Trump picks Pence....dicsuss

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

I said a week or so ago it would be a mistake to announce s vp pick outside of the convention and you can see why after the past two days. With the terror in France and the coup in Turkey dominating the news, Trump has been put on the sidelines. Now, announcing Pence as a running mate will add basically zero new votes for the ticket so it doesn't matter in reality since Trump's campaign is so unique but I am sure they would have liked to had won the news cycle with a positive announcement.

While I agree with you in principle I don't think many votes are added or lost with a VP pick anyway.

 

[WVUBRU]

While I agree with you in principle I don't think many votes are added or lost with a VP pick anyway.

I agree except I think it really hurt McCain. With a better pick, he had a much better chance in 08. I also think in 92, it hurt Bush but Bush was hurt more by Perot than having Quayle on the ticket again.

 

[COOL MAN]

I could see Chief Of Staff for Newt. He knows the DC political game better than anyone.

Seems to me the President's Chief-of-Staff needs to be someone with the seeds to actually stand up and tell his boss when he's wrong, and currently I don't know of ANYONE else in Trump's camp...... particularly those with legitimate political chops..... who has shown even the remotest willingness to stand up to him. Of course, I'm not sure anybody associated with Trump in his businesses has ever stood up to him; which begs the question how difficult it'll be for him to assemble an inner Staff.

 

[mneilmont]

I agree except I think it really hurt McCain. With a better pick, he had a much better chance in 08. I also think in 92, it hurt Bush but Bush was hurt more by Perot than having Quayle on the ticket again.

McCain, after trailing thru most of the season, actually got a bump and led the Zogby Poll of late August 2008 by 5%. Then the finance market burst any chance Republicans may have gathered for any action they could offer. Palin on ticket was not the problem.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Seems to me the President's Chief-of-Staff needs to be someone with the seeds to actually stand up and tell his boss when he's wrong, and currently I don't know of ANYONE else in Trump's camp...... particularly those with legitimate political chops..... who has shown even the remotest willingness to stand up to him. Of course, I'm not sure anybody associated with Trump in his businesses has ever stood up to him; which begs the question how difficult it'll be for him to assemble an inner Staff.

The sadistic side of me wants to see him win just to listen to the hypocrisy on the left when they fail to respect the office if he's in it. Bottom line, we have 4 more years of grid lock with whoever is elected because both candidates are loathed by the other side.

 

[COOL MAN]

McCain, after trailing thru most of the season, actually got a bump and led the Zogby Poll of late August 2008 by 5%. Then the finance market burst any chance Republicans may have gathered for any action they could offer. Palin on ticket was not the problem.

The most awe-inducing aspect of that particular "analysis" is that he probably believes it.....

 

[mneilmont]

The most awe-inducing aspect of that particular "analysis" is that he probably believes it.....

As usual, a cute line, but nothing is challenged. Where is it wrong? And yes, I do believe my eyes when reading the history. Don't be such a dick and tell me what you challenge.

 

[MountaineerWV]

As usual, a cute line, but nothing is challenged. Where is it wrong? And yes, I do believe my eyes when reading the history. Don't be such a dick and tell me what you challenge.

So if you believe what you wrote about Palin, then you must also believe that Bush was defeated in 2004 until a certain video from a terrorist came out just a week or so before the election.......

 

[COOL MAN]

The sadistic side of me wants to see him win just to listen to the hypocrisy on the left when they fail to respect the office if he's in it. Bottom line, we have 4 more years of grid lock with whoever is elected because both candidates are loathed by the other side.

But isn't that how it always works......tell me the last time someone in this country from the Right "respected the office" since 1/20/09.

But what really pisses off Right-wingers (like neilmont and 3:16) is that given all the fun they had seeing Bubba get drilled on a daily basis during his time in the WH.....and it was a laugh a minute when he single-handedly turned Rush Limbaugh into the richest, most famous (or infamous, depending upon who you talk to) radio talk show host ever.......they were equally as sore when the Left took their formula and turned it around on them during Dubya's administration. Of course, It's been back to business as usual for the Right ever since..

And that's precisely what's set to happen this election; the Left declares war against a newly-elected President Trump the second after he takes his hand off the bible on 1/20/17......or if Hillary wins, the Right simply picks up at midnight where they left off at 1159PM EST the day before.

