I thought one of the UG coaches was also the teacher and gave the answers out , there is a distinct difference there . I don't know why people continue to name academic frauds as examples that have very little in common but overlook the one at Marshall that is almost identical . Marshall had athletes in fraudulent classes along with regular students and the NCAA hammered them anyway . The NCAA told Marshall that if not for the athletes the class wouldn't exist , despite regular students being involved .
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I'm not familiar with that case. What year was that? Was it under Pruitt or back before they became D1?
There are emails from, so called professors, asking what grade was needed to keep certain athletes eligible. So to answer your question , yes, please go from University to university and find anyone that is doing things that can be considered cheating. I feel confident that, with Calipari at the helm, UK is walking a straight line. We have to, Cal and UK are watched like a hawk.
Exactly, UNC has been CHEATING since Frank McGuire in the 50's and has gotten expert at the "Carolina Way"
Well define classes ? I guess if you actually had to meet once a week and you had test and term papers and a real professor teaching the class maybe that would be a class. None of those were nessary at UNCheat for this course of study , that 90 percent of their athletes and yes Roy the dad gum men's basketball team too ! we're steered to !
correct....that's the assumption of how the fight is going to play out....many feel like UNC's legal team can win if they can establish the fact that they WERE real classes, just easy ones...
Graded by a secretary and you have the nerve to use that as a legitimate class... You are a disgrace to college athletics and academic integrity. UNC***** has no integrity and 0 credibility. They have power and use that power to cheat. The NCAA is corrupt and is worthless as an institution except to line some rich people's pockets at the expense of college athletes many of whom UNC**** robbed of an education. #UNCCHEATS #NCAAisCORRUPT.
Georgia self reported the bogus class in 2003. That's the big difference. If UNC had self reported that the classes were bogus, the NCAA would have accepted it. UNC instead is saying the bogus classes were real.
SACS does not validate or invalidate classes as part of their sanctions. They can warn or probate a University until it comes back into compliance. If a University does not come back into compliance it may choose to terminate that universities' membership.
http://www.sacscoc.org/pdf/081705/SanctionPolicy.pdf
Only the University can do that and we know that UNC isn't going to do that because they are completely without ethics.
http://www.sacscoc.org/pdf/081705/SanctionPolicy.pdf
Only the University can do that and we know that UNC isn't going to do that because they are completely without ethics.
I think UNC agreed to SACS that the classes were "deficient" but by then had already instituted changes to remedy the situation. SACS did not go back and retroactively invalidate classes (that would have opened a huge Pandora's Box), so they put UNC on probation to see that all the "problems" were fixed going forward.
So basically, move along, nothing to see here The NCAA followed SACS' lead and also will do nothing.
The academic black eye by SACS had to piss off the faculty and those that actually care, but all agreed to put it behind them.
Well, not to split hairs, but instead of invalidating classes, they could have removed accreditation from the school for the academic irregularities. That, in turn, would have opened the aforementioned Pandora's Box. They chose the probation route.
I'll say it again. Thank you, Villanova, for knocking UNCheat out of a national championship. Can't imagine how sickening it would be for the Heels to skate holding another trophy.
So UNC admits to SACS that the classes were deficient, lacked oversight etc. and put in place measures to remedy the problems in order to retain their accreditation, yet to the NCAA they want to claim the classes were legitimate? Got it.
Sounds like they're speaking out of both sides of their ***.
Too bad the NCAA is probably corrupt and/or stupid enough to actually buy that line of BS. If so, then the NCAA's day of reckoning can't come soon enough.
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The NCAA is like Jim Comey. They know that the client they are investigating is guilty and should be severely punished, but they are both skating because both are above the law and untouchable. We have to live with it.
Yeah,that seems to be the case.As it became evident that nothing would happen to UNC because of their generations of cheating I came to the conclusion that it is best to just try and ignore that they exist in the world of college athletics. I wish every fan of college athletics(no matter what team they support) would do the same.If UNC plays your team don't go to or watch the game,schools will continue to schedule them( I wish they wouldn't for a year or two) but somehow the rest of college athletics needs to send a message to the NCAA.The message need to say loud and clear we know what you did in this case,it was wrong and we aren't going to forget it any time soon
I think Mitch Barnhart and every other athletics director should stop scheduling UNCheat. It would be very easy for all non-ACC schools to do this. I also think that the ACC schools, not named UNCheat should ban together to vote expulsion from the conference for that institution.
