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Gocatsgo2003

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I have little doubt winning helps to put butts in the seats. However, our fan base has always been "very calm" compared to other B1G fans, even when we have been in the midst of seasons with 8,9 or 10 wins and more of them actually show up.

Coming off a ten win season, my fellow fans in the stands almost put me to sleep in the first half of the home opener against Western Michigan.

Our fans are just inherently calm and quiet. They ALWAYS have been, and they likely will continue to be for the foreseeable future. I don't care if there's a zero win season or a twelve win season.

The typical Wisconsin fan cheering for his 4-8 Badger team will still make more noise than a typical Northwestern fan cheering for his 9-3 team. That's just the way it has been and likely will be for the foreseeable future.

Agree 100%.
 

MrCat95

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Pretty sick and pretty NU that the criticism (even by some who played) falls on those who actually give a **** enough to show up (not behaving in the loud and animated way that I guess people want them to behave). What about all of the asswipes who can't seem to show up to use their seats (or who blow them out on stubhub) and their precious parking passes? I have been to all of the B10 venues and many others. The hardcore fan base all behaves pretty much the same. More of them for many other programs but that's not my fault.

I'm not being critical. No, the quiet fans who show up aren't the asswipes, but they are EXTREMELY low energy. I'm just describing our collective fans as they are. There's nothing evil about being low energy. However, it would be helpful to creating a home field advantage if our fan base did show a little more life.
 

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I have little doubt winning helps to put butts in the seats. However, our fan base has always been "very calm" compared to other B1G fans, even when we have been in the midst of seasons with 8,9 or 10 wins and more of them actually show up.

Coming off a ten win season, my fellow fans in the stands almost put me to sleep in the first half of the home opener against Western Michigan.

Our fans are just inherently calm and quiet. They ALWAYS have been, and they likely will continue to be for the foreseeable future. I don't care if there's a zero win season or a twelve win season.

The typical Wisconsin fan cheering for his 4-8 Badger team will still make more noise than a typical Northwestern fan cheering for his 9-3 team. That's just the way it has been and likely will be for the foreseeable future.
That's because the Wisconsin fan has been drinking beer since 6:00am.
 

MrCat95

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... you're kind of, sort of making his point for him...

Exactly... Our typical fan is more mature and well-behaved. That's great in some ways, but also means they come off "low energy."

"If my team isn't playing all that well early in the game, at least I brought today's New York Times with me."

- Something only an NU football fan might be overheard saying.
 

MrCat95

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Maybe I'm overemphasizing this point. There are plenty of state schools that can draw larger, enthusiastic crowds and their program is still mediocre, so its not a magic bullet. But I often wonder if this program had a rabid fan base that could at least fill Dyche Stadium, how much further along we'd be. I hate to talk negatively about the program like this on the board, but we also can't just ignore these things. Besides, this discussion is buried in a thread entitled Vegas Line so hopefully no recruits or families will find it.

It certainly wouldn't hurt, but our recruits choose NU over schools with larger and more rabid fan bases all the time. They do it for the other reasons that are 100 times more important that we talk about here all the time.

NU has a certain niche brand, and we have a hell of a lot to offer to the person who is the right fit. OSU has a certain perhaps broader brand, and they no doubt have a lot to offer as well. They're just different things. NU's not going to suddenly start beating OSU for kids inclined to go there because our fan base got larger or more rabid.
 
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My son had plenty of offers with big fan bases. Some schools didn't offer because we told them he wouldn't go to the West coast. I guess everyone picks schools for different reasons. Jango and I loved NU, and it was my dream school for my son. He was a 4.26 student, but still could never have gotten in NU without football. The facilities , stadium, and fan support had nothing to do with our choice. It came down to character of coaches, players, and families we met. It was because we both believe we will win a B1G . Jango and I loved the strength coaches and felt like they would develop him into the best player he could be. We felt like Fitz held his players to a high standard on and off the field. No other school offers what NU does. Recruits and parents are getting smarter about recruiting and picking schools. Players who work their butts off to qualify academically to go to Northwestern are and will more and more chose NU over high profile football factories. I am not going to say many kids are not sucked into the lure of big stadiums and fan bases, I prefer the kid who wants to work and has a chip on his shoulder. I love the kids we have at NU and the families. All coaches say they are family oriented, Fitz means it. We are a family. Our coaches, players, fans, and parents all buy in. Do we get disappointed when we under perform ? of course we do. But at the end of the day we band together and do what we need to do to right the ship. I am proud my son is a Wildcat, and he is extremely happy with his choice. He is excelling at NU . His strength coaches are helping him make amazing gains, his position coach is very positive and supportive,Hanks is the best DC in the B1G, and Fitz and his support staff are amazing. Our AD and President fully support our program, and the small amount of fans we have are passionate. We are going to WIN. Our program is going to continue to show improvement. We have the right staff at every position. We are going to stumble, you are family, be there to help lift us up. Our kids wont embarrass you or your University on or off the field. We are all proud to wear purple and to represent such a great University. By the way, we were pretty loud and proud at MSU.
Great to hear. I always appreciate your input. I think a lot of posters take for granted that Fitz and his staff work really hard to develop young men and not just win football games. I think they are good at both. I am guessing it's the exception and not the rule in college football. And I agree that the NU contingent at the MSU game did a nice job of supporting the team. It was a lot of fun and I thought the MSU fans were great as well. I have been very critical of our crowds lately so let's hope that more folks come out for homecoming and bring some enthusiasm.
 
