University issues official statement...

[Waterdawg]

nv

 

[VirgilCain]

I wonder if he drives a GTO, is friends with tiger woods, or perversely eats bananas?

 

[Lion O]

And trust me, it IS a serious violation IF the coaches or any University employee was aware. One of the worst things about this is that it involves a current
coach's son. This also occurred during an official visit.

Also, it is stated within MSU's own recruiting policy that adult entertainment is not allowed therefore it is an NCAA violation.

Please point to the NCAA rule that says this is a "serious violation". I bet you can't, because you are full of ****. As I said in the original post the NCAA does have the right to ding us for breaking our own policies but that is unlikely given the school didn't set it up and they are trying to rectify the problem. Again, just another person trying to blow this out of proportion.

Let's try the story this way, "some adults went to a perfectly legal business and then came home". Kinda loses all it's spice that way doesn't it. Slight embarrassment is the worst that will come of this. And for me, lots and lots of laughs as I find the whole thing (sans the stupid *** fans freaking out) hilarious.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/other/2004-08-05-recruiting-rules_x.htm

 

[AssEndDawg]

where even though they mention strippers in the title then never once mention them in the body of the article and the rules they point out don't say anything about strip clubs. So once again, how about something from the NCAA rule book?

ETA: And remember he said "serious" so we aren't talking about secondary/self-report violations here. We are talking true lack of control. Get to hunting boy.

 

[Lion O]

The new rules require:

• Ferrying recruits on commercial airlines only - coach class - the most controversial of the measures because of the impact on schools without easy access to major airports.

• The same ground transportation provided other prospective students.

• "Standard" meals and lodging.

• No personalized inducements such as customized jerseys or stadium scoreboard presentations.

• Oversight of all-female and other student host groups.

• Written school policies outlining "appropriate" recruiting policies, including bans on underage drinking, drug use and sex.

13.6.1 Institutional Policies. An institution must have written departmental policies related to official visits that apply to prospective student-athletes, student hosts, coaches and other athletics administrators that are approved by the institution's president or chancellor and kept on file at the institution and conference office. The institution is responsible for the development and enforcement of appropriate policies and penalties regarding specified areas, as identified by the NCAA Division I Board of Directors. The institution shall have an outside entity (e.g., conference office) evaluate its policies related to official visits once every four years. The institution may be held accountable through the NCAA enforcement program for activities that clearly demonstrate a disregard for its stated policies. (Adopted: 8/5/04, Revised: 3/8/06)

ALCOHOL/DRUGS & ILLICIT ACTIVITIES ? Mississippi State Athletics fosters an alcohol and drug free environment. Consumption of alcohol and use of drugs will be strictly prohibited. The host and the prospect will not engage in any illegal activities. Mississippi State strictly prohibits the use of sex as a recruiting tool. The use of adult entertainment is prohibited.


http://www.nmnathletics.com/fls/16800/pdf/compliance/officialvisitpolicy.pdf?SPSID=311950&SPID=34018&DB_OEM_ID=16800

 

[spacecataz]

This really is bothering you, isn't it?

 

[AssEndDawg]

and absolutely nothing there telling what kind of violation it is. Remember, it's supposed to be serious. So, I don't blieve that USA Today has captured NCAA law and I still don't know if they view it as serious. Sorry, just not a credible source. The NCAA rules are online, surely you can find it in there.

 

[Lion O]

<a href="http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:TPSUGIV0-J4J:archives.energycommerce.house.gov/reparchives/108/Hearings/03112004hearing1226/NCAARecruitingBylaws.pdf+ncaa+bylaw+official+visits&hl=en&gl=us&sig=AHIEtbQ4Zjmsne2fc5JPopD02fD14pEU5g" target="_blank">The first sentence.
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Also look at 13.7.5.1 on that link. I think most, including the NCAA, would include strip clubs as "excessive" entertainment.

NCAA Official Visit Form - Read the last page, second to last bullet point.

 

[AssEndDawg]

First one doesn't pertain:

An institution may provide entertainment, which may not be excessive, on the official visit only for a prospect and the prospect's parents [or legal guardian(s)] or spouse and only within a 30-mile radius of the institution's main campus.

they are specifically talking about the entertainment provided by the school itself. What they are trying to prevent is us having 2Pac and Biggie Smalls (yes, I know they are both bead) on campus to entertain recruits. No one ever once accused the school of setting up or paying for the visit that may, or may not, have happened so this rule is irrelevant.

The second one is more interesting however you have still failed to point to a single rule. There is an entire book of rules the NCAA prints out there and so far you have come up with a USA Today article, a summary that doesn't say a word about adult entertainment, and a sample form from Division II. Are you telling me you can't point to a rule these kids broke even if this wasn't a joke?

I'll save you some time. You can't. I've looked. The reason you can't is because there is no rule UNLESS the school set it up and/or paid for it. MSU did neither and everyone knows it.

 

[Lion O]

Go back and read rule 13.7.5.1.

It specifically states that excessive entertainment is an institutional violation. It doesnt matter if the schiol specifically used their funds to pay for the trip. If someone associated with the school paid for the trip, such as a student or booster, it counts.

Are you seriously trying to make a case that it is within the rules to take recruits to a strip club on their official visit? You dont honestly think the NCAA will say it was ok, and that no rules were broken, do you? I mean honestly, whether I or anyone else can show you a rule, you dont seriously think its within legal recruiting practices, do you?

 

[AssEndDawg]

that someone paid for the trip.

You again are missing the entire point, I'm not saying it's not a violation. I'm saying there isn't a specific rule. This all started because the guy above said it was a clear cut and SERIOUS violation. I argued it was neither. You have still yet to produce a rule that mentions adult entertainment or strip clubs. No one invited you into this conversation, you decided to join in. So, show me the serious violation or shut up.