Let me give you a quick tip:
If an administrator (who has absolutely nothing to do with the teaching or classwork) is sitting in an office somewhere taking email requests for which grade to insert into a kid's academic record, that is not an easy class. That is a bogus class.
I added something to your post.
It completely boggles my mind that UNC has decided that lecture classes set up and overseen by a department secretary who only had an undergrad degree in a different field could never meet and still earn credits toward a UNC degree.
It also boggles my mind that some would call these "easy classes." Nobody who has an earned degree would ever call these "easy classes." I have several degrees but never ever had anything even close to this.
Just the "Carolina Way" in action lol !! I totally agree it is laughable that UNCheat can tell the SACS one story, and the worthless NCAA just the opposite and they see no issue with that. Real reason is because they choose to see nothing wrong that's why !
I have a question or two regarding the "lecture" classes. Wouldn't a lecture class, by definition, require a university approved teacher/professor? Wouldn't the approved teacher/professor, or an approved substitute, be required to actually perform his or her duties? Wouldn't that class, by definition, require some number of meetings in class for lecture? If said class never meets, did it actually happen? Not to mention class grades being handed out by non teacher/professor who was not authorized by the university to do so. Given those issues, regardless of anything else, how can that qualify as an actual class?
^^ technicalities are abound in this case , the obvious is ignored here in favor of video evidence and notary public proof . The days of using assumptions by the NCAA to bridge the gap in evidence has been temporarily suspended . But fear not as it will be reinstituted at an appropriate time .
I forgot to add the kicker. The whole reason they were designated as lecture classes was to intentionally circumvent university rules regarding independent study courses. A fraudulent non class from beginning to end.
How about the language classes that never met? I recall someone asking a player to say a word in Swahili and the player was unable to do so despite having a year of the language. Yep, pure fraud "from beginning to end."
Blatant evidence such as this is disregarded in their tireless search for iron clad proof via verified documentation .
I'm ashamed of all the humans involved with this laughable lie . UNC , NCAA and media are performing this ridiculous charade out in the open , never mind that we all know UNC cheated . What a joke college is if the people it produces are no better than common criminals or mafia .
I really am disgusted by the scum at NC and racketeers at the NCAA. They have taken a giant bowel movement on all of college basketball. This is so heinous that I struggle to find words to describe the corruption and degradation they have inflicted on division 1 basketball.
I have stated before and I will again, they are beneath us. We should not play them, even to the point of forfeiting games in both regular and post season. In fact, they are beneath every team (even UL which self penalized) and each team should treat them with similar contempt.
They have become the E. Coli of college basketball. It's time to sterilize and avoid contamination.
I have stated before and I will again, they are beneath us. We should not play them, even to the point of forfeiting games in both regular and post season. In fact, they are beneath every team (even UL which self penalized) and each team should treat them with similar contempt.
They have become the E. Coli of college basketball. It's time to sterilize and avoid contamination.
It's difficult to properly convey just how bad this pathetic scandal is but if I was pressed to sum up a description then I would say thief would do it . UNC has stolen history from college basketball , UNC's success and most of their accomplishments are nothing more than loot from a raid .
They don't deserve their false place in history , they're thieves . It's one thing to have a scandal and own up to it by taking on penalties , all schools have had that happen . But to not take any responsibility nor take on any penalties shows that the scandal truly represents their character . I'll never see UNC as anything other than a successful theft and unremorseful liar .
They don't deserve their false place in history , they're thieves . It's one thing to have a scandal and own up to it by taking on penalties , all schools have had that happen . But to not take any responsibility nor take on any penalties shows that the scandal truly represents their character . I'll never see UNC as anything other than a successful theft and unremorseful liar .
Yes this really sends a message to the youth of America, cheat , lie,cover it up as long as you can and when questioned deny and accept no responsibility for it !! That's a school that produces great leader for ya !