UCLA and USC joining Big 10
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The interesting thing is could the SEC go to 20 as some speculated? I mean that is beyond ridiculous and a joke to me as you pretty much just have two conferences under one brand name umbrella at that point (hell, you already do) and trying to play everyone would take years in that scenario.
Walton is so stoned he won’t even know what conference he’s watching.
That’s the way folks were once predicting it would go. But now the SEC and Big Ten have picked so many of the best plums that I doubt the other two will ever be able to adequately match up …at least not in football, which is where the big money is. Who the hell can the PAC, B12 or ACC now add that gives them any hope of being competitive with the two lead dogs?
The new college sports power structure is increasingly looking like it‘ll be just two super conferences lording over everyone else.
Only football and men's basketball get premier travel arrangements. Every other sport is going to put their student athletes through the ringer.
OK Rutgers soccer, enjoy your bus ride to Los Angeles.
Only thing keeping the ACC together is the Grant of Rights that runs through 2036. Maybe Notre Dame joins full time and they will extend the GoR even longer?
In reality I expect all the big football schools and big public state schools to be in the SEC or B1G by 2036. Schools like duke and Wake Forest are as screwed as UConn was when the original Big East was raided.
In reality I expect all the big football schools and big public state schools to be in the SEC or B1G by 2036. Schools like duke and Wake Forest are as screwed as UConn was when the original Big East was raided.
They'd be a clear #3 behind the SEC and the Big 10, but if the ACC could ever convince Notre Dame to join as a full member, and maybe pull West Virginia from the Big 12, they'd be head and shoulders above anybody else out there.
This is interesting.
Now the PAC 12 and Big XII will need to figure out a way to combine in order to keep from being left out.
I always figured the Big XII would become the odd man out, but I don’t know now.
The PAC 12 lost its top two programs (at least I would think they were). Going to be hard to recover from that. How do they replace them?
Now the PAC 12 and Big XII will need to figure out a way to combine in order to keep from being left out.
I always figured the Big XII would become the odd man out, but I don’t know now.
The PAC 12 lost its top two programs (at least I would think they were). Going to be hard to recover from that. How do they replace them?
The Californication of the B10. Why risk scheduling anything in that messed up state. They probably still allow only parents with masks to watch basketball games in person.
Getting Gonzaga for basketball (and lawn tennis) would be a start.
Even with Notre Dame as a full member, the type of money they would be dishing out would still not be competitive with the SEC and Big Ten. That means they will continue to be ripe for poaching.
SEC should gobble up UNC, NC State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. I’d like Miami, Florida State, and Clemson but Florida and South Carolina would block it
The ACC doesn't want WVU. They'll implode before that. The ACC was created when a bunch of SoCon schools broke away and left WVU.
ACC needs to force Notre Dame to join full time. Then Cincinnati and Central Florida, though they aren’t great picks they are the best they’ll get.
I agree and it’s stupid . USC and UCLA have no rivalries with the Big 10 west. They have been rivals with Stanford, Arizona for decades. It’s ridiculous.
They should they are the best football program not on a power 5 conference. But the ACC is full of academic snobs.
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Yeah, I can see how this may eventually end up being what happens. A PAC/B12 merger into a new conference where only the eight most desirable members from each get an invitation, with the less desirable schools kicked to the curb.
This conference realignment game has become a brutally ruthless one.
Do you need a safe space Snowflake? Did people attempting to save lives during the Pandemic really hurt you so badly you need to rant about it on a conference expansion thread? Maybe you'd feel better back on 4Chan talking about non-existant pizza parlor basements and how the government is putting 5G in your vaccine?
And yet we have 60 years of evidence the ACC does not. Which is why WVU had to join a conference on the other side of the country when the Big East imploded. WVU is a mediocre school in one of the nation's poorest states, that is suffering from a drug epidemic and having all its natural beauty polluted by a handful of coal barrons. Their football team isn't good enough to overcome that. If it was, they would already be in the ACC, SEC, or B1G.
As someone who loves West Virginia, it breaks my heart to see the state of things there. But no one wants to send their teams there. No one wants to share revenue with them. No one wants to partner up for inter-conference academic research with WVU.