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Great to hear. I always appreciate your input. I think a lot of posters take for granted that Fitz and his staff work really hard to develop young men and not just win football games. I think they are good at both. I am guessing it's the exception and not the rule in college football. And I agree that the NU contingent at the MSU game did a nice job of supporting the team. It was a lot of fun and I thought the MSU fans were great as well. I have been very critical of our crowds lately so let's hope that more folks come out for homecoming and bring some enthusiasm.
It was a very fun game. MSU fans are usually very good. Looking forward to this game against Indiana. I respect their coaches and program. See you all this Saturday
 

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I'm not being critical. No, the quiet fans who show up aren't the asswipes, but they are EXTREMELY low energy. I'm just describing our collective fans as they are. There's nothing evil about being low energy. However, it would be helpful to creating a home field advantage if our fan base did show a little more life.
Ryan Field doesn't help with the fans energy. You aren't all that close to the field. Its a pretty gradual rake of stands. Its probably larger than it should be for the crowd. One side looks like a big high school stadium seating.

I like to think that if we had a field that was never designed to have a track around it, and made it A LOT more intimate. It would be much more rowdy and fun.
 

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It certainly wouldn't hurt, but our recruits choose NU over schools with larger and more rabid fan bases all the time. They do it for the other reasons that are 100 times more important that we talk about here all the time.

NU has a certain niche brand, and we have a hell of a lot to offer to the person who is the right fit. OSU has a certain perhaps broader brand, and they no doubt have a lot to offer as well. They're just different things. NU's not going to suddenly start beating OSU for kids inclined to go there because our fan base got larger or more rabid.

I'm glad to hear that NU players choose NU for it's substantial offerings that don't include a rabid fan base. Proud to cheer for a team built on academics and character etc. but that doesn't change the fact that fan enthusiasm matters and all of us need to do what we can to pump up enthusiasm. Many fans are already doing this but I don't think we all live into the importance of the part we play.

Even away from the stadium, wearing NU gear, welcoming new commits on the board and twitter. We should make more noise and encourage those around us.
 

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They used to be pretty terrible, but our students have really improved over the past decade or so and are actually quite good these days IMO. Given our small enrollment, the student turnout at games is quite fabulous as well. The only problem with our student section is there aren't enough actual students. Keep in mind that Ohio State has ~65,000 students. Wisconsin has ~43,000 of them. Northwestern only has about 8,300 students. If we cloned each student ~8 (for OSU) or ~5 (for UW) times, I think our students would be every bit as loud and terrific as those other schools. I have little doubt that NU gets a much higher turnout as a percentage of the student body as either of those two places.

Without the students, I could hear Fitz fart on the sideline from my Wildcat Den seats under the press box. They're the best thing our crowd has going for it by a mile.
Actually our market penetration is pretty good for both season tickets and students. Only 30K or fewer local undergrad alums and 8300 undergrad students and we have a base crowd of 30K with 12-15k ST and several thousand students. One problem we have is that students are not even back for the first two to three games.
 

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Actually our market penetration is pretty good for both season tickets and students. Only 30K or fewer local undergrad alums and 8300 undergrad students and we have a base crowd of 30K with 12-15k ST and several thousand students. One problem we have is that students are not even back for the first two to three games.
Also, it is a grind for these students. Many have to decide between taking the time to go to a game and studying. Considering the work load of these students , I appreciate any of them that sacrifice valuable free time, and or study time to come out and support our team. I was impressed with our fans at MSU. We were loud and had fun supporting our Wildcats.
 
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