UNC files it's response
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Summary: The fake classes aren't ncaa violations because it's not the ncaa's job to regulate academics and the classes were open to all students, the violations that did occur (like impermissible help to students on assignments) are level 2 or 3, and these minor violations don't add up to lack of institutional control.
What a load of crap. So, basically, UNC says that academic fraud is beyond the authority of the NCAA, as given to them by the member schools. They also contend that since some non-athlete students took the class, that there was no extra benefits, or preferential treatment for student athletes. Of course they fail to mention the tremendously lopsided percentage of athletes taking the courses, as opposed to non-athletes. This is 70 plus pages of deny, deny, deny, and I'm sure the NCAA will realize the error of charging UNC in the first place. There is probably, a formal letter of apology coming from the NCAA, as we speak.
Bubba Cunningham: Just because academic irregularities didn't meet our standards doesn't mean it violates an NCAA bylaw.[poop][poop][poop]
Precedent is a *****.
So their argument, if accepted, means that:
- Schools can pay their athlete's if they also pay a few other "regular" students.
- Schools can give athlete's passing grades not earned if they do that to a few other "regular students".
- Athlete's at schools can start selling their image (autographs, ect...), if "regular" students are allowed to do that also.
- Schools can play kids who cheated on their SAT, if they also accept some "regular" students who cheated on their SAT.
So their argument, if accepted, means that:
- Schools can pay their athlete's if they also pay a few other "regular" students.
- Schools can give athlete's passing grades not earned if they do that to a few other "regular students".
- Athlete's at schools can start selling their image (autographs, ect...), if "regular" students are allowed to do that also.
- Schools can play kids who cheated on their SAT, if they also accept some "regular" students who cheated on their SAT.
There is probably, a formal letter of apology coming from the NCAA, as we speak.
A school that has been sanctioned should sue the NCAA for damages other member schools should refuse to play/schedule UNC. UK should find a reason not to play them this season,travel issues,safety concerns or maybe academic concerns due to players missing to much class time?
This was probably spoon fed to UNC by the NCAA.
"Hey, we have to take action, but when we do just say this. We will roll over."
"Hey, we have to take action, but when we do just say this. We will roll over."
I thought it was already established like 3 months ago that the NCAA isn't even charging mens bball with anything, so who cares really?
A school that has been sanctioned should sue the NCAA for damages.
NCAA is in bed with UNC and Duke. You sue the NCAA, it probably gets dismissed, and they come down on you twice as hard next time if you slip up.
NCAA is in bed with UNC and Duke. You sue the NCAA, it probably gets dismissed, and they come down on you twice as hard next time if you slip up.
If you really are putting Duke and UNC in the same category, you truly have no concept of what happened here.
Basically saying they've paid their dues for wrong doings with SACSCOC and NCAA bylaws don't apply in this case. [poop][poop][poop]
Can't wait to read UL's response for whoring.
Can't wait to read UL's response for whoring.
Cory Magette and Lance Thomas. Nuff said.
At leas tone non athlete attended /participated in the case of UL(even if that was parent of one of the athletes)so according to the NCAA it should be ok.
So, comparing decades of academic fraud to... What, a high school kid getting a couple of bucks unrelated to college, and a borderline pro maybe getting a loan for gaudy jewelry which was again not connected to college.
As I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. Stop downplaying what happened at UNC due to your bias and lack of understanding.
I didn't click the link but I am sure they didn't address the cars, custom mouth pieces, etc did they?
wrong...already sent, received and filedThere is probably, a formal letter of apology coming from the NCAA, as we speak.
As we speak, Pitino is loading up his minivan with a bunch of horny UL freshman students to take them to the local *****-house, so he can say, "see, we didn't do anything for these recruits that we don't do for non-athlete students".
Shouldn't the NCAA now stop monitoring any and all academic eligibility issues? No more clearing house? No more minimum HS GPA or entrance test scores? Give Memphis their vacated season and FF appearance back?
Perhaps it's best if the NCAA just get the hell out of enforcement of any kind and just sit back and count the money as it rolls in.
Perhaps it's best if the NCAA just get the hell out of enforcement of any kind and just sit back and count the money as it rolls in.
wow...who knew that 47% of the student population at UNC were scholarship athletes (specifically Basketball)? Don't they scholarship limits? The right people are going to hear about this.
and that 47% were on the dean's list?
What an outstanding institution
I guess I will be the one dissenting opinion here. First off, the NCAA has no business regulating the classes on campus. It is the institutions role to assure qualified courses are being taught. If a college fails to educate because of a bogus class, the students should demand action.
Second, if you have ever been on a college campus, you know there are certain classes that are "athlete" friendly. They may not provide answers, but the classes are simply easier. I do not want the NCAA coming on campus and telling me what I should/should not teach.
Thirdly, At the same time an English class at UK will be different than an English class EKU. Different instructions, requirements, books, expectations. By the way some of you are talking, you believe all classes should be the same.
If you think the NCAA has a position to monitor classes, the next step is monitoring assignments, standardize testing, etc.
