Vandy baseball scholarships
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I think it is because they use endowment money (which they have tons of) to give all their baseball players full scholarships. That plus the ncaa just does not care enough about baseball to enforce their rules. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
It's perfectly legal as far as the NCAA goes. Their opportunity scholarships are available to anyone who is admitted to Vandy. If we could afford to offer the same thing we could too, we can't. The thing y'all can't seem to understand is just how much money Vandy actually has. Pray they don't decide to do it for football.....and that includes Alabama fans. If they decided they wanted too, Texas A&M is the only SEC school that might could match them.
They basically can offer full rides to people whose parents don’t make a lot of money, and it doesn’t count against scholarships. This also means they can give more baseball scholarship money to the people whose parents can afford it
Vandy says: "Advantage? What advantage?"
https://www.anchorofgold.com/2019/5/30/18645077/opportunity-vanderbilt-an-explainer
https://www.anchorofgold.com/2019/5/30/18645077/opportunity-vanderbilt-an-explainer
Whoever wrote that will make an awful lawyer but might have a great future in Congress or state government. That was 1200 words of complete horse ****.
https://www.postandcourier.com/spor...cle_391e1c66-d59b-11ea-8b0c-0393de0a1bfc.html
Also, that article is outdated. Because the rule got changed to allow combining baseball scholarships with other aid, so Vanderbilt now has a huge advantage. It was already big, but it just got a lot bigger. Corbin himself says it’s a big advantage in the article
Edit: Tuition to Vandy is 54,840. 54840 x 11.7 = 641,628 scholarship money this year. They do a financial need analysis to determine how much each player’s parents can afford then subtract that amount from the tuition and the rest gets covered by Opportunity Vanderbilt. Previously you couldn’t combine Opportunity Vanderbilt with baseball money, but with the rule change you can spread the money all around, and given that tuition is so high, you’re almost surely going to give everyone a full ride. Previously they got a full ride without counting against scholarships if their parents couldn’t afford college at all.
Also, that article is outdated. Because the rule got changed to allow combining baseball scholarships with other aid, so Vanderbilt now has a huge advantage. It was already big, but it just got a lot bigger. Corbin himself says it’s a big advantage in the article
Edit: Tuition to Vandy is 54,840. 54840 x 11.7 = 641,628 scholarship money this year. They do a financial need analysis to determine how much each player’s parents can afford then subtract that amount from the tuition and the rest gets covered by Opportunity Vanderbilt. Previously you couldn’t combine Opportunity Vanderbilt with baseball money, but with the rule change you can spread the money all around, and given that tuition is so high, you’re almost surely going to give everyone a full ride. Previously they got a full ride without counting against scholarships if their parents couldn’t afford college at all.
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It’s a huge advantage for Vandy, especially after the recent legislation that allows athletics and academic aid to be combined. Anyone telling you otherwise is either lying to you or delusional.
Does everyone on their baseball team get a free full ride? No not exactly. But no one from Vandy is struggling to pay for school like a lot of our guys do. Which of course makes it easier for them to sign the number 1 class in baseball every year.
Does everyone on their baseball team get a free full ride? No not exactly. But no one from Vandy is struggling to pay for school like a lot of our guys do. Which of course makes it easier for them to sign the number 1 class in baseball every year.
Here is how it breaks down. So many people don't really understand their 'advantage'.
They can only get guys who have the grades to get into Vanderbilt, whatever that is. That's the deal with football too, that's why they are hamstrung there. But in baseball, there's a bigger pool of kids that make the grades, and if you make under a certain amount, you can get their 'need-based' aid. So they essentially get rich smart kids, or poor smart kids. Because if they give you a baseball scholarship (one of the 11.7, which are always partial), you have to pay the rest, which is still a lot, or either be smart enough to get more academic money elsewhere. If you're poor and smart, you can go for free with need based aid. THAT is the true advantage, but honestly, there's not that many of those kids, but Vandy is going to get the few that there are.
They can only get guys who have the grades to get into Vanderbilt, whatever that is. That's the deal with football too, that's why they are hamstrung there. But in baseball, there's a bigger pool of kids that make the grades, and if you make under a certain amount, you can get their 'need-based' aid. So they essentially get rich smart kids, or poor smart kids. Because if they give you a baseball scholarship (one of the 11.7, which are always partial), you have to pay the rest, which is still a lot, or either be smart enough to get more academic money elsewhere. If you're poor and smart, you can go for free with need based aid. THAT is the true advantage, but honestly, there's not that many of those kids, but Vandy is going to get the few that there are.
They make huge concessions on grades for baseball players. From a 2015 Article:
Former Commodores assistant coach Derek Johnson, now the Chicago Cubs' minor league pitching coordinator, said he looked for an ACT score in the 22-23 range when evaluating players. That's far lower than the standards for a non-athlete Vanderbilt student, but a good deal higher than the standards on the NCAA Eligibility Center's sliding scale--where a 3.0 high school GPA would require a 52 sum score on the ACT, or an average of 17.3 per section.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ba...rship-dollars-key-to-college-success/?amphtml
It is what it is and is not changing. We just need to worry about ourselves.
