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Wlson961

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But I like this team. Don't get me wrong they are TOUGH to watch at times and aren't very good now, but have shown glimpses. Now what I like most about this team is I see several coming back (unless Cal pushes them out). You can add a few pieces here and there to compliment what you have already. Players develope and could be really good next year. Which is what I'd like to see, multi-year guys that develope over time, this could be the start to that.
 

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What is sad is had Boston went to the cheats or the jailhawks he would be there for 4 years. By the time he would have been a senior he would have been a great player.
You know, nba scouts have to be turning attention elsewhere dont they? He really hasnt shown anything. Not even a flash of brilliance. 🤷‍♂️
 

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But I like this team. Don't get me wrong they are TOUGH to watch at times and aren't very good now, but have shown glimpses. Now what I like most about this team is I see several coming back (unless Cal pushes them out). You can add a few pieces here and there to compliment what you have already. Players develope and could be really good next year. Which is what I'd like to see, multi-year guys that develope over time, this could be the start to that.
You're right.. that is an unpopular opinion.
 

philstat

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But I like this team. Don't get me wrong they are TOUGH to watch at times and aren't very good now, but have shown glimpses. Now what I like most about this team is I see several coming back (unless Cal pushes them out). You can add a few pieces here and there to compliment what you have already. Players develope and could be really good next year. Which is what I'd like to see, multi-year guys that develope over time, this could be the start to that.

Man, better odds in Vegas, I believe we lose eight players this year.
 

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But I like this team. Don't get me wrong they are TOUGH to watch at times and aren't very good now, but have shown glimpses. Now what I like most about this team is I see several coming back (unless Cal pushes them out). You can add a few pieces here and there to compliment what you have already. Players develope and could be really good next year. Which is what I'd like to see, multi-year guys that develope over time, this could be the start to that.

Almost like listening to your gramma tell you about walking to school in the deep snow.
 

Wlson961

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It's an opinion, may turn out wrong but it's like most opinions it doesn't really matter. I like this team but not necessarily this year. If, which I realize can be a big if, players stay and develop this team can become good. Maybe not this year but possibly next year.
 

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It's an opinion, may turn out wrong but it's like most opinions it doesn't really matter. I like this team but not necessarily this year. If, which I realize can be a big if, players stay and develop this team can become good. Maybe not this year but possibly next year.
I can understand part of what you are saying IF, and that is one gigantic IF, players return. The other flaw in this is we don’t have shooters. Even if this entire roster returns next year, we will be severely limited if we cannot put the ball through the hoop.
 

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Well they aren’t going to be good this year. That much seems certisn at this point. UK fans looking toward next year only halfway thru the season is kinda a sad statement of current affairs is it not?
 

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Might be a bunch of good kids, so it's ok to like them, but this is a very bad basketball team. Have shown nothing to make any logical fan believe they are going to turn it around. Auburn played a horrible game and still won going away.
 
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Wlson961

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Well they aren’t going to be good this year. That much seems certisn at this point. UK fans looking toward next year only halfway thru the season is kinda a sad statement of current affairs is it not?
I agree this year we're just gonna have to take the bumps with the bruises. I think we look for hope and seems next year is our only hope.

I can understand part of what you are saying IF, and that is one gigantic IF, players return. The other flaw in this is we don’t have shooters. Even if this entire roster returns next year, we will be severely limited if we cannot put the ball through the hoop.
I agree with this too, that's why I added that we continue to add players that go with our roster.
 
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Wlson961

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Might be a bunch of good kids, so it's ok to like them, but this is a very bad basketball team. Have shown nothing to make any logical fan believe they are going to turn it around. Auburn played a horrible game and still won going away.
Yea with the way Auburn played, we should've won easily. Depends on your definition of turning it around is. Are we going to win a championship? No. Make the tournament? Looking doubtful. But we'll get better. You have to think we can become better and still be a bad team and lose games. Progress is progress no matter how painful it is. I'm logical enough to know we're not going to have much success this year, my eyes were on the future
 

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But I like this team. Don't get me wrong they are TOUGH to watch at times and aren't very good now, but have shown glimpses. Now what I like most about this team is I see several coming back (unless Cal pushes them out). You can add a few pieces here and there to compliment what you have already. Players develope and could be really good next year. Which is what I'd like to see, multi-year guys that develope over time, this could be the start to that.
Yep, instead of losing 8 early on they will be 6-6 at this point next year and make the NIT.
 