 

[mneilmont]

The most awe-inducing aspect of that particular "analysis" is that he probably believes it.....

Are you afraid to look at the facts? I see nothing but a stupid insinuation from you, so I will try to help your poor brain. Sarah Palin was announced as VP candidate the last week of August 2008 at which time Obama was leading polls. Does that help you find that info? Now look at the first couple weeks of Sept 2008 Presidential polls where most, including Real Clear, show McCain with the lead.

If you like, you can see Money Market shipwreck of September 2008 and growing in October.

Restated, Obama was leading polls before the selection of Palin, and post-selection of Palin, McCain assumed the lead. The bottom fell out of the market in Sept and Oct, and McCain bottom also fell out. It takes a really screwed up mind to assign the failure to Palin with these facts at hand, but a few people started spreading the false "fact" that Palin caused the downfall. Clearly she had a positive impact, but so damned many people stupidly thought she crashed the ticket and followers believed then and repeat the stupidity today. IMO, she was the most qualified for President of the 4 people on the two tickets.

 

[mneilmont]

So if you believe what you wrote about Palin, then you must also believe that Bush was defeated in 2004 until a certain video from a terrorist came out just a week or so before the election.......

You sorta have me there. I do wholeheartedly believe what I wrote about Palin in 2008. Now you are going to have to help me when you tie that to (Bush Defeat?) in 2004. Bush won that because Dems did not put up any opposition that had anything to offer.

 

[mneilmont]

......tell me the last time someone in this country from the Right "respected the office" since 1/20/09.

I have always respected the office, but I do be damned if I can come up with any reason to respect the current resident who has tried his damnedest to remove all respect due the office.

 

[MountaineerWV]

You sorta have me there. I do wholeheartedly believe what I wrote about Palin in 2008. Now you are going to have to help me when you tie that to (Bush Defeat?) in 2004. Bush won that because Dems did not put up any opposition that had anything to offer.

About 1 week before the 2004 general election, when the American people were growing restless with Bush's direction in the War on Terror.....a Bin Laden video was released. As soon as the video surfaced, the poll numbers switched from Kerry to Bush. As you know, Americans are not likely to switch presidents during times of crisis UNLESS we don't like the direction of the crisis (Ex. Vietnam). A lot of political strategist suggest that this video was what Bush needed to put enough fear in American's minds of another attack that they couldn't vote for a "rookie" president to deal with this crisis.

 

[mneilmont]

But what really pisses off Right-wingers (like neilmont and 3:16) is that given all the fun they had seeing Bubba get drilled on a daily basis during his time in the WH

If Clinton is the Bubba you refer to(original), you should quit making an idiot of yourself with blind and baseless assumptions. Only beef I had with him in his second term in the middle, he chose to screw his way thru the term. He had the political world by the ***. Republicans in power were scared to cross him. All he had to do was tell Newt and he went running.

Economic times were good and unemployment was down to mid 4%. If he would have kept his pants on, he could have gotten all the social programs thru congress that libs dream about today - no resistance. but he chose to *** it away, and for that wasted time, piss on Slick Willie.

 

[MountaineerWV]

If Clinton is the Bubba you refer to(original), you should quit making an idiot of yourself with blind and baseless assumptions. Only beef I had with him in his second term in the middle, he chose to screw his way thru the term. He had the political world by the ***. Republicans in power were scared to cross him. All he had to do was tell Newt and he went running.

Economic times were good and unemployment was down to mid 4%. If he would have kept his pants on, he could have gotten all the social programs thru congress that libs dream about today - no resistance. but he chose to *** it away, and for that wasted time, piss on Slick Willie.

So Clinton was the only president (Democrat or Republican), that was experiencing good times but had affairs while being president?????? Hmmm.....

 

[mneilmont]

About 1 week before the 2004 general election, when the American people were growing restless with Bush's direction in the War on Terror.....a Bin Laden video was released. As soon as the video surfaced, the poll numbers switched from Kerry to Bush. As you know, Americans are not likely to switch presidents during times of crisis UNLESS we don't like the direction of the crisis (Ex. Vietnam). A lot of political strategist suggest that this video was what Bush needed to put enough fear in American's minds of another attack that they couldn't vote for a "rookie" president to deal with this crisis.

