UNC Swimming & Diving 2025-2026

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As I feared my chatGPT efforts are breaking down, so alas we will return to our normal document only
 

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Going to be a tough year. Men are currently 9th, women are currently 7th. Would guess both teams are looking to net 1 spot over the next few days.
 

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Women are 7th, a little over 60 points behind 6th, and a little under 60 ahead of 8th. Swimswam had picked the women 6th.

Men are 7th, 53 points back of 6th, 13 points ahead of 8th. Will likely look to defend their place rather than move up (Were also picked 6th)

 

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Women's Standings: (To UNC), A Finals Today/B/C
6. Pittsburgh +62.5 1/0/2
7. UNC 1/2/2
8. Duke -59 2/1/0
9. Notre Dame -77.5 0/0/2
10. Florida State -83.5 0/1/2
11. Miami -89.5 0/0/0

So, without considering the 1650 and Relay, it looks like UNC is around 40 back of Pitt and 50 up on Duke. Depending on finishes those will shuffle but worst case, 8th place finish, maybe with some luck a 6th place repeat.

Men's Standings (To UNC)
5. VT +95 2/3/1
6. FSU +53 0/2/3
7. UNC 1/2/4
8. UVA -13 2/3/1
9. Notre Dame -49.5 0/3/2

Once again, without considering the 1650 and Relay, UNC looks to be 30 back of FSU, 15 back of UVA, and 60 up on ND. Think the men will be happy to hold 7th.
 
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Heels women have just the 400 Free left, they are 16 back of Pitt for a 6th place finish.
 

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Website not updating, but back of the hand math has UNC men 18 up on UVA for 7th, 24 back of FSU for 6th.
 

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Pretty poor final relay cost the men their 7th spot by 5 points. Overall, the women just missed 6th, but then there's a huge gap to the next team up. So the decline in diving points didn't actually hurt that poorly.

You can see the men outperformed the 2022/2023 campaigns, but the relay DQ hurt. Overall, a bit of a decline. But there should be a good set of athletes going to nationals in a few weeks.
 

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UNC's recent drop in ACC Meet results seems mostly attributed to Cal and Stanford joining the conference.



We are not at all competitive with the top teams; I don't want to imply otherwise. There is a huge chasm between 1-3 and what we are fielding.
 

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The question that I have is how do we change this? How do we get some of the top high school swimmers to want to come and swim for UNC? Does NIL money have a lot to do with it? Are the facilities that bad?
 

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Knight 14th in 1M after prelims, needs top 11 to clinch a spot, 12th will allow her to compete if she gets a top finish in one of the other apparatuses.
 

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The question that I have is how do we change this? How do we get some of the top high school swimmers to want to come and swim for UNC? Does NIL money have a lot to do with it? Are the facilities that bad?
First, no, revenue share is not a major component of swimming. Top swimmers flock to programs with coaches, technology and facilities known to increase chances to get into (or stay) world class swimming. UNC and other programs are trying to increase scholarship counts in swimming. I have no idea where swimming stands in our pecking order among teams, but surely there is a pecking order. It is possible that top teams are prioritizing expanding swimming scholarships faster than we are, but I really have no idea.

  • UNC can compete in diving and breaststroke due to specific coaches.
  • The UNC natatorium was nice when built but is now the oldest facility on campus in terms of replacement or recent major upgrade. And we do not have cutting edge technology that some of the top programs like UVA have managed to build combining their academic faculty with team performance.
  • Koury Natatorium replacement is now tied with decisions surrounding the removal or refurbishment of the Dean Dome. If they were to do the big update to the Dome, KN, likely would need to come down for the extra needed space and thus be replaced. But if it is a tear down I have no idea where that puts KN; not sure if the AD truly knows yet either. But the point is, no decision on KN will be considered until the arena decision is made. UNC has a stated priority of Softball and rowing upgrades (which both obviously take a back seat to The Arena.) So as it stands right now, KN would be at best in the next round of facility upgrades or replacements.... unless the Dean Dome takes their footprint sooner.
So for the near future it seems that we will continue to focus on grinding with incremental improvements through our coaches building a program. It is not like we are failing: The UNC men last season finished ranked 12th and the women were ranked 15th. There was a definite drop-off this year to 23rd men and 20th women, but still relevant.

But we are not reasonably competitive with the UVA and Stanford women, nor the Cal and NCSU men. When we face them it is a bloodbath against those top national teams. I don't see us catching them any time soon. UVA is recruiting Olympic gold medalists on the regular. And their coaches tend to be tied to the Olympic program.

So then the question becomes, is it reasonable to expect to be truly competitive at a national title level in every single sport? Does just the realities of uphill battles in terms of tradition against established programs, and accepting that there will never be enough resources to compete at top money in all 28 varsity sports as a member of the ACC with ACC level resources need to be factored in?

If your goal is Director's Cup points, we are actually doing OK in swimming. If your goal is to be as good as rivals UVA and NCSU (and dook) at literally everything year in and year out, then yeah, we are not there in the sports they succeed in (and perhaps value) the most. I don't have a solution for that above and beyond what we are already doing. Should we expect to match ND in football? Should WF expect to match us in basketball? What is realistic?
 
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Men's qualifiers haven't been released yet, would guess it'll be the end of this week?

Knight is also officially qualified for the 3M. Considering platform is her best event, hopefully she'll have a clean sweep tomorrow and give us a chance to pick some an extra couple points at nationals.
 

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Thanks 3397Char for the wonderful explanation and feedback. It makes sense now.
 

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On a swimming basis, the men have 8 going, covering 8 individual events and 3 relays
 
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2028 Emma Kelly commits to UNC for diving

2X NISCA All-America (100 awarded every year across all 4 grades combined)
CT state Champ in 1M, broke state record for final score
Hungarian junior national champ in 1M, 3M and Platform
 
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McCauley adds 1 for the 200IM, Bloom adds 2 for the 200 Fly, Frei adds 6 in the 200 Back, Knight is in the platform final tonight which is a guaranteed at least 11. 20 point day overall, pretty good.
 
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Believe Dramm scores 2 this morning and the team is guaranteed at least 10 in the 200 free pending any teams in the A final finishing below us.
 
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Looks like we're adding on 12/12.5/13 points today depending on how ties get resolved, Lunak T10 in the 200 Fly, Dramm 11th in the 200IM
 
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