UCLA in their losses (Stats)

dnabbott25

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Formula to beating UCLA?? Basically, the games they lost they turned the ball over 14 to 17 times and the other team capitalized by scoring off of turnovers. And UCLA didnt shoot the ball as well.

Here's what they did wrong when they lost this year:

Oregon
basically an even game statistically.
UCLA had 14 turnovers, Oregon had 19 points off turnovers

ARIZONA
Arizona outrbounded UCLA 42-33
Arizona out shot UCLA 50% to 45%

USC
UCS outshot UCLA from 3 point range 42% to 30%
USC got a lot of points in transition by scoring almost every time UCLA turned the ball over.
UCLA had 17 turnovers.

ARIZONA
UCLA had 14 turnovers
UCLA shot 40.7% from the field (24-59) and made just 16% of its three-point field goal attempts (4-25). Both of those percentages were season-lows for the Bruins.
Arizona shot 50% overall and made 10 of 20 shots from three-point range
Arizona outrebounded
Arizona won this game during a stretch where they ran off six unanswered points while keeping the Bruins scoreless for over five minutes

AGAINST KENTUCKY EARLY THIS YEAR:
shooting%
UCLA 53
KENTUCKY 41%

3FG %
UCLA 43% (10 of 23)
KENTUCKY 33% (8 of 24)

Free throw %
UCLA 81% (17 of 21)
KENTUCKY 66% (18 of 27)
 

d2atTech

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Formula to beating UCLA?? Basically, the games they lost they turned the ball over 14 to 17 times and the other team capitalized by scoring off of turnovers. And UCLA didnt shoot the ball as well.

Here's what they did wrong when they lost this year:

Oregon
basically an even game statistically.
UCLA had 14 turnovers, Oregon had 19 points off turnovers

ARIZONA
Arizona outrbounded UCLA 42-33
Arizona out shot UCLA 50% to 45%

USC
UCS outshot UCLA from 3 point range 42% to 30%
USC got a lot of points in transition by scoring almost every time UCLA turned the ball over.
UCLA had 17 turnovers.

ARIZONA
UCLA had 14 turnovers
UCLA shot 40.7% from the field (24-59) and made just 16% of its three-point field goal attempts (4-25). Both of those percentages were season-lows for the Bruins.
Arizona shot 50% overall and made 10 of 20 shots from three-point range
Arizona outrebounded
Arizona won this game during a stretch where they ran off six unanswered points while keeping the Bruins scoreless for over five minutes

AGAINST KENTUCKY EARLY THIS YEAR:
shooting%
UCLA 53
KENTUCKY 41%

3FG %
UCLA 43% (10 of 23)
KENTUCKY 33% (8 of 24)

Free throw %
UCLA 81% (17 of 21)
KENTUCKY 66% (18 of 27)

we lost at the free throw line :(
 

KWilt43atbuzz

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We will need to take very good care of the basketball as we simply do not turn teams over that much.

It's not our style.

Cal wants hardnosed in your face D with little to no gambling and then let Willis or Bam rebound the miss.
 

fla.cat

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May 23, 2002
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Formula to beating UCLA?? Basically, the games they lost they turned the ball over 14 to 17 times and the other team capitalized by scoring off of turnovers. And UCLA didnt shoot the ball as well.

Here's what they did wrong when they lost this year:

Oregon
basically an even game statistically.
UCLA had 14 turnovers, Oregon had 19 points off turnovers

ARIZONA
Arizona outrbounded UCLA 42-33
Arizona out shot UCLA 50% to 45%

USC
UCS outshot UCLA from 3 point range 42% to 30%
USC got a lot of points in transition by scoring almost every time UCLA turned the ball over.
UCLA had 17 turnovers.