I had not heard of that video before. And Bush explained his hunt for Bin LADEN would continue, but would not become sole purpose because another would assume his place and war continue. That has come to pass. Where can I go for verification. The fact from my side was that Kerry was going to lie his way into making people think he was a warrior. He was exposed on so many fronts about boat pilot, boat mates denied, medals and his activities while there were boots on the ground. Kerry was simply an empty suit that married well. McCain may have learned that from Kerry.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I had not heard of that video before. And Bush explained his hunt for Bin LADEN would continue, but would not become sole purpose because another would assume his place and war continue. That has come to pass. Where can I go for verification. The fact from my side was that Kerry was going to lie his way into making people think he was a warrior. He was exposed on so many fronts about boat pilot, boat mates denied, medals and his activities while there were boots on the ground. Kerry was simply an empty suit that married well. McCain may have learned that from Kerry.

Just search "Bin Laden helps Bush win".....but I will provide some links.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/280206binladenshelp.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/11/21/exclusive-kerry-says-ubl-tape-cost-him-election.html

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

But isn't that how it always works......tell me the last time someone in this country from the Right "respected the office" since 1/20/09.

But what really pisses off Right-wingers (like neilmont and 3:16) is that given all the fun they had seeing Bubba get drilled on a daily basis during his time in the WH.....and it was a laugh a minute when he single-handedly turned Rush Limbaugh into the richest, most famous (or infamous, depending upon who you talk to) radio talk show host ever.......they were equally as sore when the Left took their formula and turned it around on them during Dubya's administration. Of course, It's been back to business as usual for the Right ever since..

And that's precisely what's set to happen this election; the Left declares war against a newly-elected President Trump the second after he takes his hand off the bible on 1/20/17......or if Hillary wins, the Right simply picks up at midnight where they left off at 1159PM EST the day before.

Yes, the selective memory on each side is astounding.

 

[mneilmont]

So Clinton was the only president (Democrat or Republican), that was experiencing good times but had affairs while being president?????? Hmmm.....

How in the hell do you make that extrapolation from what I said about Clinton? But Actually do not know of any President who had the opportunity to do the great things and failed to do so because he didn't have time to invest in business because he was too busy diddling ?

 

[mneilmont]

Just search "Bin Laden helps Bush win".....but I will provide some links.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/280206binladenshelp.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/11/21/exclusive-kerry-says-ubl-tape-cost-him-election.html

Go back and read your first offering. Bush had nothing to do with that release. Al Jazzera released that video in favor of Bin Laden.

 

[mneilmont]

Go back and read your first offering. Bush had nothing to do with that release. Al Jazzera released that video in favor of Bin Laden.

And the second - The same authors of your piece later wrote that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11. If you buy that, Obama had a hell of a fraud perpetuated when he(command) killed him. Not sure you were consistent in reading Larry King and news.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Go back and read your first offering. Bush had nothing to do with that release. Al Jazzera released that video in favor of Bin Laden.

You said:

"Restated, Obama was leading polls before the selection of Palin, and post-selection of Palin, McCain assumed the lead. The bottom fell out of the market in Sept and Oct, and McCain bottom also fell out. It takes a really screwed up mind to assign the failure to Palin with these facts at hand, but a few people started spreading the false "fact" that Palin caused the downfall. Clearly she had a positive impact, but so damned many people stupidly thought she crashed the ticket and followers believed then and repeat the stupidity today. IMO, she was the most qualified for President of the 4 people on the two tickets."

Now, you link the market to the reason why Obama defeated McCain (Americans felt that Obama's economic plan was better, I guess is your reasoning). Now, I never said Bush had anything to do with the video. However, the video showed that Kerry had a legit chance to defeat Bush UNTIL that video surfaced (some claim it was an old video, and was timed perfectly one week before the American election). The American voters trusted Bush during the War on Terror better than Kerry AFTER the video surfaced, resulting in a shift in poll numbers.

And forgive me if I don't believe anything about Bush....too many things have come out and keep coming out about what he may have known prior to 9/11, and even shortly after (the connection to Saudi Arabia, although he goes after Iraq?).

 

[MountaineerWV]

And the second - The same authors of your piece later wrote that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11. If you buy that, Obama had a hell of a fraud perpetuated when he(command) killed him. Not sure you were consistent in reading Larry King and news.

You distrust Obama, but trust Bush? Wow......

