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OleFastball

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Support for Joes war in Ukraine is fading fast.

Tulsi:
"I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party that is now under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness," Gabbard said "who divide us by racializing every issue & stoke anti-white racism, actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms, are … hostile to people of faith & spirituality, demonize the police & protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans, believe in open borders, weaponize the national security state to go after political opponents, and above all, dragging us ever closer to nuclear war."

"I believe in a government that is of, by, and for the people. Unfortunately, today’s Democratic Party does not. Instead, it stands for a government of, by, and for the powerful elite. I’m calling on my fellow common sense independent-minded Democrats to join me …. in leaving the Democratic Party. If you can no longer stomach the direction that so-called woke Democratic Party ideologues are taking our country, I invite you to join me."
 

dpic73

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Support for Joes war in Ukraine is fading fast.

Tulsi:
"I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party that is now under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness," Gabbard said "who divide us by racializing every issue & stoke anti-white racism, actively work to undermine our God-given freedoms, are … hostile to people of faith & spirituality, demonize the police & protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans, believe in open borders, weaponize the national security state to go after political opponents, and above all, dragging us ever closer to nuclear war."

"I believe in a government that is of, by, and for the people. Unfortunately, today’s Democratic Party does not. Instead, it stands for a government of, by, and for the powerful elite. I’m calling on my fellow common sense independent-minded Democrats to join me …. in leaving the Democratic Party. If you can no longer stomach the direction that so-called woke Democratic Party ideologues are taking our country, I invite you to join me."
Good riddance. That bizarre loon was never a Democrat in the first place.

Also, the line you bolded is the opposite of MAGA doctrine.
 

Willence

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Good riddance. That bizarre loon was never a Democrat in the first place.

Also, the line you bolded is the opposite of MAGA doctrine.

You're not correct about this. Perhaps you should get past the Trump part of it (which is hard I know given what an absolute *** he is) and recognize the reality of what a lot of these people want and why they were drawn to Trump. Trump needs to go away but the millions of Americans who want a government that isn't trying to control the people and everything they do are people we should duly consider.
 

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You're not correct about this. Perhaps you should get past the Trump part of it (which is hard I know given what an absolute *** he is) and recognize the reality of what a lot of these people want and why they were drawn to Trump. Trump needs to go away but the millions of Americans who want a government that isn't trying to control the people and everything they do are people we should duly consider.
Is restricting abortion not trying to control people? Along with the general moral crusade of the religious right
 
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You're not correct about this. Perhaps you should get past the Trump part of it (which is hard I know given what an absolute *** he is) and recognize the reality of what a lot of these people want and why they were drawn to Trump. Trump needs to go away but the millions of Americans who want a government that isn't trying to control the people and everything they do are people we should duly consider.
When we are talking about the MAGA doctrine are we not talking about Trump? He is the MAGA King and he doesn't care what the people want - especially not the majority, unless it benefits him.
 

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Independent or is she joining the yang gang?
Considering her MAGA talking points, doubt she would go Yang.

FWIW, Yang gang isn't a thing anymore. He took a back seat even within the Forward Party. That party merged with a never trumper party and and a centrist party and he is no longer the figure out like he was for the Yang gang. He continues to promote the forward party though, he recently had a super interesting discussion with a guy who wrote a book about where liberalism **** the bed.

"Frank writes that earlier popular movements began as attempts to have liberalism live up to its own ideals to include, for example, the rights of women, African Americans, the LGBTQ+ community and others. Most prominently, the Civil Rights movement was about reforming institutions to include those that they should have included decades earlier. These were positive movements that helped institutions advance and evolve.

These movements on the left, however, have more recently morphed and shifted to instead assail institutions as irredeemably racist or biased and unable to address prevailing inequities. Instead of seeking equal treatment while accepting the institution’s ability to improve, the new approach is to attack and undermine and leave little hope for progress. "

The latter part is what is so frustrating to so many people and a big reason why, IMHO, MAGA has risen. It takes two to tango, and when the left is entirely unwilling to compromise, the right radicalized and became unwilling to compromise either.