ARIZONA
UCLA had 14 turnovers
UCLA shot 40.7% from the field (24-59) and made just 16% of its three-point field goal attempts (4-25). Both of those percentages were season-lows for the Bruins.
Arizona shot 50% overall and made 10 of 20 shots from three-point range
Arizona outrebounded
Arizona won this game during a stretch where they ran off six unanswered points while keeping the Bruins scoreless for over five minutes

AGAINST KENTUCKY EARLY THIS YEAR:
shooting%
UCLA 53
KENTUCKY 41%

3FG %
UCLA 43% (10 of 23)
KENTUCKY 33% (8 of 24)

Free throw %
UCLA 81% (17 of 21)
KENTUCKY 66% (18 of 27)
 

fla.cat

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Formula to beating UCLA?? Basically, the games they lost they turned the ball over 14 to 17 times and the other team capitalized by scoring off of turnovers. And UCLA didnt shoot the ball as well.

Here's what they did wrong when they lost this year:

Oregon
basically an even game statistically.
UCLA had 14 turnovers, Oregon had 19 points off turnovers

ARIZONA
Arizona outrbounded UCLA 42-33
Arizona out shot UCLA 50% to 45%

USC
UCS outshot UCLA from 3 point range 42% to 30%
USC got a lot of points in transition by scoring almost every time UCLA turned the ball over.
UCLA had 17 turnovers.

ARIZONA
UCLA had 14 turnovers
UCLA shot 40.7% from the field (24-59) and made just 16% of its three-point field goal attempts (4-25). Both of those percentages were season-lows for the Bruins.
Arizona shot 50% overall and made 10 of 20 shots from three-point range
Arizona outrebounded
Arizona won this game during a stretch where they ran off six unanswered points while keeping the Bruins scoreless for over five minutes

AGAINST KENTUCKY EARLY THIS YEAR:
shooting%
UCLA 53
KENTUCKY 41%

3FG %
UCLA 43% (10 of 23)
KENTUCKY 33% (8 of 24)

Free throw %
UCLA 81% (17 of 21)
KENTUCKY 66% (18 of 27)

You left out turnovers.
UCLA had 17
UK had 9

They made up for that by shooting well from the floor and the free throw line.
 
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akaukswoosh

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Bruins had a total of 9 TOs in their first two NCAA games, which is phenomenal. Needless to say, UK has to make UCLA turn over the ball.
 

Randy Bob

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I watch a rerun of the game we lost at RUPP, Ky played a fair first half but there second half they played awful no defense, seems like UCLA got every lose ball, and the cats made all kind of turnovers and miss layup after layups..
 

kevcat

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Feb 26, 2007
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Formula to beating UCLA?? Basically, the games they lost they turned the ball over 14 to 17 times and the other team capitalized by scoring off of turnovers. And UCLA didnt shoot the ball as well.

Here's what they did wrong when they lost this year:

Oregon
basically an even game statistically.
UCLA had 14 turnovers, Oregon had 19 points off turnovers

ARIZONA
Arizona outrbounded UCLA 42-33
Arizona out shot UCLA 50% to 45%

USC
UCS outshot UCLA from 3 point range 42% to 30%
USC got a lot of points in transition by scoring almost every time UCLA turned the ball over.
UCLA had 17 turnovers.

ARIZONA
UCLA had 14 turnovers
UCLA shot 40.7% from the field (24-59) and made just 16% of its three-point field goal attempts (4-25). Both of those percentages were season-lows for the Bruins.
Arizona shot 50% overall and made 10 of 20 shots from three-point range
Arizona outrebounded
Arizona won this game during a stretch where they ran off six unanswered points while keeping the Bruins scoreless for over five minutes

AGAINST KENTUCKY EARLY THIS YEAR:
shooting%
UCLA 53
KENTUCKY 41%

3FG %
UCLA 43% (10 of 23)
KENTUCKY 33% (8 of 24)

Free throw %
UCLA 81% (17 of 21)
KENTUCKY 66% (18 of 27)
Sounds interesting, but they kicked our *** in our building, and turned the ball over 18 times.
I doubt they have 18 turnovers Friday.
The other thing I'm concerned about, is Ball played like crap, and they still had their way with us.
 
