Tyson Acuff - incoming transfer

kcg88

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You get it

He's shot well from 3 before and shoots FTs very well. He's most likely a good 3 point shooter

We have every reason to believe his percentages will go up when he's taking wide open 3's after Dylan and Ace draw a double team vs chucking up bad forced 3's on a bad team where you are the defenses #1 focus

He will probably have his most efficient year on less volume. This is a very good pickup
Can/will Dylan and Ace find them and pass the ball is the key question for next season.
 

LeapinLou

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Only Rutgers fans would view the addition of a 20+PPG veteran scorer as a potential negative. Some of you guys are absolutely insufferable, and you know who you are.
Disagree. We have three very specific needs and this player does not fill any of them. If we had landed him as the 4th guy after we already had 3 guys filling those primary needs, I'd have a much rosier outlook.
 

Jerseylegends

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Disagree. We have three very specific needs and this player does not fill any of them. If we had landed him as the 4th guy after we already had 3 guys filling those primary needs, I'd have a much rosier outlook.
There's no one on the team currently...they need players in general...this guy would have been the best or second player on last years team. It's been said the staff is still recruiting transfer guards. They are rebuilding the entire roster it's a good start..
 

LeapinLou

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And we still have people ignoring he was a good 3 point shooter until last year. He's a good FT shooter too

Do people think he actually became a worse shooter? Or is it that he was jacking up a million shots on a bad team with no help and the defense focused on him?

Now imagine the quality of looks he will get with Ace Dylan JWill around him

Use some common sense people
Yeah, except it's not true. He has never been a good 3 point shooter. The year he was at 39% on 3 pointers, he averaged only 6 ppg. The following year when he averaged 14 ppg, he was under 35%.

I love the fact he can make free throws but he doesn't fill any of the primary needs:
- Starting Center
- 3 point shooter well over 35%
- wing that can shoot and defend

He's a fine use of Griffith's scholarship. But we still need to replace Cliff, Mag, and add a sniper.
 
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Scangg

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Nah dude - that’s not my MO. They say Martini is going to commit. I’m not as impressed with his numbers. Have trouble making sense of a 4 who only secures 3 rebounds a game. You’ll see I won’t “make excuses” as you call it, for that. I see him more as a role player at RU. I call it as I see it. Unless your Zach Edey dominant college player, 506 attempts means your forcing a ton.
3 rebounds a game when he was the starting 5 for Princeton... not good
 

Scangg

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Yeah, except it's not true. He has never been a good 3 point shooter. The year he was at 39% on 3 pointers, he averaged only 6 ppg. The following year when he averaged 14 ppg, he was under 35%.

I love the fact he can make free throws but he doesn't fill any of the primary needs:
- Starting Center
- 3 point shooter well over 35%
- wing that can shoot and defend

He's a fine use of Griffith's scholarship. But we still need to replace Cliff, Mag, and add a sniper.
Mid 30's is more than fine from 3. That would be amazing compared to recent years

Alloco or another guard and Martini are even better from 3

What does a center have to do with this at all? 🤣

His 3 point shooting will be fine. He can hit the mid range and is excellent finishing at the rim at 66%. These are all needs. Guards who can play is a huge need. This is a very good get. A veteran scorer to take pressure off Dylan and Ace, especially if they take a little time to adjust. If there are any injuries, he will have no problem stepping up into a bigger role
 

LeapinLou

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1. Mid 30's is more than fine from 3. That would be amazing compared to recent years

2. Alloco or another guard and Martini are even better from 3

3. What does a center have to do with this at all? 🤣

4. His 3 point shooting will be fine.

Points 1 and 4 - you are making assumptions based on what would need to be an improvement over the historical evidence.

Point 2 - exactly right. As I said, if this kid was signed AFTER we filled two spots with those two guys or similar, I'd feel better about it.

Point 3 - you just used up one of your 4 spots on a guy that's not a starting center, which is the biggest need. You better fill your 3 glaring needs with your 3 remaining openings.
 

AZBlues

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He wasn’t available for EMU’s last 3 games of the season, apparently due to an “undisclosed injury”. It would be good to know a little more about that, or if it had anything to do with his plans to enter the portal…
 

LeapinLou

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He wasn’t available for EMU’s last 3 games of the season, apparently due to an “undisclosed injury”. It would be good to know a little more about that, or if it had anything to do with his plans to enter the portal…
I had read it was a legitimate ankle issue, not sandbagging.
 

LeapinLou

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His stats are similar/slightly better to geo baker but weaker comp of course.

You could argue that Gaven Griffiths would put up numbers like Acuff if he was playing for EMU. Note GG's 25 points against BU. So your point is valid.

Geo is like Derek Jeter where the stats are not indicative of the value. I would take another Geo Baker any day.
 

bethlehemfan

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Sep 6, 2003
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You could argue that Gaven Griffiths would put up numbers like Acuff if he was playing for EMU. Note GG's 25 points against BU. So your point is valid.

Geo is like Derek Jeter where the stats are not indicative of the value. I would take another Geo Baker any day.
Me too.
 
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NJDOVES

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I love this get. We desperately need another penetrating guard who can go to the rim or dish. Watching his tape, he reminded me a little of Young. The first four wins when JWill was eligible it was due to him going to the basket. They should complement each other. I’m excited!
 

fluoxetine

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@fluoxetine Not really my expertise but taking a very, very quick glance at their stats last year it looks like EMU was quite bad talent-wise. Curious your thoughts?
Eastern Michigan was terrible but this guy seems to have been basically the only bright spot on their team. Had a good year even though he didn't shoot well from three. He's 33% from three for his career though and an 80% FT shooter. Looks good to me though he's not like an elite shooter or anything.
 