Funny enough, if you look at the classical definition of liberalism, I bet you many on the MAGA side would agree, they just want the right to be left alone

"[Classical] liberalism lowers the temperature of politics by taking questions of final ends off the table: you can believe what you want, but you must do so in private life and not seek to impose your views on your fellow citizens . . . the most fundamental principle enshrined in liberalism is one of tolerance: you do not have to agree with your fellow citizens about most important things, only that each individual should get to decide what they are without interference from you or the state"
 

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Is restricting abortion not trying to control people? Along with the general moral crusade of the religious right
I don't support the religious right.

I separate that from abortion though. One can be non-religious and still not support abortion.

Restricting abortion is not restricting someones rights in my opinion. Since when does anyone have a "right" to end the life of another?

Personally, I support the pro-choice position, but i think its a 50-50 issue. Those who feel strongly on the abortion debate kind of baffle me. Its a lose - lose issue.
 

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When we are talking about the MAGA doctrine are we not talking about Trump? He is the MAGA King and he doesn't care what the people want - especially not the majority, unless it benefits him.
Thats why you aren't MAGA, because you clearly don't have the mental capacity to understand it. You only understand what CNN and MSNBC lie to you about.
 
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Love the lady

She looks killer hot in a bikini if I may digress

Thank you mam for calling out the hate mongering racists anti police elitest power hungry liberals and Democrats who have left being a Constitutional Americans who follow a Republican Form of elected government

That is Republican form of goverment and not by Republicans

there is a massive difference

Good for you girl as you have seen the light

There are Latino elected officials all over the country leaving the Democrats

the Democrats are bleeding Red from every orifice

Go Red Wave
 

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Interesting to see the Democratic Party split into two factions in a few years. The Democratic Socialists and the Democratic - "Just because my district is that way" party.
 

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Interesting to see the Democratic Party split into two factions in a few years. The Democratic Socialists and the Democratic - "Just because my district is that way" party.
To be fair the republicans have split also. The traditional republicans and the MAGA republicans
 

Willence

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When we are talking about the MAGA doctrine are we not talking about Trump? He is the MAGA King and he doesn't care what the people want - especially not the majority, unless it benefits him.

MAGA is his term to be sure. But what led people to support him doesn't belong solely to him. If you dig deeper it becomes clear Trump is an enormous middle finger pointed at the elite power struture for many of these people.
 

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Interesting to see the Democratic Party split into two factions in a few years. The Democratic Socialists and the Democratic - "Just because my district is that way" party.
Not just the dem but pubs also. TBH its ruling class vs populist. Ruling class dems/pubs vs populist dems/pubs, MAGA vs Corp's....
 

dpic73

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MAGA is his term to be sure. But what led people to support him doesn't belong solely to him. If you dig deeper it becomes clear Trump is an enormous middle finger pointed at the elite power struture for many of these people.
We get it. Owning the Libs is more important than anything else. Chaos is welcomed. Sigh
 

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As I have said, once a person realizes it is a human life in the womb then they understand that abortion is murder. Murder is something we have decided isn't good and should be illegal.
It's not as trivial of an argument as you make it out to be. It's not clear whatsoever to me that the interests of a 4 week year old embryo outweigh those of the mother, nor that the embryo is as human as you or me. You think a woman that miscarries is guilty of involuntary manslaughter?
 

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As I have said, once a person realizes it is a human life in the womb then they understand that abortion is murder. Murder is something we have decided isn't good and should be illegal.
So under no circumstances should a woman be allowed to have an abortion???
 

nytigerfan

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As I have said, once a person realizes it is a human life in the womb then they understand that abortion is murder. Murder is something we have decided isn't good and should be illegal.

What if it's self defense?
 

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I believe the time request for an abortion should be more aligned with the standards found in Europe, mostly 10-18 weeks or so (would say looking at this information I'd say an average of ~15 weeks) but also rape, incest, and motherly harm/death/risk of death exceptions. Really think this is largely in the middle of the two extremes - abortion up to birth with 0 restrictions for the far left, zero abortions whatsoever for the far right.

Find the middle ground. Now don't roast me too bad folks, but thoughts?
 

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I believe the time request for an abortion should be more aligned with the standards found in Europe, mostly 10-18 weeks or so (would say looking at this information I'd say an average of ~15 weeks) but also rape, incest, and motherly harm/death/risk of death exceptions. Really think this is largely in the middle of the two extremes - abortion up to birth with 0 restrictions for the far left, zero abortions whatsoever for the far right.

Find the middle ground. Now don't roast me too bad folks, but thoughts?
I largely agree. So you would assert that aborting a 4 week old embryo isn't ethically the same as shooting your neighbor?
 