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barryn2000

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As much as I'd like to, I can't re-watch the UCLA game....it would ruin my buzz...maybe even turn me into a Debbie Doubter full of fear. I'm going to keep my high....Cat's will be hitting on all cylinders.

We got this!
 
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dnabbott25

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Dec 23, 2003
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We played bad in the 1st half. There was a stretch of about 4 minutes where they took the lead and built a lead and basically held on to it. We shot bad, played bad D, and missed a ton of layups. With all of that said, we missed 9 free throws and they missed 3.

If you can pack it in on them, and keep Ball from driving you can win. Ball drives, and then he either shoots or kicks it to 1 of the 2 wings on the baseline who shoot a 15 foot jump shot. Thats their game. Ball does not go out their to score 30. He basically strives for a double double around 10 points 10 assists. Hes not their main scorer, he is a facilitator. We should win this game.
 

dnabbott25

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Dec 23, 2003
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Ive been looking over UCLA losses. There not a whole lot to see other than 3 point field goals made. In most losses, UCLA doesnt hit alot of 3's. Not only does the other team hit more 3's, but UCLA doesnt hit as many as they usually do. So, hold UCLA to under 9 three pointers made and we win

Here are more stats.
Green = category that UCLA won
Red = category UCLA lost
Grey = rematch game when UCLA won the 2nd meeting (I only showed 3 pointers)


Oregon Loss (reg season)

Points in Paint: UCLA 32__Oregon 30
Points off turnovers: UCLA 13__Oregon 11
2nd chance points: UCLA 18__Oregon 16

Fast break points:UCLA 8__Oregon 10
Bench points: UCLA 14__Oregon 18
3 pointers: UCLA 10-31__Oregon 11-25

3 pointers: UCLA 9-24__Oregon 12-33 (in the win)


Arizona Loss (reg season)
Points in Paint: UCLA 32__Arizona 34
Points off turnovers: UCLA 13__Arizona 12
2nd chance points: UCLA 18__Arizona 24
Fast break points:UCLA 8__Arizona 8
Bench points: UCLA 14__Arizona 28
3 pointers: UCLA 10-31__Arizona 9-20
3 pointers: UCLA 8-26__Arizona 5-18 (in the win)

USC Loss (reg season)
Points in Paint: UCLA 42__USC 24
Points off turnovers: UCLA 11__USC 18
2nd chance points: UCLA 11__USC 8
Fast break points:UCLA 6__USC 9
Bench points: UCLA 17__USC 30
3 pointers: UCLA 6-20__USC 14-34

3 pointers: UCLA 10-20__USC 7-22 (in the win)

Arizona Loss (pac 12 tourney)
Points in Paint: UCLA 28__Arizona 32
Points off turnovers: UCLA 15__Arizona 14
2nd chance points: UCLA 6__Arizona 14
Fast break points:UCLA 7__Arizona 4
Bench points: UCLA 14__Arizona 7

3 pointers: UCLA 4-25__Arizona 10-20


All losses Totals:
3 pointers: 30-107 opponent 44-99
Bench points: 59 opponent 83
 

CincyUKFan

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Dec 1, 2009
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You left out turnovers.
UCLA had 17
UK had 9

They made up for that by shooting week from the floor and the free throw line.
Yes. OP left out the most significant statistic in the previous game relative to his argument.

The fact that they turned the ball over more in our game than in their losses is frightening. I doubt they give away that many possessions again.
 
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Dablueman

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They shoot their average, we lose.
Nothing else matters.
We shoot our average the first game we win despite not rebounding and playing bad defense. Bottum line they packed it in defensively and dared us to shoot outside. Mulder didn't play Willis and many others had been sick after the Bahamas trip so we were really limited three point shooting wise.
 

Larry Dixon

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Nov 19, 2006
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They shoot their average, we lose.
Nothing else matters.
Actually this statement is spot on. The game has to be won on the defensive end for Kentucky. It's really that simple. South Carolina prime example that it can be done. UK offense will be fine.
 