As for any benefits, yes the NCAA should come down hard on UNC.
Second, if you have ever been on a college campus, you know there are certain classes that are "athlete" friendly. They may not provide answers, but the classes are simply easier. I do not want the NCAA coming on campus and telling me what I should/should not teach.
Thirdly, At the same time an English class at UK will be different than an English class EKU. Different instructions, requirements, books, expectations. By the way some of you are talking, you believe all classes should be the same.
If you think the NCAA has a position to monitor classes, the next step is monitoring assignments, standardize testing, etc.
As for any benefits, yes the NCAA should come down hard on UNC.
Dude, WOW, you really missed the point. Do,you think these athletes just magically knew that the AFAM classes were basically no show classes with easy grades or do you believe someone steered them to it. If it's the former, I'm not sure what to say, but if it's the later, which would be indicated by lopsided attendance, then someone was ensuring these athletes stayed eligible to compete in sports which the NCAA damn well should care about.
I still cannot wrap my mind around why other schools/coaches who have been hammered by the NCAA for things that do not even compare to a 10th of a percent of what happened at UNC arent just gushing to the media about how insanely preposterous this all is!!! Just like with politics, I am tired of coaches being politically correct!
Who's biased? Those two occurrences you mention would have been major violations anywhere else.
If they skate, I hope the other seats on that plane Cal took to the Drake concert last night were filled with stacks of $100 bills for '17 recruits.
There are literally no rules anymore if UNC isn't punished for this. Just include a few dozen random students and tell the NCAA to go touch themselves.
There are literally no rules anymore if UNC isn't punished for this. Just include a few dozen random students and tell the NCAA to go touch themselves.
you can tell who the two UNC fans are in this thread.
Its the two who completely miss the point.
Its the two who completely miss the point.
So let me get this straight. A kid can get a fake grade or score in high school and a college program , player, coach can all receive punishment or be deemed ineligible by NCAA
But you can take a fake class in COLLEGE get Fake grades and Not even show up to a college course and its out of NCAA jurisdiction
Makes sense.
But you can take a fake class in COLLEGE get Fake grades and Not even show up to a college course and its out of NCAA jurisdiction
Makes sense.
It seems to me that the message here, overwhelmingly, is that if a school doesn't self-report, then the NCAA is more than willing to not get involved. But, if it does self-report, especially on academic fraud, then the NCAA can pile on.
Self-reporting, though, requires a degree of integrity, a moral compass. Obviously, UNC and Duke don't have any integrity. Deny, don't cooperate, fight back; all tactics used successfully by them in cases that the vast majority of NCAA member institutions would never employ. Dude, you can abide by that, right??
Self-reporting, though, requires a degree of integrity, a moral compass. Obviously, UNC and Duke don't have any integrity. Deny, don't cooperate, fight back; all tactics used successfully by them in cases that the vast majority of NCAA member institutions would never employ. Dude, you can abide by that, right??
This is not about the NCAA overseeing academics on campus. This is about 18 years of academic fraud. Not about easy classes, but about classes that did not exist. Last summer UNC was put on probation by the Southern Association of Colleges, their accreditation agency, over this scandal. The NCAA could and should use that fact in their ruling and drop the hammer on UNCheat.
If the NCAA rules that they have no right to take action then it is "Game On!" for all members to do whatever they want to make sure the student athletes remain eligible. UK should just go ahead and award all student athletes straight As right now. Why bother having an athlete attend class at all if no one can do anything about it if you don't?
did the ncaa have the right to get into a criminal case like psu? cough cough hundreds of millions stolen.
The absolute head in the sand defense from Unc fans and any other person are undisputedly the dumbest, most asinine, illogical, simple minded, stupidest, most inept cognitive level of thinking that I have ever seen.
I'll write this really simple for the ones who don't get it. If this is out of the NCAA's jurisdiction, then what good and what use is the NCAA?!?!?! A school can't just go and make classes for athletes, throw in a few "normal" students for good measure and just walk away free of any wrong doing.
There really isn't a defense for what happened. If you are a fan of unc, please stop trying to make yourself believe what they're all telling you. It's a lie. They cheated. They know they cheated. The put regular students in classes on purpose. Mccants passed classes because someone else purposely cheated. They all cheated, they know it and are dumb enough to think people believe their garbage and arrogant enough to be mad and defensive when you don't.
I'll write this really simple for the ones who don't get it. If this is out of the NCAA's jurisdiction, then what good and what use is the NCAA?!?!?! A school can't just go and make classes for athletes, throw in a few "normal" students for good measure and just walk away free of any wrong doing.
There really isn't a defense for what happened. If you are a fan of unc, please stop trying to make yourself believe what they're all telling you. It's a lie. They cheated. They know they cheated. The put regular students in classes on purpose. Mccants passed classes because someone else purposely cheated. They all cheated, they know it and are dumb enough to think people believe their garbage and arrogant enough to be mad and defensive when you don't.
Don't forget Duhon's mom getting a cush job she had no qualifications for from a Duke alum so she could move to Durham and watch her son play for Duke. Tubby wasn't offering those accommodations....