Not sure they have the votes to do that anymore with the addition of TX & OU. They could vote them in, even if SC & FL (And UGA because they don't want GA Tech let in, not that the SEC would want them lol) said no. I thought they only had to have a certain percentage...but who knows.
That said, I agree on 2 of the NC & VA schools...not sure which ones make the most sense. None of them other than VA Tech really add much in football name brand, but UNC & UVA in basketball would be great additions.
I just looked - Rugers is 10 miles from the Atlantic. UCLA is 5 miles from the Pacific. Holy ish.
If you want to figure out which schools will end up in the SEC and which will end up in the B1G, just look at the AAU members list.
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AAU schools like UNC and UVA would likely go to the B1G. Non-AAU schools like VT and NC State would likely go to the SEC. After 2036 of course.
The B1G has only ever made 1 exception for a non-AAU school, and while football and TV money drive everything, a large portion of that revenue goes towards inter-conference academic endeavors.
It's the reason Kansas will end up in the B1G even though they are a closer cultural fit with the SEC.
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AAU schools like UNC and UVA would likely go to the B1G. Non-AAU schools like VT and NC State would likely go to the SEC. After 2036 of course.
The B1G has only ever made 1 exception for a non-AAU school, and while football and TV money drive everything, a large portion of that revenue goes towards inter-conference academic endeavors.
It's the reason Kansas will end up in the B1G even though they are a closer cultural fit with the SEC.
Actually, they didn’t even make an exception. Nebraska had AAU academic status at the time it got invited to the Big 10, but lost it shortly afterward. Thus why some Big 10 academic snobs kinda feel like they were duped and it embarrassing that Nebraska has besmirched the conference academically.
But your point is accurate. The Big Ten takes the academic status thing more seriously. If they poach from the ACC, it’ll be one of the teams that has AAU status like Virginia, UNC or Georgia Tech …it won’t be an NC State, VT or FSU.
Right, VA and NC are culturally Southern so it only makes sense for the SEC to have all the Southeastern states. m
The future is a B10-SEC super league Where does that leave the leftovers? Do they create their own super conference? Join the FCS?
Oh the irony! A fan of a program that literally put a guy on the Dean's List who admits he never attended a single class or wrote a paper claiming some spot among the academic elite.If you want to figure out which schools will end up in the SEC and which will end up in the B1G, just look at the AAU members list.
Association of American Universities - Wikipedia
AAU schools like UNC and UVA would likely go to the B1G. Non-AAU schools like VT and NC State would likely go to the SEC. After 2036 of course.
The B1G has only ever made 1 exception for a non-AAU school, and while football and TV money drive everything, a large portion of that revenue goes towards inter-conference academic endeavors.
It's the reason Kansas will end up in the B1G even though they are a closer cultural fit with the SEC.
Hey Kerwin: Your school is the poster child for academic fraud and lack of academic honor or integrity. Rashad "Dean' List" McCants is the face on that poster.
This level of delusion convinces me more and more this guy is the former LexHeelFan - he of the infamous fantasy "Euro Model" girlfriend who got exposed and humiliated on the national board.
We don't have the power to do that.
North Carolina's state legislature, called the general assembly, is gerrymandered all to hell and likes to throw it's weight around. They select the UNC school system's Board of Governors, which in turn selects UNC-Chapel Hill's Board of Trustees. All power derives from that gerrymandered General Assembly. The only other UNC system school in the ACC is NC State, and the General Assembly will not allow UNC to abandon NC State if the ACC falls apart. So that is the only school UNC would ever force a conference to take. But my guess is the SEC would offer NC State a spot anyways to get into the NC television footprint, in the event UNC wanted to go to the B1G. As crazy as the General Assembly could be, there is at least some possibility they would force UNC and NC State to join the same conference, which really wouldn't make sense financially for the SEC and B1G.
Anyways, dook and Wake are screwed. Small private universities that don't perform well in football, aren't flagship universities, don't have huge alumni bases.
The SEC and Big 10 need to just break away from the NCAA and do their own thing. Both are powerful enough to do their own thing.
