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mjj_2K

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Originally posted by .S&C.:
Sometimes I wonder the age of the "hardened tubby defender" and if they were fans or even alive back then. Tubby should get a jersey imo and adds to our legacy (his tenure was not rosy however). But to stand up and defend him like he actually did what the job requires the last 5 years is a complete lie. But hey, if these people were actually fans at that time, they know that already. I've been around long enough to know the biggest tubby defenders have either

A: agenda. Race related.
You've got that right, but you've got it reversed.

The constant mocking of all things Tubby by a certain set of people, the total inability to let go of something that's now completely irrelevant to the current state of UK basketball, has A LOT to do with race. Some people think that Tubby was just an affirmative action hire who was unworthy of ever getting the job in the first place (false from any objective historical standard). So now they can bring up every failing of Tubby as a way of saying "see, see, see, see, I was right all along". It goes beyond his merits as a coach, and indirectly involves them trying to justify a broader political view. The same views that probably make them hate John Thompson, John Chaney, Nolan Richardson, and currently, Mike Anderson. The word "thug" tends to get thrown around a lot by these people, and they never stop to question the (stunning) coincidence that they seem to harbor a large amount of bitterness towards pretty much every black coach who's succeeded on a national stage or ever presented any kind of threat to UK (externally, or, in Tubby's case- at least as they see it- internally).

I was on this board's predecessor for years expressing doubts about Tubby's long-term viability at UK, starting at a time when that was very much a minority view. I am keenly aware that there were many, many people for whom race had nothing to do with anything when it came to criticizing Tubby. However, I never tried to pretend that it wasn't a factor for some, and I'm not really sorry at all if that makes certain people uncomfortable. It will always be a factor. Deal with it. And it's especially going to be up for debate when someone can't let go 8 years later.
 

Ghost_of_Rupp

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Originally posted by mj2k10:

Originally posted by .S&C.:
Sometimes I wonder the age of the "hardened tubby defender" and if they were fans or even alive back then. Tubby should get a jersey imo and adds to our legacy (his tenure was not rosy however). But to stand up and defend him like he actually did what the job requires the last 5 years is a complete lie. But hey, if these people were actually fans at that time, they know that already. I've been around long enough to know the biggest tubby defenders have either

A: agenda. Race related.
You've got that right, but you've got it reversed.

The constant mocking of all things Tubby by a certain set of people, the total inability to let go of something that's now completely irrelevant to the current state of UK basketball, has A LOT to do with race. Some people think that Tubby was just an affirmative action hire who was unworthy of ever getting the job in the first place (false from any objective historical standard). So now they can bring up every failing of Tubby as a way of saying "see, see, see, see, I was right all along". It goes beyond his merits as a coach, and indirectly involves them trying to justify a broader political view. The same views that probably make them hate John Thompson, John Chaney, Nolan Richardson, and currently, Mike Anderson. The word "thug" tends to get thrown around a lot by these people, and they never stop to question the (stunning) coincidence that they seem to harbor a large amount of bitterness towards pretty much every black coach who's succeeded on a national stage or ever presented any kind of threat to UK (externally, or, in Tubby's case- at least as they see it- internally).

I was on this board's predecessor for years expressing doubts about Tubby's long-term viability at UK, starting at a time when that was very much a minority view. I am keenly aware that there were many, many people for whom race had nothing to do with anything when it came to criticizing Tubby. However, I never tried to pretend that it wasn't a factor for some, and I'm not really sorry at all if that makes certain people uncomfortable. It will always be a factor. Deal with it. And it's especially going to be up for debate when someone can't let go 8 years later.
Tubby was inept. But to beat that dead horse this many years later for no apparent reason other than to mock him certainly calls into question the motives for the animus at this point.
 

barryn2000

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Originally posted by UK3Pointer:

Tubby was inept. But to beat that dead horse this many years later for no apparent reason other than to mock him certainly calls into question the motives for the animus at this point.
You still don't get it...ditto some of the other superfriends in this thread.

You are the ones being mocked.

The only value a Tubby thread has is watching the tantrum.
 
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anon_hvdd36eg5u05l

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Jesus. A tubby thread gets brought up what, once or twice a week tops on this board? It was a joke. This board isn't raking tubby over the coals on an hourly basis, and they're not making fun of some vague ineptness because their true motive is racist. THEYRE MAKING FUN OF HIS RECRUITING. Some of you guys just look for something to get up on a soapbox and ***** about.
 