Former Commodores assistant coach Derek Johnson, now the Chicago Cubs' minor league pitching coordinator, said he looked for an ACT score in the 22-23 range when evaluating players. That's far lower than the standards for a non-athlete Vanderbilt student, but a good deal higher than the standards on the NCAA Eligibility Center's sliding scale--where a 3.0 high school GPA would require a 52 sum score on the ACT, or an average of 17.3 per section.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ba...rship-dollars-key-to-college-success/?amphtml
It is what it is and is not changing. We just need to worry about ourselves.
Even before there was an easy way around the no combination rule--give 11 full baseball scholarships and 24 full opportunity scholarships, resulting in 35 full scholarships for baseball players. Maybe give the last .7 to a rich kid who can afford the .3 in cash. No mixing of scholarships but everything is paid for.
No doubt. But like the article says, it's still much higher than the regular public schools. They really aren't doing anything that any private school (with money) couldn't do. It's not THAT egregious, it's just in the spotlight right now because Corbin is winning big. I don't remember people talking about TCU or Stanford because they haven't been on the run Vandy has.
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I'm not 100% on this, but I don't think baseball scholarships can be given at 100%. Thus, that becomes an advantage for MSU because we are much cheaper.
Vanderbilt cannot really take advantage of mixing and matching because of the reasons in my other post. The only kids going to school for free at Vandy are the smart, poor kids. Kumar Rocker is not even on a full ride. That guy is on like an 80% baseball scholarship and his dad is paying the rest (substantial amount).
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Your understanding of their situation is worse than your understanding of COVID. Sometimes it's best to just stop talking.
I think Vandy is NC caliber program because of all of the above.
Corbin
scholarships
Outstanding academic reputation
Nashville
Either something’s fishy or getting into Vandy is way easier than I thought.
You simply cannot tell me there are that many kids out there that’ll be 1st round draft picks who just happen to have the ability to be future rocket scientists, doctors, lawyers, and PhD’s if baseball doesn’t work out for them. Especially not in today’s climate where baseball has become a year round thing for these kids and their families.
You simply cannot tell me there are that many kids out there that’ll be 1st round draft picks who just happen to have the ability to be future rocket scientists, doctors, lawyers, and PhD’s if baseball doesn’t work out for them. Especially not in today’s climate where baseball has become a year round thing for these kids and their families.
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In summary, Corbin and the administration there decided to go "full in" on baseball, especially 2-3 pitchers. The academic reputation helps but it could be any school. For example, Bama/Clemson/Ohio State in football. Gonzaga/Baylor in basketball. Vandy in baseball.
Wierd how no one seems to care about the last two in football and basketball. Wonder what the difference is.
If everyone had 25 full scholarships Vandy would have a really good program bc of Corbin. But not so good they get a top 3 class every year.
If everyone had 25 full scholarships Vandy would have a really good program bc of Corbin. But not so good they get a top 3 class every year.
GOAT with the do as I say not as I do nugget.
What a ******* circus clown you are.
Vandy has been able to give poor baseball players full rides for years now, but the reason the combination rule is so huge for them is because their tuition is so high, so their 11.7 scholarships are worth more money than State's, and they'd have the advantage even if we had a similar program. The expected financial contribution by parents isn't going to vary from school to school as widely as tuition/scholarship value is.
So now Vanderbilt can do a financial needs analysis for all their players. If someone's parents had an expected contribution for $20k per year on $50k of tuition, previously the parents would have to pay that, unless the student was on a full baseball scholarship. Now Vanderbilt essentially has $600k+ of baseball scholarship money to spread around to as many players as they want to cover all the expenses that aren't covered by the Opportunity Vanderbilt fund. So if they ran a financial need analysis on all their players, everyone would get school paid for as long as the combined expected financial contribution by the parents didn't exceed $640,000
So now Vanderbilt can do a financial needs analysis for all their players. If someone's parents had an expected contribution for $20k per year on $50k of tuition, previously the parents would have to pay that, unless the student was on a full baseball scholarship. Now Vanderbilt essentially has $600k+ of baseball scholarship money to spread around to as many players as they want to cover all the expenses that aren't covered by the Opportunity Vanderbilt fund. So if they ran a financial need analysis on all their players, everyone would get school paid for as long as the combined expected financial contribution by the parents didn't exceed $640,000
His dad is a college/NFL d line coach and was making over $500k last year, so Kumar is actually one of the few on the team who probably doesn’t qualify for Opportunity Vanderbilt
Texas A&M has way more money than Vandy. The A&M Endowment is 13.6 Billion. Alabama is fourth in the SEC at 1.4 Billion. Behind Floriduh and Vandy. Vandy has 7 Billion. The problem is to make it NCAA compliant they have to offer it to all students. Texas A&M is multiple schools spread out over a large area since it's a system endowment. Texas A&M has 150,000 students system wide. Vandy has 13k.
So the Texas A&M endowment is 13,600,000,000$/150,000 students or or 90.6 thousand per student.
Vandy has 7,000,000,000/13,000 or 538.5k$/student.
So Vandy has a clear advantage by staying small
Can you tell I take the P.E. on Monday?
Tracy Rocker is a well known big dumb former Auburn linemen. Dumb as a box of rocks. No way his son makes it into Vandy on ACT scores or grades. Yet he started against us last night.
I'm thinking Leiter might not qualify either. I think his dad made some money doing something...
A kid from my hometown signed at Vandy for football and had a 21 ACT so be careful with the typical Vandy stereotypes.
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