Veazey's article about our offense...

[dawgstudent]

http://www.commercialappeal.com/new...upon-closer-examination-has/?CID=happeningnow

 

[121Josey]

Simply amazing. Veazey posted 15 tweets directed at Könning. 2 for 16 on 3rd down is also amazing.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

I should have tagged ol Lester on some of mine.

@DawgatAuburn 31 Aug
Gundy went to Google, found an OC making $50k, and he has outscored us in the first half.

@DawgatAuburn 31 Aug
Shocked that the four yard slant on 3rd and 10 didn't work.

@DawgatAuburn 31 Aug
Next time someone mentions our coaches being paid less than their peers, I want you to remember today.

 

[hotdogface]

Follow that article up with today's B&B show, and you really get a good reality check on our team's offensive capabilities. Speaking of which, I would like to give a big "amen" in response to the Brian's rant about the three consecutive dive calls. I have never yelled such venom at Mullen during a game as he got after that 3rd and 8 call. I couldn't decide if he was afraid to try to win or if he was confused and thought he was playing the 2010 Florida Gators.

 

[cmetin]

Follow that article up with today's B&B show, and you really get a good reality check on our team's offensive capabilities. Speaking of which, I would like to give a big "amen" in response to the Brian's rant about the three consecutive dive calls. I have never yelled such venom at Mullen during a game as he got after that 3rd and 8 call. I couldn't decide if he was afraid to try to win or if he was confused and thought he was playing the 2010 Florida Gators.

i agree

 

[57stratdawg]

And the only true way to judge a statistic is in comparing it to the current era, and against teams of similar caliber.


So let’s turn to the resourceful website cfbstats.com and compare State offenses in the Mullen era using SEC-only stats. By that, we mean stats compiled in games only between SEC teams. (No Jackson State or Memphis blowouts to pad the numbers.)

But, but, but, but, that reduce the sample size's effectiveness rating by pieRsquared! Sorry, engie.. I had to..

 

[engie]

But, but, but, but, that reduce the sample size's effectiveness rating by pieRsquared! Sorry, engie.. I had to..

The stats that I have used in the past and got in that argument with you about removed SOS as a factor. We should outscore a bad team by the same amount that our defense holds them below their season average(s). So, they cancel each other out -- and the quality of the opponent does not matter. In reality, over time, it probably skews positive the offense since you can always score more points, but you can't exactly get into negative numbers defensively.

In doing that, I proved -- even last year when everyone was up in arms about the defense -- that the offense was ALREADY a bigger problem for us. All Veazey is doing is confirming what I and others have held all along. The last "hope" I had for this getting better this year with Russell under Les/Mullen/Hev was the news that Mullen would be calling plays. Obviously, that was a faux hope. It's a crying shame we didn't go get Edenfield from Troy last year -- who has had 3 top 20 spread offenses -- 2 with a stationary QB and one with a dual threat.

 

[Maroonthirteen]

Like I posted Saturday, fire coaches, assistants, change QBs and on and on. Mississippi State just doesn't attract enough talent compared to the rest of the conference. Specifically linemen and good QBs are limited commodities and we are way way down the picking order.

Also responding to what Mutt asked, our QBs flame out because of the inconsistent talent surrounding them from year to year. There is nothing in the Starkville water that causes regression.
Russell, if he had Alabamas Oline, he would be doing just fine.

 

[missouridawg]

Like I posted Saturday, fire coaches, assistants, change QBs and on and on. Mississippi State just doesn't attract enough talent compared to the rest of the conference. Specifically linemen and good QBs are limited commodities and we are way way down the picking order.

Also responding to what Mutt asked, our QBs flame out because of the inconsistent talent surrounding them from year to year. There is nothing in the Starkville water that causes regression.
Russell, if he had Alabamas Oline, he would be doing just fine.

Talent wasn't why we got beat by OM, NW, nor OSU.

 

[57stratdawg]

The stats that I have used in the past and got in that argument with you about removed SOS as a factor. We should outscore a bad team by the same amount that our defense holds them below their season average(s). So, they cancel each other out -- and the quality of the opponent does not matter. In reality, over time, it probably skews positive the offense since you can always score more points, but you can't exactly get into negative numbers defensively.

In doing that, I proved -- even last year when everyone was up in arms about the defense -- that the offense was ALREADY a bigger problem for us. All Veazey is doing is confirming what I and others have held all along. The last "hope" I had for this getting better this year with Russell under Les/Mullen/Hev was the news that Mullen would be calling plays. Obviously, that was a faux hope. It's a crying shame we didn't go get Edenfield from Troy last year -- who has had 3 top 20 spread offenses -- 2 with a stationary QB and one with a dual threat.

So, just to recap last year:

Strat's stance:
1) We would fire Wilson because every time our D stepped on the field against a comparable opponent (See Veazy's article) we gave it up like a ***** on speed.
2) Few, if any, offensive changes would be made because Mullen controls basically every aspect of MSU's offense. I believe my quotes were "He's not going to fire himself". Your discontent with MSU's offense is your discontent with Dan Mullen.

engie's stance was:
1) We should fire Keonning because we held Texas AM to their season average in points

Which one of those ended up happening again?

"MAN I'M TIRED OF BEING RIGHT..."

 

[Heawww]

Talent wasn't why we got beat by OM, NW, nor OSU.

I think you might be underestimating those last two teams.

 

[Heawww]

Specifically linemen and good QBs are limited commodities and we are way way down the picking order.

I agree. I think that's why we need to load up on OL every year in recruiting then redshirt them. At the very least, we'll have depth. I'd also add WR to that list of positions that we normally can't bring in exceptional talent.

 

[Heawww]

Let it die. You've been beaten here. You've actually been blown out.

Mullen's offense works. He needs to run the mfer, whether it's with Russell or Prescott. He's like Rich Rod, he's worthless without his offense.

 

[DerHntr]

So will Dan give him another interview?

 

[121Josey]

Talent wasn't why we got beat by OM, NW, nor OSU.

Exactly. And you didn't underestimate them. Talent is nice to have but if you have no perceptive coaches who can exploit mismatches and run a varied offense (see NW and OSU), you're going to lose more than win.

It wasn't talent this weekend when there were a record number of FCS teams beat FBS teams.

 

[Maroonthirteen]

Just because I recall the Egg Bowl the best: their DL whipped our OL in the 2nd half.

Also, it didn't matter who we put on Moncrief or defense called, he got the ball when they threw it his way. Moncrief will be in the NFL too.

But I am sure you guys think that is all because guys who have been coaching for years at a high level, didn't have a clue what to call or who to have in the game.

Also how did the teams perform vs common opponents? Alabama just off the top of my head.