Mr. Magoo1

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Nov 15, 2001
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He wasn’t available for EMU’s last 3 games of the season, apparently due to an “undisclosed injury”. It would be good to know a little more about that, or if it had anything to do with his plans to enter the portal…
He had Mag-itis
 

bethlehemfan

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Eastern Michigan was terrible but this guy seems to have been basically the only bright spot on their team. Had a good year even though he didn't shoot well from three. He's 33% from three for his career though and an 80% FT shooter. Looks good to me though he's not like an elite shooter or anything.
I’m a little worried about the competition. He wasn’t great against name brand teams out of conference but maybe it was because he was the guy. Small sample size too so who knows. Never watched him play so hard to judge.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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You could argue that Gaven Griffiths would put up numbers like Acuff if he was playing for EMU. Note GG's 25 points against BU. So your point is valid.

Geo is like Derek Jeter where the stats are not indicative of the value. I would take another Geo Baker any day.
Lol - this has to be about the worst take ever on GG. Was BU the one and only game we played against MAC level talent to support this argument? How’d Gavin do against LIU? Stonehill? St Peters? Bryant? Howard? So in summary one could NOT argue, based on last year’s performance that GG would do anything close to 20+ ppg. He failed to even reach double digits in all 5 other games against mid major opponents.
 

LeapinLou

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Lol - this has to be about the worst take ever on GG. Was BU the one and only game we played against MAC level talent to support this argument? How’d Gavin do against LIU? Stonehill? St Peters? Bryant? Howard? So in summary one could NOT argue, based on last year’s performance that GG would do anything close to 20+ ppg. He failed to even reach double digits in all 5 other games against mid major opponents.
You're right. But the overriding point is that expecting Acuff to put up similar numbers in the Big 10 might not be fair.
 
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ClassOf02v.2

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Looks like an interesting pickup -- could be a solid piece; one of many needed.

Don't remember seeing his name before today's commitment. Was this all happening quietly under the radar? Or did I just miss it?
 
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Arizona Knight

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I’m a little worried about the competition. He wasn’t great against name brand teams out of conference but maybe it was because he was the guy. Small sample size too so who knows. Never watched him play so hard to judge.

Not sure if the analogy holds, but he was the #1 receiver who had to go against the opponents #1 CB. Now he will be the #3 (at best) going against their #3. Easier assignment.
 

Eagleton95.99

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It's always something to watch data miners explain themselves. This "had to have" happened. That should be taken "with a grain of salt." He wasn't the "go to player" and so he "wasn't in a position to force." He was shooting a lot in "garbage time. As if go-to players are destined to shoot badly. As if garbage time is well-known for its tight defense. This kind of "of-the-moment" logic can have you twisting yourself so much that you're arguing back into your own face.

It's OK to root for him coming in and being a huge help. I am. But I'm not sure why it's so difficult to acknowledge that the numbers, and not your fantastical mangling of them, mean that this guy is by no means a sure-shot. Posts like this just remind us that it's the off season (at least for RU) and here comes the off season logic.
It would be silly to ignore in your assessment the fact that he shot 36% and 39% in his two previous seasons when shooting somewhat lower volume.
 
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Eagleton95.99

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Points 1 and 4 - you are making assumptions based on what would need to be an improvement over the historical evidence.

Point 2 - exactly right. As I said, if this kid was signed AFTER we filled two spots with those two guys or similar, I'd feel better about it.

Point 3 - you just used up one of your 4 spots on a guy that's not a starting center, which is the biggest need. You better fill your 3 glaring needs with your 3 remaining openings.
Acuff would be a complete failure as our center. Or as a wing that can defend. And merely a B- as a 3 pt specialist shooting guard. But all reports are that he's not being brought in to fill those roles. Martini, Alloco, and Center are still in the works. So evaluate this guy for what he is supposed to be (a 6th man type) not based on the recruiting still yet to be done.
 
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willisneverrana43

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It would be silly to ignore in your assessment the fact that he shot 36% and 39% in his two previous seasons when shooting somewhat lower volume.
Where did I? Now, if you're asking whether I would focus on only those two years and not the other two, like you just did, no I won't do that.
 

NickRU714

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My main question is: will this guy be closing games?
He seems to be a better (though unproven at this level) JWill?

If so, would we need both on the floor the final 8min of a game?
JWill, Dylan, Acuff, Ace, Center?
Or would a bigger, better rebounding option be on the floor?
 

RutgersClassof2004

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I’m a little worried about the competition. He wasn’t great against name brand teams out of conference but maybe it was because he was the guy. Small sample size too so who knows. Never watched him play so hard to judge.
He's probably at best "a good start." Nothing spectacular. To make a deep tournament run I have qualms that this sort of caliber player is what we need. Maybe nice off bench. Certainly better than many who hit portal.
 

BillyC80

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6’4’’ shooting guard that shot 29% from 3?

I will trust Pike, but……..
You’ll notice he played too many minutes for EMU, averaging almost 38 minutes per game. With more intermittent rest I’m sure his 3pt shooting percentage will improve, especially in the second half of games.

Also, with our other scoring options on the floor in Ace and Dylan, he won’t need to take as many threes, but he will always be a threat from deep that will have to be accounted for. He is a prolific scorer and money from the FT line.