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He's a fvcking mega-corrupt criminal. Remember when things like that mattered?
No, honestly I don’t. It’s been going on for decades, is going on now, and nobody gives a **** unless it’s Trump. For some reason the left and RINO’s are cool with whatever, as long as Trump is out of the way

You guys don’t give a single **** about corruption
 

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I largely agree. So you would assert that aborting a 4 week old embryo isn't ethically the same as shooting your neighbor?
Indeed; particularly because most women do not even know they are pregnant till what, 6-10 weeks or so? some where in that range I think
 
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No, honestly I don’t. It’s been going on for decades, is going on now, and nobody gives a **** unless it’s Trump. For some reason the left and RINO’s are cool with whatever, as long as Trump is out of the way

You guys don’t give a single **** about corruption
Sure man, the corruption you invent is the exact same as the corruption Trump does out in the open.

Our side is just so good at it we can fake 10 million votes and no one is the wiser. That's because we're just smarter and know how to hide ours better.
 
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Outside of rape (actual rape, not a "mistake" thar she made and is ashamed of) the solution for abortion is...if BOTH "parents" want the abortion, then they are allowed to take their own lives in order to terminate the baby...if ONE parent wants the child, then it should be carried to term and THAT parent is responsible for the child...

Make ppl accountable for their decisions and actions, and the problem is solved...
 

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I believe the time request for an abortion should be more aligned with the standards found in Europe, mostly 10-18 weeks or so (would say looking at this information I'd say an average of ~15 weeks) but also rape, incest, and motherly harm/death/risk of death exceptions. Really think this is largely in the middle of the two extremes - abortion up to birth with 0 restrictions for the far left, zero abortions whatsoever for the far right.

Find the middle ground. Now don't roast me too bad folks, but thoughts?

This is the most logical political and legal position and I’ve been saying it for some time. There is majority consensus on that approach and I’ve posted detailed stats - including on the dem side - that support it.

I don’t think either side actually wants to fix it though. Dems are using it hard to drive voter turnout, so why fix the problem? Our politicians are mostly pieces of **** who care about the political football more than solving problems.
 

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I believe the time request for an abortion should be more aligned with the standards found in Europe, mostly 10-18 weeks or so (would say looking at this information I'd say an average of ~15 weeks) but also rape, incest, and motherly harm/death/risk of death exceptions. Really think this is largely in the middle of the two extremes - abortion up to birth with 0 restrictions for the far left, zero abortions whatsoever for the far right.

Find the middle ground. Now don't roast me too bad folks, but thoughts?
Can you please point to a democratic leader or nominee that has said they want zero restrictions on abortion? Or even the constant unfounded claim that “the left wants to permit abortions up to the day of birth” will do. Allowing for late term abortion when the mother or child are at risk for death or serious injury/disablement is not the same as wanting abortions to be available to healthy mothers and fetuses up until they breach the womb.
I don’t mean to sound condescending, I just thoroughly hate that talking point
 

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Can you please point to a democratic leader or nominee that has said they want zero restrictions on abortion? Or even the constant unfounded claim that “the left wants to permit abortions up to the day of birth” will do. Allowing for late term abortion when the mother or child are at risk for death or serious injury/disablement is not the same as wanting abortions to be available to healthy mothers and fetuses up until they breach the womb.
I don’t mean to sound condescending, I just thoroughly hate that talking point
Ive posted that video a couple times now so not going to keep doing it if your always going to ignore it...





 
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This is the most logical political and legal position and I’ve been saying it for some time. There is majority consensus on that approach and I’ve posted detailed stats - including on the dem side - that support it.

I don’t think either side actually wants to fix it though. Dems are using it hard to drive voter turnout, so why fix the problem? Our politicians are mostly pieces of **** who care about the political football more than solving problems.

Our politicians are mostly pieces of **** who care about the political football more than solving problems.

This is the same reason the pubs have no desire to introduce legislation to change our immigration asylum laws. They have convinced - and enraged - 90% of this board to believe that Joe Biden implemented an open border policy. That's political gold baby!
 
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What a dishonest clip. The title gives you the impression that Ryan was left speechless when they don't even show his reply. If you really believe that Vance somehow won this debate, your head is in your *** because Ryan took so much of his candy, it shoulda been a crime.





 
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