KentuckyStout

Heisman
Sep 13, 2009
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We aren't going to out shoot UCLA. They will hit some threes and they will drain all their free throws. We will hit some threes and brick 35% of our free throws.
We win this game with defense, by preventing dribble penetration and stifling their mid-range game. That is what killed us in Lexington.
 

Catzman

Heisman
Apr 29, 2002
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The more I think about it, the more we should have won that game earlier on. We were horrendous from the free throw line AND missed so many shots inside. They just had luck on their side that game I feel. They hit the shots they needed to and we missed ours. They were on fire and they barely beat us at home. They'll need that same performance to beat us tomorrow I feel. We won't miss those chippy shots inside and our mental fortitude at the line should be better than 60% as well. With Fox and Hawkins being threats from outside now, this game should be a lot more fun.
 

kyjeff1

Heisman
Sep 8, 2012
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I don't think there is much knowledge to gain from watching the December game, we know that UK is not the same team and we know that UCLA is better than they were in December, at least on defense.
UK is going to give themselves a chance to win at the end of the game. I firmly believe that.
 

bluedog79

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Stop the 3pt shot. Sell out to stop them from shooting it. Stay in Ball's face cuz he needs space to get his 'side winder shot' into the air. He makes it at a high clip if he gets space to size up a shot.
Holiday and Hamilton kill you from the 3 line. Gotta stop them too. They make big shots.
 

nickhorvathsuxazz

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Stop the 3pt shot. Sell out to stop them from shooting it. Stay in Ball's face cuz he needs space to get his 'side winder shot' into the air. He makes it at a high clip if he gets space to size up a shot.
Holiday and Hamilton kill you from the 3 line. Gotta stop them too. They make big shots.
H and H worry me more than the coach's boy.
 

nachosgrande

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Dec 12, 2005
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Couple thoughts from a Bruin:

- Rewatched the first game last night and it was shocking how poorly Lonzo played. Just a ton of unforced turnovers. At the 10 minute mark of the first half, UK was very close to running away with the game. The game turned with the insertion of Holiday and Ike Anigbogu into the lineup. They provided the physicality and athleticism UCLA needed to go toe-to-toe with UK. Holiday's aggressiveness signaled to his teammates "hey, we can play with these guys. let's stick it to them." Prior to that, UCLA looked flat out scared. Leaf followed his lead and started banging and flying in there for offensive rebounds, and UCLA "played its game" for the next 27 or so minutes (until the late meltdown). At the same time, UK lost its poise, poor shot selection and gambling on defense ensued and they made things pretty easy for UCLA during the middle portion of the game. I don't think we'll see that again from UK (nor do I think we'll see the Bruins turn it over as much either).

- Regarding UCLA's losses, the two Arizona losses were the games where I felt we were simply beaten by the superior team. Zona's perimeter athleticism with Allen, Alkins and Simmons just completely shut down our wing scorers. The big key was having an athletic defender shadow Alford all over the court. As great as Ball is, Alford is sort of the head of the snake when it comes to UCLA's offense. If he plays poorly, UCLA will be in trouble against UK. The USC loss was just a result of UCLA playing very sloppy and unfocused basketball. We turned it over a ton. Just ridiculous unforced errors and we didn't defend at all. IMO, it was hangover from the Arizona loss. Oregon game was an evenly matched well-played game that UCLA just sort of choked down the stretch. I don't recall them doing anything out of the ordinary to shut us down. They beat us because they outscored us that night and Welsh and Hamilton shot it poorly.

Bottom line: the code for beating UCLA is in the two Arizona losses. Pressure Alford and Hamilton and run them off the three point line and play Lonzo to pass.

edit: one last thing...Holiday is a very erratic player. He's kind of like our Briscoe in that he likes to drive out of control to the basket. He's a great three point shooter, but he often shows a poor feel for the game - driving when he should shoot or shooting when he should drive. drives me nuts at times. he was absolutely horrific in the USC and Arizona games in the Pac-12 tournament, but he's been "good" Holiday and fantastic during the NCAA tourney. If he reverts back to "bad" Holiday, UCLA is in major trouble. We don't beat UK in the first game without Holiday playing well, and we certainly won't beat an improved UK team tomorrow without a good game from him.
 
