If Richards plays like he did last night, they'll beat us by 25. I know, I know he had blah blah blah rebounds, but he fiddled 4 or 5 balls away and was so lost on many possessions, Gafford had dunked and ran back 5 steps before Nick realized what was happening.
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Just making the second round is one hell of an accomplishment for Tennessee basketball, historically. How sad is that.
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Yeah if Nick makes his usual mistakes we lose by 25 this weekend because every time he plays bad we get waxed...
Nick needs to be strong against Tennessee, no 3 point plays, if he's going to foul, foul hard, don't let them have that kind of 3 point play underneath. He played fairly well against Arkansas but him and EJ still have to many silly fouls, it's ok to be aggressive but be smart about it.
I like the fact that Kermit said his jacket toss "enticed" the crowd (rather than "incited."). You were looking sexy out there, Kermit.
After Barnes pissing and moaning and slinging snot about SEC stripes look for UK to have massive foul trouble. PJW will have 3 before he gets off the bus.
The end of the UT/Ole Miss game is a perfect example of why I hate the charge call so much. It makes sense if a player lowers his shoulder and plows through another player, or if a ball handler pushes off with his free arm. But most charges are called when a player rotates over and jumps in front of a driving player. To me, this makes absolutely no sense when it comes to the game of basketball. Why is that a thing? How does that fit into the game of basketball? A player is driving down the court or towards the rim and just because a defensive player manages to jump in front of him at the last second and not move his feet (even though they aren't truly set most of the time) that play results in a foul on the offensive player and the defense is rewarded with the ball. It makes NO SENSE. It just shouldn't be a part of the game of basketball. It has led to so much flopping and is called incorrectly so often. In my eyes it makes as much sense as saying if a game goes to OT it should be decided by playing a game of ultimate frisbee. It makes no sense and doesn't belong in basketball. An offensive foul shouldn't be called very often and it should be called as a penalty against an offensive play, not a reward for a defensive play.
I’ve argued this for year.
Take away the block/charge call. Common offensive fouls are still a thing if a player shoves off, slings an elbow, excessively lowers a shoulder and is out of control. But it’s just a common foul....that happens to be against the offense.
But having the B/C call only encourages defenders to stop moving their feet and try to “draw” a charge. It’s a judgement call and is wrong much of the time. It’s bad defense and could lead to serious injuries when guys get undercut or jump and come down on bodies laying under the rim.
Move your feet, challenge the shot. Encourage good defense. Protect players safety.
Few things tick me off more than a big man trying to back his man in and the defender just stops his feet and throws his body bc he can’t D his guy up.
Admittedly, we have a pretty dumb fanbase when it comes to hoops. I suspect a lot of them are football fans that only watch basketball when we are good.
A couple of examples:
1) we had a poster claiming that Tennessee would drop out of the top 25 if we lost to ole miss last night and you guys on Saturday. An unranked 24-5 sec team? Yeah right.
2) several "fans" think the season is over if you have a loss in February. No one goes undefeated in league play unless you have an NBA stacked roster (like you guys a few years ago) or the league is terrible as a whole (Florida a few years ago).
3) our first goal should be to win the sec regular title, then sec tournament, then worry about NCAAs. Tennessee is not a blue blood so conference championships matter. We don't have countless sec titles like you guys where winning another one is no big deal.
I am genuinely curious, what would be the alternative? I think this call is missed all the time too, but if you took it away what would stop defenders from creating contact with their body while defending drives?
Maybe I'm just missing your point which is quite possible
I think the point is that you stop defenders from sliding under the driver at the last second. It is one thing to be basically camped at a spot and then get ran over, which is pretty close to what Admiral did last night, and entirely another one to basically try to beat the offensive player to a spot just before he jumps so you can take a charge. The later is what is almost impossible to call and really shouldn't be how defense is played. So, I think the OP is saying that any defender that tries to take a charge at the last second like that would be assessed a blocking foul.
Combackz hit it for the most part.
There is already supposed to be a technical assessed for flopping.
Realistically every attempt to “draw” a charge is a flop. The amount of contact it takes to knock a 6’6 230lb man to the floor is very excessive if he’s attempting to play defense and move his feet.
A foul is a foul is a foul. Making a special category of “block/charge” just encourages ambiguity and defenders to attempt to stop playing good defense (I.e moving their feet, staying straight up, challenging) and plant their feet and take contact to draw a charge.
Obviously the sliding under is the worse of them from a players safety standpoint. But even from a “cleaning up the game/officiating standpoint, this is the most missed call in basketball bc it’s muddy water at best.
As stated before, excessive contact created by the offensive player (shoving, trying to bulldoze through a defender, being out of control and barreling into a crowd etc) while the defender is in good legal guarding position can be a common foul on the offensive player as stated by rule.
But if you start calling the bad defense, stop your feet, flop and “draw” a charge technicals, as is already in the rules(or at least common Defensive fouls), then within a matter of weeks (probably would only take a written statement pre season) that stops being a technique taught and utilized as “defense” and thus taking out the hardest call in the game and potential injuries.
Essentially you’re calling the game as it’s designed to be called. The flopping and draw a charge strategy evolved from the ambiguity of “legal guarding position”. Sure, technically the defender claims the space and the offensive player is coming into his space etc. but realistically the defender is creating the contact by stopping his feet and not making an effort to defend and flopping and taking advantage of how the rules were being enforced.
The end result is better basketball, less chance of injuries, and taking some judgement out of officiating. It’s more of a point of emphasis/clarification of rules while removing verbiage than a rule change.
Having the block/charge call just encourages players to attempt to “draw” (essentially flopping) a charge as a strategy.
Just my humble opinion though. I just don’t think creating contact by stopping making an effort to defend and falling down should be a defensive strategy.
Best post on this topic. Charging should be about players trying to run thru a guy....but it's turned into a help side defensive player trying to slide under a guy and get a call.
1. It is completely a player safety issue with so many guys running under players driving the ball...way moreso than this gay "elbow" crap that we've been infatuated with.
2. Make defensive players challenge shots with athleticism...would make the game more exciting.