Btw, McNamara is just one of a million examples of guy sitting on bench who was better than starter who had been mostly underwhelming and costing them wins (Milton). Do UM fans now look back and "trust Harbaugh to make the right decision on who to start?" Lol. But I digress.
Vedral's Last Stand?
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lol. Where did you play sports ? Scils intramurals. You should at least own up to being wrong . That credibility goes a long way . Well, I am hardly wrong. Scils check it out . Let me educate you on how you tell people here how it is in the Legendary thread I pasted and started . That’s why I got more credibility than anyone . You have been dismissed
Man you are something else Mr. Moral Victory guy. Wrong? I've been proved 100% right so far. You're happy we're 1-4 when we should be 3-2? I got news for you - It won't be getting any easier the rest of this year and next year for us so we better start winning some games against average and below-average teams that we have the lead against. Will you be continuing to post on here after the Purdue game? I look forward it!
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Moral victories are fine and can be appreciated when you admit how horrible we were last year.
Dude ...you’re wrong . And this is coming from a guy that is hated on this board and on many ignore lists because I keep saying we don’t win enough !
Just wondering. What is it in Art's history that makes you think he would be better? With Art in there it takes away the option of the QB running.
Did the kid play well against Michigan? He did. He ran an offense that put 42 points on the board. How can you not be satisfied with that?
It's ok to say I was wrong. We all are on occasion. Nothing to be embarrassed about.
Did the kid play well against Michigan? He did. He ran an offense that put 42 points on the board. How can you not be satisfied with that?
It's ok to say I was wrong. We all are on occasion. Nothing to be embarrassed about.
Absolutely correct!!!!!
Didn't we score 25
Which of Noah's turnovers led to points by the Michigan offense???
Wrong about what? We're 1-4 and our QB leads the conference in turnovers. We have a decent team and should be 3-2 or at worst 2-3. "But his stats we're good against Michigan" is what losers say. He's been lousy or underwhelming during the four other games. We can agree to disagree. Please come back and post after the Purdue game and we can talk more.
Did he play well against Michigan? That loss is not on him. The guy directed an offense that put up 42 points and nearly 500 yards. I'll ask you again, which of Noah's TOs led to any Michigan points? IMHO we have no one on our current roster who could have played the position better last Saturday. I'll concede that he played lousy against Illinois if you'll concede he played well against Michigan.
But again I ask what has Art done in the past that makes you think he'd be better?
Do we need an upgrade at the position? Yes. We haven't had a decent QB since Nova.
But again I put more trust in the judgement of our coaching staff then message board posters.
I have made it very clear that I'm not a moral victory guy. We're 1-4 and as Parcells use to say you are what your record says you are. But right now on this date, it may change Sunday, QB is not the #1 problem on this team. It's lack of depth and our poor DB play.
But Vedral is third in the league in total offense, behind Penix and Fields. That's pretty good company.
And Vedral's turnover rate does not lead the league. You have to consider the number of INTs per passing attempt.
Vedral has fewer INTs per attempt than:
McCaffrey 1 INT/13 attempts
Lombardi 1 INT/17 attempts
Clifford 1 INT/19 attempts
Tagovailoa 1 INT/21.5 attempts
Vedral 1 INT/21.6 attempts
Dont even bother anymore. The kid go 33-35, 500, 6 TDs and he'll get blamed for a loss because he didnt throw for 600. It's like that even Dumber red hat vs Blue hat argument that no one will ever change their mind from.
Why are you all responding to this guy? You're just playing his game. Let him post and respond to himself.
Exactly, someone just asked him what in Art's history makes him think Art will be better than Noah and his whole response avoided that question. He's got nothing other than Art has a stronger arm and coaches make mistakes as his argument...lol.
Numbers,
Great data but how does this reflect on Verdal's performance?
Great data but how does this reflect on Verdal's performance?
Are you throwing a flag on numbers for a facemask penalty?Numbers,
Great data but how does this reflect on Verdal's performance?
When I read some of Numbers posts, my head starts to hurt.
He loses me when he starts talking about monoclonal antibodies.
I guess #s is picking up the slack and trying to revive this thread and change its direction as the OP has gone missing since Saturday.
Although #s is wrong here just like the OP's view on Indiana. Calling CP just another plasma is ridiculous. It's a top 20 plasma!
Although #s is wrong here just like the OP's view on Indiana. Calling CP just another plasma is ridiculous. It's a top 20 plasma!
Without starting a whole new argument, I think I see #s strategy here. I think it's a good one, if im right lol.
Looks like #'s got started a little early on the holiday festivities!
Tica, you plan on posting your thoughts after the Purdue game and at the end of the season? According to you QB isn't an important position and has no factor on w's and l's. You also got clowned by me when I brought up the McNamara example. Game over. Talk to you after Purdue. Keep stalkin' with your loser moral victory mentality. We're not a bad team and we are better than 1-4.Dont even bother anymore. The kid go 33-35, 500, 6 TDs and he'll get blamed for a loss because he didnt throw for 600. It's like that even Dumber red hat vs Blue hat argument that no one will ever change their mind from.