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AGAINST KENTUCKY EARLY THIS YEAR:
shooting%
UCLA 53
KENTUCKY 41%

3FG %
UCLA 43% (10 of 23)
KENTUCKY 33% (8 of 24)

Free throw %
UCLA 81% (17 of 21)
KENTUCKY 66% (18 of 27)
Makes you wonder how it was a game? The turnover totals help that explanation. Plus it was at home. Still.
 

Dablueman

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Unless we turn them over and shut 'em down on the backboard
In the first game they shot way above their average we shot 40 percent from 2 and 20 percent from 3 and lost by 5. We shoot anywhere near our average that first game we would have won. It wasn't their defense either it was Illness and fatique for some of our players and just poor shot selection from others. We shoot or rebound anywhere near the way we are now we win this game if monk gets Carolina hot we may win by double figures. This isn't even including our defensive improvement. This is with UCLA playing out their butts and hitting way above their percentage and us not the first game so it seems to me if we are improved in just a couple of areas like rebounding and pick and roll defense, or turn them over like we did the first game that if we combine that with average shooting we win this game
 

nachosgrande

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Dec 12, 2005
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In the first game they shot way above their average...This is with UCLA playing out their butts and hitting way above their percentage and us not the first game

UCLA shot right around their season average in the first game. (Actually, below their average leading up to that game). It was a pretty normal offensive performance by UCLA standards, maybe even a little subpar given the excessive turnovers. They put up 97 because UK allowed UCLA to play at their desired pace. If you want to see UCLA's offense at their best, queue up the Michigan tape from one week later. I was there in person and it was the most amazing offensive display I've ever seen in college basketball.
 

armchairpg

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I was going to say that if UK wins then the score will not be in the 90s. In UCLAs losses they scored, 75, 76 and 87. Coming into this season I never thought I would say we need to control tempo but I think in this game we do somewhat. Keep it in the high 70s or low 80s and we have plenty of offense to exceed that.
 

Dablueman

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I was going to say that if UK wins then the score will not be in the 90s. In UCLAs losses they scored, 75, 76 and 87. Coming into this season I never thought I would say we need to control tempo but I think in this game we do somewhat. Keep it in the high 70s or low 80s and we have plenty of offense to exceed that.
Not worried about what they were shooting then but their season averages. We're not going back in time and playing them then they shot a better percentage against UK than their season averages. If that average was higher in Dec than that means to pull the average from higher to lower then they are shooting worse now
 
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I actually believe this game is gonna be won or loss on offense.

Ucla is putting up points. I think we need to be realistic about that even with an improved Uk defense.

We are going to have to have a good shooting day to win this
 
May 27, 2007
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Not worried about what they were shooting then but their season averages. We're not going back in time and playing them then they shot a better percentage against UK than their season averages. If that average was higher in Dec than that means to pull the average from higher to lower then they are shooting worse now

They are shooting just as good in their conference games than they were in their non conference games.
 

fla.cat

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UCLA shot right around their season average in the first game. (Actually, below their average leading up to that game). It was a pretty normal offensive performance by UCLA standards, maybe even a little subpar given the excessive turnovers. They put up 97 because UK allowed UCLA to play at their desired pace. If you want to see UCLA's offense at their best, queue up the Michigan tape from one week later. I was there in person and it was the most amazing offensive display I've ever seen in college basketball.

I did a little math, UCLA had 8 games, at 52% prior to UK. They shot 53 vs. UK. So essentially the same, due to rounding off, I presume.

I thought it was interesting that TExasAM, held them to their lowest shooting percentages in their first 9 games, at 47%. TAM lost 74-67. That was UCLAs 7th outing, UK was their 9th.
 
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