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Yea with the way Auburn played, we should've won easily. Depends on your definition of turning it around is. Are we going to win a championship? No. Make the tournament? Looking doubtful. But we'll get better. You have to think we can become better and still be a bad team and lose games. Progress is progress no matter how painful it is. I'm logical enough to know we're not going to have much success this year, my eyes were on the future

If turning it around and possibly being a 500 team is progress in the eyes of some people, so be it. 500 for me is unacceptable no matter what.
I see nothing to make me hopeful of this season, and also expect to lose 6-8 players from this team. Good chance we will be in a similar boat next year.
 

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But I like this team. Don't get me wrong they are TOUGH to watch at times and aren't very good now, but have shown glimpses. Now what I like most about this team is I see several coming back (unless Cal pushes them out). You can add a few pieces here and there to compliment what you have already. Players develope and could be really good next year. Which is what I'd like to see, multi-year guys that develope over time, this could be the start to that.
I agree the multi-year guys that develop need to be the core. But the roster is very unbalanced. They have too many non-shooters and few scorers. UK is going to have to find a transfer 2G that can get his shot off quickly and shoot 40% on 3s. Mintz is pretty good, just not really good enough on a team like this, and I think at this point he' is pretty much what he is - plus I doubt he's thinking about coming back anyway.

And on top of the transfer 2G, I think UK needs to start building the base too, with Podziemsky and another great shooting 2G (preferably a great high school shooting 2G, but a reclassified Clark would be fine if he's going to stay 2 years - otherwise I don't care whether he comes or not)
 

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I agree the multi-year guys that develop need to be the core. But the roster is very unbalanced. They have too many non-shooters and few scorers. UK is going to have to find a transfer 2G that can get his shot off quickly and shoot 40% on 3s. Mintz is pretty good, just not really good enough on a team like this, and I think at this point he' is pretty much what he is - plus I doubt he's thinking about coming back anyway.

And on top of the transfer 2G, I think UK needs to start building the base too, with Podziemsky and another great shooting 2G (preferably a great high school shooting 2G, but a reclassified Clark would be fine if he's going to stay 2 years - otherwise I don't care whether he comes or not)
Definitely need some shooters and the WV transfer coming in will add much needed physicality
 
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know1

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I like the players. I am just over the coach. I actually feel sorry for the players.
 

Atrain7732

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I do think you are right UK could be good next year.

But it’s sad that we are so bad this year. Cal’s seat will be somewhat warm next year for first time in his Uk tenure.
 
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But I like this team. Don't get me wrong they are TOUGH to watch at times and aren't very good now, but have shown glimpses. Now what I like most about this team is I see several coming back (unless Cal pushes them out). You can add a few pieces here and there to compliment what you have already. Players develope and could be really good next year. Which is what I'd like to see, multi-year guys that develope over time, this could be the start to that.

You’re not alone. It’s amazing to me that they’ve won 4 games since only one player was on the team a year ago, limited practices, no exhibition games. There are promising players on the roster. Next season will look way different.
 
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You’re not alone. It’s amazing to me that they’ve won 4 games since only one player was on the team a year ago, limited practices, no exhibition games. There are promising players on the roster. Next season will look way different.
Young players benefit so much from them early exhibition games to help with confidence. That's why Cal scrimmaged Transylvania. Plus you have to think younger guys are affected by the crowds in a positive way just as much as a negative way. Not to give excuses but something to think about.
 

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weakest 2 guards I can renember running the team.

if we hit our free throws, we win this game. 57% from line wont get it.

struck out on transfers this year. Toppin excluded.
 

bkingUK

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Young players benefit so much from them early exhibition games to help with confidence. That's why Cal scrimmaged Transylvania. Plus you have to think younger guys are affected by the crowds in a positive way just as much as a negative way. Not to give excuses but something to think about.
You’re not wrong but you’re looking for rationality from UK fans when we have a 4-8 record.
 

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If 4-8 and thinking we have a good core coming back is acceptable than we are in a bad spot as a fan base. Also if anyone has paid attention the last 10 years on court performance has absolutely nothing to do with who will or will not come back next season.

10 years ago we would lose mintz and sarr from this team and that’s it. I will be surprised if we have a single player back at this point and I know that’s extreme but I’m a pessimist.

either way without a shooter with 5 stars next to his name what would possibly change next year? It’s like the football team, we always complain about we need to score to win but without a QB you can’t score. How can we score without spreading the floor?
 
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Yea with the way Auburn played, we should've won easily. Depends on your definition of turning it around is. Are we going to win a championship? No. Make the tournament? Looking doubtful. But we'll get better. You have to think we can become better and still be a bad team and lose games. Progress is progress no matter how painful it is. I'm logical enough to know we're not going to have much success this year, my eyes were on the future
Auburn scored 45 in 2nd half. Cal called that defense good enough to win...
 