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Lol ok genius, that's not good enough then how about what happened right in front of your face with Harbaugh and Michigan. Milton was finally yanked and McNamara looked like Joe Montana. Yet, a QB that's 1-4 and leads the league is the most important stat for a QB (turnovers) is not at fault for anything.
This is quite the spin. You work in politics, shifty? It's like saying a RB has a better fumbles per attempt ratio even though he had more fumbles that changed the game and led to losses. He still leads the lead in turnovers which I'm not sure if you are aware is the most critical thing you have to avoid as a QB. Ask any coach.
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Lol ok genius, that's not good enough then how about what happened right in front of your face with Harbaugh and Michigan. Milton was finally yanked and McNamara looked like Joe Montana. Yet, a QB that's 1-4 and leads the league is the most important stat for a QB (turnovers) is not at fault for anything.
Soooooo... Your logic is that McNamara replaces Milton because Milton was horrendous equates to having Art replacing Noah because the team is only generating a little under 500 yards in total offense in the game?
If want to make an argument for replacing the guy during the Illinois game OK, but after his last game you want to bench him? Now who knows maybe he stinks the place up vs.Purdue but I'm still trying to see how the Michigan game is his fault. You keep taking about turnovers and I asked earlier how many of Michigan's 48 points last week were the result of a Noah Verdal turnover?
Again after Illinois you may have had a point but not now.
Lol ok genius, that's not good enough then how about what happened right in front of your face with Harbaugh and Michigan. Milton was finally yanked and McNamara looked like Joe Montana. Yet, a QB that's 1-4 and leads the league is the most important stat for a QB (turnovers) is not at fault for anything.
Art does not equal McNamara by any stretch of the imagination. McNamara exhibited all the things that Art lacks in the face of pressure.
Noah isn't perfect by any means but Art is a flawed player that needs a lot of work to make him viable as a starter.
Maybe you should find another topic other than Art & Indiana. These haven't gone so well except in your delusional mind.
No delusional is thinking Vedral is a good option for us even though he is 1-4 and leads the league in turnovers. You have a huge losers mentality if you think that's acceptable. Again, with even average QB play we'd be 2-3 or 3-2. Look forward to your posts after Purdue. Have a great holiday!
Ok I’ll ask one more time. How is the Michigan loss on Vedral? You just said “with average QB play we’d be 2-3 or 3-2.”
Do you think the way the kid played Saturday was below average? And before you tell me that he leads the league in TOS, I got that, I’ll ask for at least the third time which Noah Vedral turnover led to even one of UM’s 48 points?
Oh crap. The clown is back. I thought #s took over this thread! Lol
Anyway he has never answered anyones question directly. It's who did Indiana beat. And now since he lost that battle he is back on Vedral case. It's almost like he never watched any of Saturday's game.
Only going to do this once. I dont respond to asshats who dont respect me, by calling me out of my name. You want to have a civil conversation, respect me the same way I respect you... and no disagreeing with someone doesnt constitutes disrespect. Until then, I wont even wipe my *** with your trolling comments since they're that irrelevant.
Good day, sir.
Surprised he is back. To go a crushing 0-2 last Saturday a smart person would either hide for awhile or start a new mind boggling rant. But he is right back at it like nothing happened.
Let's be real SCILSy, at least 2 or 3 of those picks were not his fault. E.g., the last desperation throw against Michigan in OT, and the surrender pick against Indiana where the ball would have been turned over on downs anyway.
Some of us look on the bright side of life and see half full glasses, and others are like you, at least when it comes to Vedral.
Anyway, I seriously don't think that the offense is worse (or better) with Sit than Vedral. Schiano said that the preseason competition was close and I believe him. Vedral is better equiped to do what Gleason wants to do with the offense so I have no problems with the decision for him to be the starter.
However, I was unhappy that the coaches left Vedral in the Illinois game when the OL was giving the QB time to throw and Vedral was not playing well at all. This reminded me of the Nova years and the Laviano years when both were playing poorly. Why can't the coaches just give the back up a shot when the starter does not have it? Going forward, if Vedral has another 2 interception game and the OL is giving him time, I feel that Art should be given a chance to try to win the game (if the game is close).
However, if Vedral plays like he did in the Michigan game, he should remain in the game. For now, I am happy that there won't be a huge drop off if Vedral is injured. (Once again, I don't know this but that's how I feel- right or wrong.) There is also no need to rip SCILS because that's his opinion (although I don't agree that the decision to keep Noah as the starter is so black and white).
However, I was unhappy that the coaches left Vedral in the Illinois game when the OL was giving the QB time to throw and Vedral was not playing well at all. This reminded me of the Nova years and the Laviano years when both were playing poorly. Why can't the coaches just give the back up a shot when the starter does not have it? Going forward, if Vedral has another 2 interception game and the OL is giving him time, I feel that Art should be given a chance to try to win the game (if the game is close).
However, if Vedral plays like he did in the Michigan game, he should remain in the game. For now, I am happy that there won't be a huge drop off if Vedral is injured. (Once again, I don't know this but that's how I feel- right or wrong.) There is also no need to rip SCILS because that's his opinion (although I don't agree that the decision to keep Noah as the starter is so black and white).