I mean the guy called six ******* technical fouls in a game with no physical confrontation and with a coaching staff who pisses a lot of fans off for NOT getting T’d up ever.
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There just happened in this instance to be a camera on Mulcahy's face through the whole interaction, and his lips didn't move. So, yes, we all saw his lips before and right after.
Mulcahy got hit by the Iowa player in the chest, and then hit from behind by Omoruyi who was following behind him. I'm pretty sure the ref saw the initial hit, then saw Mulcahy's body jerk forward, and interpreted that as Mulcahy reacting.... when it was just him getting bumped from behind by Omoruyi.
There's a big difference between "I trust the ref's call" and "he deserved it"... the latter means you know what he did and felt it warranted a tech. Refs can make mistakes - you don't have to be an apologist for their every call and no call.
Bac, you have the same response for every game. It seems like you don’t watch a game and make a determination. Instead, you’re the “it wasn’t the refs” guy regardless of some games being well reffed, others poorly. Sometimes poor reffing DOES determine an outcome.
do we know the background though...thats what we are missing....i actually trust the refs call, when i see two players going at it and yes mulcahy was right up against mccaffery
this board can be unreadable, the crying about fouls is sad, you guys want to debate about it, i dont, thats why i dont usually comment, and then when I do and say
refs are not calling ts for no reason but rutgers fans think they are...coaches players, blah blah blah.....how about not putting yourself in a situation to get a t called.
it didnt determine jack **** today...did you watch....and then when you actually had a chance to make a run they blew multiple opportunties and the lead from from 8 to 15 when it could have been 5.
our strength coach got tossed out of the game and people here defending what he did because its overzealous refs
Boroski is terrible and has no business being a ref, period.
Van Dyke has no place doing anything close to getting a T, let alone 2.
Both can be true.
Van Dyke has no place doing anything close to getting a T, let alone 2.
Both can be true.
“Jackshit” your ***. Where did I say refs determined anything today. Where? Did you read my post or convert to a straw man? Have you ever criticized the reffing in a RU loss? It happens.
hey guess what...ru got a gift call to beat Iowa when they called a touch foul with 2 seconds lefrt, hey guess what Geo got a gift and they didnt call his foul on theOSU player shooting a 3 on the last shot
its part of the game and those were fouls on last plays......things happen you want to dwell on it....the refs had nothing to do with the outcome today as we were beat in every facet
its part of the game and those were fouls on last plays......things happen you want to dwell on it....the refs had nothing to do with the outcome today as we were beat in every facet
The guy called 6 technical fouls, he’s a ******* clown, it’s not the reason we lost
That's the thing, though - the "background" in that situation shouldn't matter. Either Mulcahy did something at that moment that was worthy of a technical foul, or he didn't... you don't get to call a tech because of something that happened earlier. If something technical-worthy happened earlier, he should have been called earlier.
In this situation, I think the ref just misread the situation. There's replay from like 3 angles showing that Mulcahy didn't do anything out of line - the ref just made an assumption.
It was a blown call - as you say, that can happen.
The Van Dyke ones are different because we have no idea what was said or how it was said - it's all second hand accounts, because neither Van Dyke nor Boroski were mic'ed up. It's possible Van Dyke said something over the line, and it's possible Boroski either misheard something or interpreted it as being aimed at him.
Odd?? Bac always argues against RU-- that's how he's showing what a great" expert" he is ?? He cares more about that then being loyal to RU -- it's not odd,its ******.
Do you know if these players had been warned, Players are talking to refs all the time. Mulcahy was right into McCafferys face and not sure why Cliff was pushing him into him
van Dyke got called twice, no excuse to not control yourself after the first...Pike acting like he had no idea was not a good answer
One lesson Pike needs to deal with is:
Every opponent knows they Paul is easy to get to. Paul needs to understand that and not fall into the traps that opponents are trying.
Every opponent knows they Paul is easy to get to. Paul needs to understand that and not fall into the traps that opponents are trying.
So f***ing sick of bac2therac and the poster sycophants constantly asking “Bac, what do you think?” Like who gives a f**k what Bac thinks? Makes me want to throw up.
Watch the replay, it's pretty clear.
Our players were walking to our bench for a timeout. Omoruyi was walking right behind Mulcahy. McCaffery put a shoulder into Mulcahy's chest, which stopped Mulcahy's momentum, and Omoruyi bumped into him from behind, knocking him forward into McCaffery with his hands over his head. Completely innocuous on Mulcahy's part, and he gets T'd up.
Blown call.
Bac said numerous times that all of the calls even out during a game.
Rutgers scored more baskets than Iowa. Of course the officiating effected the game.
Its called BASKETball. And WE SCORED MORE BASKETS THAT IOWA.
I knew this game was over the moment I realized Bo Boroski was 1 of 3 referees after the 16 minute mark, forgot to look at the.start. I made a comment on the live thread, must be eating up the refs to not call fouls around the 12 minute tv timeout. The next 8 minutes proved me right.
First 8 minutes 20:00-11:52, Iowa 2 PFs, RU 1 PF, Rutgers 19 Iowa 13
Next 8.minutes 11:52-3:51, Iowa 1 PF, RU 7 PFs, Rutgers 5, Iowa 21, 8-8 FTs.
Game over. 24-34. Iowa got the calls on shots, we didn't(1-2 Geo) per usual.
20PFs, 2 Tech Van Dyke, 1 Caleb 1 Paul for nothing, 24 total for the game.
Our bench played 22 minutes and picked up 7 PFs.
Mag 7 min 1 PF, Reiber, Hyatt, Miller, 5 minutes, 2 PFs each.
Pike knew he couldn't play them due to refereeing.