And if they wanted to compete with each other, that’s fine. A national championship between the SEC and Big 10 mega conferences would beat anything the NCAA could put out there (at least in football).
And if they wanted to compete with each other, that’s fine. A national championship between the SEC and Big 10 mega conferences would beat anything the NCAA could put out there (at least in football).
I think once they reach 40-48 schools total, that is the plan.
It would certainly suck for basketball. No more NCAA tournament. No more Cinderella schools. Just the same 40-48 teams playing every regular season and every post season. Schools like Duke, Wake, Uconn, Villanova, Gonzaga, Georgetown, Syracuse, and so many others we've come to know our whole lives would all be left in the NCAA, completely left out of the new organization formed by the SEC and B1G.
You'd have the current SEC and B1G teams, plus maybe a dozen more football schools and flagship public universities; and that would be it. Those would be the only programs you ever compete with in basketball anymore.
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March Madness will probably still include the leftover majors and mid-majors. Otherwise they’ll have to go back to 32 team tournament. And I definitely think the Big East will be included.
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Oh NCAA March Madness would still go on with whatever programs did not make the cut for the new SEC/B1G breakaway organization. I'm looking at it from the perspective of my team and the teams I'd expect to be in the SEC and B1G.
If you are in the SEC and B1G after they break away from the NCAA, you would have a tournament put on by that organization. It would not include any of the 310 schools that got left behind.
It can’t still include the “leftover majors and mid majors” if it’s an SEC/Big 10 led breakaway organization, because they wouldn’t be a member.
That’s something I’m not sure those who advocate “leaving the NCAA” fully understand. There would be no more NCAA tournaments for us. Instead, there would be two different tournaments, one for the members of this new “super conference” organization, and another NCAA tournament for the teams left behind that remained in the NCAA.
And all our prior NCAA titles wouldn’t be part of this new organization’s title count. We’d kinda be starting over from zero.
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This is far from over. Think NFL here. Two league set up. 50 or so total teams between the two with two or three divisions each. There will be the SEC and B10 and everyone else will be left out.
Even before this USC UCLA info the BIG10 was negotiating a multi year media rights deal at 1 billion dollars a year. The West Coast schools with the massive population exposure will only drive that number higher.
Even before this USC UCLA info the BIG10 was negotiating a multi year media rights deal at 1 billion dollars a year. The West Coast schools with the massive population exposure will only drive that number higher.
It would be like the schools who count Helms titles, or count NIT titles when it was still a major tourney. The title count would get muddied. You'd have people just generically saying "National Championships" and including whichever titles gives their school the biggest number. And then you would have the people who just want to count the new organization's Championships, the way people now only count NCAA titles.
Same for the schools who join new conferences. They start out at 0 in terms of conference championships and lose rivalries that date back nearly a century. But hey, billions of dollars into the coffers right?
Everything about this is going to suck, except for the money that goes into the pockets of a select few. It's kind of like today's Supreme Court ruling in favor of coal states that prevents the EPA from capping greenhouse emissions. Everything about it sucks, except for the billions of dollars that will end up in the pockets of the coal Barrons. Sure we'll see insane amounts of air pollution. Sure it sets a judicial precedent that will prevent regulation on coal ash dumping, water pollution, FDA regulations on safe food, regulations on medicine, regulations on lead in water pipes. Sure it drastically slows down our transition to renewable energy sources and nuclear. But hey, billions of dollars into the pockets of a select few is worth all we're giving up right?
It wouldn’t be. The same way that English premier league teams count titles from the First League years (which is now relegated 2nd tier after the Premier League was created as the 1st tier.) Or how college football programs count titles from the BCS and AP poll eras. I guarantee programs will still count NCAA titles. It would be ridiculous to not to.
They could do it now. The SEC has 16 and Big 10 has 16. That’s 32 teams, just like the NFL. As the NFL has figured out, at some point expansion is no longer necessary. Remember, you are bringing in more revenue, but the more teams, the smaller the piece of the revenue that you get. You only want to expand so much. You only add teams that add money. Expansion just to get to this number or that number might not be cost efficient. Plus, it waters down the competition. You want to put out a superior product than those you are competing with for viewers.