Violent Cuts

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Anyone that makes fun of Tubby while UK is 38-0 and still playing is a pathetic loser. You suck as a fan - it's been 8 years since he coached here and you somehow make yourself feel better by laughing at his demise.
 
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anon_hvdd36eg5u05l

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Originally posted by Vandalayindustries:
Anyone that makes fun of Tubby while UK is 38-0 and still playing is a pathetic loser. You suck as a fan - it's been 8 years since he coached here and you somehow make yourself feel better by laughing at his demise.
 

GonzoCat90

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Originally posted by Roundballaddict:

Jesus. A tubby thread gets brought up what, once or twice a week tops on this board?


Some of you guys just look for something to get up on a soapbox and ***** about.
1. That's kind of the point. A couple threads a week about a guy who hasn't coached here since I was legally allowed to drive a car?

2. Like a former coach who won a title and left on his own accord to jobs that better suited him?
 

barryn2000

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Originally posted by GonzoCat90:

Originally posted by Roundballaddict:

Jesus. A tubby thread gets brought up what, once or twice a week tops on this board?


Some of you guys just look for something to get up on a soapbox and ***** about.
1. That's kind of the point. A couple threads a week about a guy who hasn't coached here since I was legally allowed to drive a car?

2. Like a former coach who won a title and left on his own accord to jobs that better suited him?
So, former coaches should not be discussed here?

Seems a bit overboard...when it's really just the tender feeling of handful of posters and not about former coaches that's the problem.
 

barryn2000

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Originally posted by Roundballaddict:

Jesus. A tubby thread gets brought up what, once or twice a week tops on this board? It was a joke. This board isn't raking tubby over the coals on an hourly basis, and they're not making fun of some vague ineptness because their true motive is racist. THEYRE MAKING FUN OF HIS RECRUITING. Some of you guys just look for something to get up on a soapbox and ***** about.
There is a lot of backstory and history to this issue...goes back to mid 2000's.

short version....Mod's used to lock or delete tubby threads. If the OP title was critical, almost always, if not...the tubby lovers would blow up the thread to get it locked. Old habits die hard....so FF to today, some posters still try and have a hissy fit to blow up the thread...take it to the gutter, get it locked or embarrass people into not posting.

Nobody comes unglued when Rupp, Hall, Sutton, Pitino, BCG are discussed....it's not about the coach, it's about the tender feelings of a small vocal handful of members here. If they didn't freak out....the threads would drop off the page.
 

gakat3

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Originally posted by GonzoCat90:

Originally posted by Roundballaddict:

Jesus. A tubby thread gets brought up what, once or twice a week tops on this board?


Some of you guys just look for something to get up on a soapbox and ***** about.
1. That's kind of the point. A couple threads a week about a guy who hasn't coached here since I was legally allowed to drive a car?

2. Like a former coach who won a title and left on his own accord to jobs that better suited him?
It appears your point number 2 is well taken. He 'left on his own accord to jobs that better suited him'. Yes he did, left in the middle of the night to a five year stint in the Big Ten and never had a winning conference record. And then went the great state of Texas to lead Texas Tech to three more years of never having a winning conference record. So eight years and he definitely 'left to jobs that better suited him. Well said.
 
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anon_hvdd36eg5u05l

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Originally posted by GonzoCat90:

1. That's kind of the point. A couple threads a week about a guy who hasn't coached here since I was legally allowed to drive a car?

2. Like a former coach who won a title and left on his own accord to jobs that better suited him?
Frankly I think one thread a week about tubby is a generous estimation. Moreover, one thread a week is NOTHING on this board. Take a look at the front page. It's only 10:30 AM. If you didn't start your thread today, your post is already gone. Sorry, that doesn't come close to warranting the upset some have displayed. Sure, if there are posters just trashing tubby out of the blue for no specific reason, or if there's one poster in general who routinely targets tubby, maybe be miffed at them. As it stands, the op posted a funny/ clearly ironic article, and most of the ensuing posts were pretty light hearted (until other posters started getting "offended" that there isn't a rule on this board banning the occasional joke about tubby.)

not really sure what you mean by point 2.
 