Iowa had 14 total fouls, 2 at the end of the half, and 2 of them were "offsetting" technicals on Conner McCaffrey. So 10 total. Only 4 PFs in 57 Iowa bench minutes
First 8 minutes 20:00-11:52, Iowa 2 PFs, RU 1 PF, Rutgers 19 Iowa 13
Next 8.minutes 11:52-3:51, Iowa 1 PF, RU 7 PFs, Rutgers 5, Iowa 21, 8-8 FTs.
Game over. 24-34. Iowa got the calls on shots, we didn't(1-2 Geo) per usual.
20PFs, 2 Tech Van Dyke, 1 Caleb 1 Paul for nothing, 24 total for the game.
Our bench played 22 minutes and picked up 7 PFs.
Mag 7 min 1 PF, Reiber, Hyatt, Miller, 5 minutes, 2 PFs each.
Pike knew he couldn't play them due to refereeing.
Iowa had 14 total fouls, 2 at the end of the half, and 2 of them were "offsetting" technicals on Conner McCaffrey. So 10 total. Only 4 PFs in 57 Iowa bench minutes
exactly....they purposely called on the guy rather than the real 'offender' there, Pike. Not a big deal. Game over before that. Team rallied until Cliff's missed dunk.
Cliff was the guy Iowa couldn't handle but unfortunately he was an afterthought in our lame ISO offense once again.
Bet ya Bo is laughing at that having drinks with his team. "Told ya I'd find a way to kick him"
BTW.. I am OFFICIALLY... NOT EMBARRASSED... I recommend everyone choose that option.
Those REFS need be embarrased.
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Van Dyke is a Pike guy from stony Brook . So I don’t think he’s getting transferred to the college avenue gym today.
He graduated from and played football at …..wait for it ….Penn state !
He graduated from and played football at …..wait for it ….Penn state !
Pike should make it clear to Van Dyke today that if he ever gets another technical foul he is done at the end of that season. Should never happen.
Van Dyke is my favorite, dude has so much passion. He should have knocked Bo out
We’re lucky Luke didn’t get teed up also. He’s always been demonstrative which people make light of but he’s been damn lucky. Later in the game after the technicals after a foul call on Iowa he stood up and was clapping Bronx Cheer style to the ref’s call. I’m not blaming Pike for Van Dyke who should know better but Luke is another story.
A lot of truth here.
Of course it seems easy for me to say this now,
But it would have been nice if the ref said to Pike that he better control his staff or the team will be T'd up....... before the first tech call
Everyone knows these games are important, many decided in the last few seconds
To call a multiple techs on an assistant is a killer
you said “paul deserved it”
but gave ZERO evidence to back it up. zero. You’re talking out of you ur *** man. “Well he must have done
something” it’s laughable bac.
I offered what was shown on the replay!!!!
What was shown in the replay: he kept his mouth shut, put his hands up and didn’t engage the other player in any way.
There was NOTHING in the replay to support a definitive statement like “paul deserved the T”
100%
He is, oddly, incapable of acknowledging that a ref can EVER make a wrong call.
Its bizarre
Van Dyke is crazy and can’t help himself he gets into it like all the other members of the team.
just remember when you see our guys transforming their body’s over the summer like Cliff that is van dyke. When our guys are tougher and bullying other teams that is van dyke.
that being said he probably shouldn’t get a T. But Refs should not be making mistakes either. So let’s call it even when it comes to complaining
I just can’t fathom giving the strength coach a T without going to the head coach first.
Bo was too emotional and is not mentally fit to ref I’m big ten. The refs need to understand it is not about them.
again if you are a player or coach you better not get emotional or make a mistake. If you are a ref you can freely start giving out Ts to hide your mistake. Joke
just remember when you see our guys transforming their body’s over the summer like Cliff that is van dyke. When our guys are tougher and bullying other teams that is van dyke.
that being said he probably shouldn’t get a T. But Refs should not be making mistakes either. So let’s call it even when it comes to complaining
I just can’t fathom giving the strength coach a T without going to the head coach first.
Bo was too emotional and is not mentally fit to ref I’m big ten. The refs need to understand it is not about them.
again if you are a player or coach you better not get emotional or make a mistake. If you are a ref you can freely start giving out Ts to hide your mistake. Joke
All true. However, For Van Dyke to put himself in that position is stupid. To do it twice is inexcusable.
100%. Your first move has to be a warning to the Head Coach.
Thing is PM is probably getting scrutinized from past performance of complaining to refs and is in watch at all times…he should be mindful of that
embarassing a strength coach gets two Ts and gets tossed from the game but chalk it up to another first for RU. It may seem wrong as he was acting more as a fan like us in response to missed calls but he has to be mindful of that sitting on the bench—right or wrong! I for one one am happy somebody finally called out the refs as we were getting the short end of the stick on many plays.
thing is…the refs didn’t truly determine this game. We lost bc a variety of things. I think Bac is looking at it without scarlet colored glasses on . Could a few more plays gone our way..sure.
cliff dunk(and foul)…Harper in paint(foul) and 4 less FTs due to Ts by strength coach..8pt swing right there and who knows the momentum on the backend of that. But it’s truly a what if….
embarassing a strength coach gets two Ts and gets tossed from the game but chalk it up to another first for RU. It may seem wrong as he was acting more as a fan like us in response to missed calls but he has to be mindful of that sitting on the bench—right or wrong! I for one one am happy somebody finally called out the refs as we were getting the short end of the stick on many plays.
thing is…the refs didn’t truly determine this game. We lost bc a variety of things. I think Bac is looking at it without scarlet colored glasses on . Could a few more plays gone our way..sure.
cliff dunk(and foul)…Harper in paint(foul) and 4 less FTs due to Ts by strength coach..8pt swing right there and who knows the momentum on the backend of that. But it’s truly a what if….
What happened to giving the bench a warning before assessing a T?