last season and will be ineligible for the first five games next fall. He re-paid $2,660 in impermissible benefits.
Mississippi State formally "disassociated" Herring after learning of the allegations.
The NCAA found Mirando knew of the violations but did not report them to the school or the NCAA. According to the report, Mirando denied knowledge in two interviews with school officials and NCAA investigators, leading to the charge of unethical conduct and the "show-cause" order.
Even that penalty was mitigated, Banowsky said, because of Mirando's subsequent cooperation with investigators – he admitted to the transgressions a month after his resignation – and his participation in the school's hearing with the infractions committee. Banowsky said the committee was impressed that Mirando, who could not have been compelled to attend, paid his own way to participate.
Mirando is coaching at Ave Maria University, an NAIA school. The show-cause order, which only applies to NCAA schools, began Friday and runs through June 6, 2014.
"He was very, very forthright in the hearing and took responsibility for his actions," Banowsky said. "We thought that was mitigating."
"Had he not assisted the committee…the period of the show-cause would have been longer," the report said.
Through an attorney, Mirando issued an apology "to Mississippi State University, to the NCAA, and to his family."
"Angelo has spent a great deal of time reflecting on this matter," attorney Jay Perry said in a statement. "Specifically he understands that just because he did not encourage, direct or even have contemporaneous knowledge of any improper contact or impermissible benefits, he still had a duty to report it as soon as he learned about the former booster's wrongdoing."
No other Mississippi State officials, including head coach Dan Mullen, were implicated. In a release, Mississippi State officials said they will not appeal the NCAA's decision.
"We're pleased the Committee on Infractions accepted our self-imposed actions and Mississippi State's full cooperation," athletic director Scott Stricklin said in a statement released by the school. "Mississippi State has worked hard to create a culture of compliance focused on being proactive and diligent. Our university worked closely with the NCAA enforcement staff to determine all the facts of the situation and then took necessary steps to protect our school."
Semantics. Technically you are right. My point is that it was caught, self-reported, and swift action was taken. If it had been Ole Miss, they would have just falsified a report to their compliance office and moved on.
Right. Semantics. The optics change positively for us in my clarification, which was the only reason I bothered. Mirando was fired and got a one year show cause because he knew a booster was talking to a recruit. While Hugh Freeze literally had the boosters hanging out at the football complex.
O/U at 7.5 show causes for a total of 40 years in this deal...
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Here it is
I misquoted them, it was biggest homophobe in the state of MS, and it was the 3rd post in that topic
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ETA: and the SPED post accusing him of being a "homophobe"? Please. Mutt the Hoople is the biggest homophobe in the state of MS and displays it on a regular basis on BOTH boards. And he's hardly alone."
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/nafoom/dayum-godfrey-t60743.html?sid=47ba2185046d03610c401dd713fdb4ba
I misquoted them, it was biggest homophobe in the state of MS, and it was the 3rd post in that topic
"
ETA: and the SPED post accusing him of being a "homophobe"? Please. Mutt the Hoople is the biggest homophobe in the state of MS and displays it on a regular basis on BOTH boards. And he's hardly alone."
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/nafoom/dayum-godfrey-t60743.html?sid=47ba2185046d03610c401dd713fdb4ba
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