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bkingUK

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If 4-8 and thinking we have a good core coming back is acceptable than we are in a bad spot as a fan base. Also if anyone has paid attention the last 10 years on court performance has absolutely nothing to do with who will or will not come back next season.

10 years ago we would lose mintz and sarr from this team and that’s it. I will be surprised if we have a single player back at this point and I know that’s extreme but I’m a pessimist.

either way without a shooter with 5 stars next to his name what would possibly change next year? It’s like the football team, we always complain about we need to score to win but without a QB you can’t score. How can we score without spreading the floor?
Let’s be objective. It’s not true that returning talent has no impact on success. The national championship returned Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb, Darius Miller.

And whether or not we are in a bad spot as a fanbase doesn’t make a difference. We just aren’t good this year. It’s not rocket science
 

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If 4-8 and thinking we have a good core coming back is acceptable than we are in a bad spot as a fan base. Also if anyone has paid attention the last 10 years on court performance has absolutely nothing to do with who will or will not come back next season.

10 years ago we would lose mintz and sarr from this team and that’s it. I will be surprised if we have a single player back at this point and I know that’s extreme but I’m a pessimist.

either way without a shooter with 5 stars next to his name what would possibly change next year? It’s like the football team, we always complain about we need to score to win but without a QB you can’t score. How can we score without spreading the floor?
Yea 4-8 isn't good and it's nothing to celebrate but I can look at this team and see the talent is there it's just going to need to be worked with. Nobody is ok with 4-8 you can just glance at this board and see that, if we were then I'd say we were in a bad spot as a fan base. Our main problem imo is that the talent we have doesn't compliment each other well. We have a lot of athletism and not enough shooters.
 
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Let’s be objective. It’s not true that returning talent has no impact on success. The national championship returned Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb, Darius Miller.

And whether or not we are in a bad spot as a fanbase doesn’t make a difference. We just aren’t good this year. It’s not rocket science

Very true but with any other class other than Davis and MKG what would Lamb Jones and Miller have accomplished?

three returning players is not a good core for 99.9% of programs but I understand that is where we are and where we have been since Cal got here.

however without elite talent coming in with those guys you mentioned we would have been a fringe tourney team with a lot of games that come down to the final 3 minutes.
 

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Very true but with any other class other than Davis and MKG what would Lamb Jones and Miller have accomplished?

three returning players is not a good core for 99.9% of programs but I understand that is where we are and where we have been since Cal got here.

however without elite talent coming in with those guys you mentioned we would have been a fringe tourney team with a lot of games that come down to the final 3 minutes.
2015 returned WCS, Harrison twins, Derrick Willis, Dominique Hawkins, Dakari Johnson and Marcus Lee
 

bkingUK

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So one time in 10 plus years? I guess that’s good even though it didn’t result in a title.
Yea I don’t even know what you’re arguing about at this point. You said that whose returning has no impact on oncourt performance. It’s an untrue statement. Even the 2010 team returned Patrick Patterson, among others
 

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Yea I don’t even know what you’re arguing about at this point. You said that whose returning has no impact on oncourt performance. It’s an untrue statement. Even the 2010 team returned Patrick Patterson, among others

I think you misunderstood me or I didn’t say what I meant. I was speaking about this team initially and referring to 2021 not in general before we got side tracked on returning players in general.

so let me try again: unless a shooter that has 5 stars next to his name comes to kentucky next year, even if every single player returned other than the seniors how could we be better?

without the ability to spread the court allowing spacing and offensive scoring I don’t see how returning players would help.

now if you promise me that Allen may play despite who’s heart it hurts, whatever that means, than I will agree we could at least be a tourney team.
 

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I think you misunderstood me or I didn’t say what I meant. I was speaking about this team initially and referring to 2021 not in general before we got side tracked on returning players in general.

so let me try again: unless a shooter that has 5 stars next to his name comes to kentucky next year, even if every single player returned other than the seniors how could we be better?

without the ability to spread the court allowing spacing and offensive scoring I don’t see how returning players would help.

now if you promise me that Allen may play despite who’s heart it hurts, whatever that means, than I will agree we could at least be a tourney team.
Adding pieces to compliment returning players is a big key, shooters would be something I would target. But also don't count out development of returning players. If you look back, 2 players off the top of my head, Liggins and Patterson, they could not shoot well and seemingly from 1 year to the next developed a decent 3 point shot.
 
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