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anon_hvdd36eg5u05l

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Originally posted by barryn2000:

There is a lot of backstory and history to this issue...goes back to mid 2000's.

short version....Mod's used to lock or delete tubby threads. If the OP title was critical, almost always, if not...the tubby lovers would blow up the thread to get it locked. Old habits die hard....so FF to today, some posters still try and have a hissy fit to blow up the thread...take it to the gutter, get it locked or embarrass people into not posting.

Nobody comes unglued when Rupp, Hall, Sutton, Pitino, BCG are discussed....it's not about the coach, it's about the tender feelings of a small vocal handful of members here. If they didn't freak out....the threads would drop off the page.
Got it. I'm sure there are tubby threads that go over the line occasionally (just like there are Pitino threads, bcg threads, etc. that do the same). This one just seems like such a soft one to get so riled up about.
 

GonzoCat90

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Originally posted by barryn2000:
So, former coaches should not be discussed here?

Seems a bit overboard...when it's really just the tender feeling of handful of posters and not about former coaches that's the problem.
If there's something to be discussed, sure. That's what my initial reply was about. I don't see what's left to discuss about Tubby Smith. Is THIS the example that shows he was a poor recruiter? Was there someone on the fence about that? Who are you trying to convince, what are you trying to still convince them of that everyone doesn't already know, and why does it matter when he's been gone since before anyone on our current team graduated middle school?

I'm not sure how tender anyone's feelings are about something so old. I was young, but even I wanted Tubby gone before he actually left, and anyone who for whatever reason felt he should stay or whatever has surely seen where our program is now compared to his career trajectory since leaving.

Feel free to start threads with scientific evidence of gravity. I just don't see the point.
 

preacherfan

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Originally posted by GonzoCat90:


Originally posted by barryn2000:

So, former coaches should not be discussed here?

Seems a bit overboard...when it's really just the tender feeling of handful of posters and not about former coaches that's the problem.
If there's something to be discussed, sure. That's what my initial reply was about. I don't see what's left to discuss about Tubby Smith. Is THIS the example that shows he was a poor recruiter? Was there someone on the fence about that? Who are you trying to convince, what are you trying to still convince them of that everyone doesn't already know, and why does it matter when he's been gone since before anyone on our current team graduated middle school?

I'm not sure how tender anyone's feelings are about something so old. I was young, but even I wanted Tubby gone before he actually left, and anyone who for whatever reason felt he should stay or whatever has surely seen where our program is now compared to his career trajectory since leaving.

Feel free to start threads with scientific evidence of gravity. I just don't see the point.
I won't comment on the Tubby stuff at all. But, I have to say that the threads that are so overdone on this board are the Pitino threads. Yeah, I realize he coaches down the road at the school that most consider our most hated rival. But, a thread on EVERY single thing he says just seems a bit obsessive to me.
 

GonzoCat90

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Originally posted by preacherfan:
I won't comment on the Tubby stuff at all. But, I have to say that the threads that are so overdone on this board are the Pitino threads. Yeah, I realize he coaches down the road at the school that most consider our most hated rival. But, a thread on EVERY single thing he says just seems a bit obsessive to me. I agree, but they're at least relevant in that he coaches our main rival. Now, the discussion in them is usually pretty tiring and repetitive, but I can at least understand the interest, however obsessive and petty it may come across.

The Sextino, etc. stuff is
, but that's more a matter of taste and behavior than actual discussion.
 

barryn2000

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Originally posted by GonzoCat90:

Originally posted by preacherfan:
I won't comment on the Tubby stuff at all. But, I have to say that the threads that are so overdone on this board are the Pitino threads. Yeah, I realize he coaches down the road at the school that most consider our most hated rival. But, a thread on EVERY single thing he says just seems a bit obsessive to me. I agree, but they're at least relevant in that he coaches our main rival. Now, the discussion in them is usually pretty tiring and repetitive, but I can at least understand the interest, however obsessive and petty it may come across.

The Sextino, etc. stuff is
, but that's more a matter of taste and behavior than actual discussion.
I waited for you to swing your logic hammer in the BCG thread....posted for you.

I know you think your reasoning sounds credible...but it's pretty obvious that your only concerned about 1 single coach.

The reality is that all things UK, past, present and future should have the same rules....A) interesting to the members or drop off the page....B) ignore if you aren't interested.

Posters like you keep the Tubby threads at the top...more people see it and post, lather-rinse-repeat. You feed the very thing you dislike.

These attempts to shame topics away are like flopping in basketball...contrived