 

[mneilmont]

Go back and read your first offering. Bush had nothing to do with that release. Al Jazzera released that video in favor of Bin Laden.

Not sure Al-Jazeera is a reliable source. They could make a hell of story if Bush camp altered the story or that Bin Laden dummied the story for release. Too hard to give credibility.

 

[COOL MAN]

As usual, a cute line, but nothing is challenged. Where is it wrong? And yes, I do believe my eyes when reading the history. Don't be such a dick and tell me what you challenge.

After several years of (occasionally) poking at you.....and whatever it is that's bothering you on that particular day.....you're still serially incapable of figuring out (and I'm going to try and help you out here) that I have no interest in "challenging" someone who believes everything they post on a Message Board is categorically and unassailably correct; and worse, is prepared to fight about it over the course of hours (and sometimes days).

Trying to convince our cats they need to quit shedding is surely a more productive use of my time than trying to engage you with anything thoughtful......so it's significantly more fun to simply shoot off a Scud or two in your direction every so often and watch the cement between your ears turn to projectile diarrhea while making a fool of yourself to everyone (including those who happen to share most of your same political beliefs).

 

[mneilmont]

Now, you link the market to the reason why Obama defeated McCain (Americans felt that Obama's economic plan was better, I guess is your reasoning

Not the reason at all. Simply put, no Republican could have won that election. They(we) had taken to many financial losses to vote for any Republican.

Why the boldfaced print in the first section?

Are you stating that BUSH had control over what Al-Jazeera Said about Bin Laden. I don't follow what you are saying. And I am not sure Kerry ever had the lead you refer to.

 

[mneilmont]

You distrust Obama, but trust Bush? Wow......

That would be an accurate statement. More so than either Clinton or Obama.

 

[mneilmont]

After several years of (occasionally) poking at you.....and whatever it is that's bothering you on that particular day.....you're still serially incapable of figuring out (and I'm going to try and help you out here) that I have no interest in "challenging" someone who believes everything they post on a Message Board is categorically and unassailably correct; and worse, is prepared to fight about it over the course of hours (and sometimes days).

Trying to convince our cats they need to quit shedding is surely a more productive use of my time than trying to engage you with anything thoughtful......so it's significantly more fun to simply shoot off a Scud or two in your direction every so often and watch the cement between your ears turn to projectile diarrhea while making a fool of yourself to everyone (including those who happen to share most of your same political beliefs).

Ouch, that really hurt. Yes, you do seem to like to pile on with your associates in an effort to belittle me. It is a bit chickenshit, but I have come to the conclusion that is just you. And yes, I do believe everything I post on this Message Board to be correct. I didn't realize you look at it as a form of "Liar's Poker". I am still filling my way around on the board. Most engage in exchange of ideas. When you and your ilk enter in with some form of lie, I normally don't look at the source and eliminate you lying bastards. I read the body and attempt to respond to what they intend to say. Their offering does not have to be perfect - if I can understand the though and like the subject, I will respond as honestly as I can be. I I see some ******* that corrects someone elses offering, I will attempt to correct their entry just be and ******* like they were being previously.

Your second paragraph is just you being your dip-**** self. And, that is unfortunate because I do like your offerings and have joined in if it is something of interest. But since you are confessing, did you jump into this conversation just to cover up my response to Bru who has attempted to black ball me and does not respond? I have noticed that practice for a month or so. Surely you wouldn't attempt to lie about your practice. And, I have had you blocked for a couple months when I got to where I could see your MO an prefer not to associate with such a piece of ****. See, I have to make an effort to respond to you only when I think you will be interesting.

 

[LUVPOWERFB]

I could see Chief Of Staff for Newt. He knows the DC political game better than anyone.

I predict that is exactly where he will wind up.

 

[mneilmont]

I predict that is exactly where he will wind up.

I am not sure of that. Newt has to have his wife involved in every move he makes. For access to that bankroll, who can blame him. I was thinking of a preferred ambassadorship or maybe seat at United Nations.

 

[495EER]

This not being moved is the mpetuous for canceling my subscription.

 

[CAJUNEER_rivals]

I agree except I think it really hurt McCain. With a better pick, he had a much better chance in 08. I also think in 92, it hurt Bush but Bush was hurt more by Perot than having Quayle on the ticket again.

In both those instances I think there were really much bigger issues. I think GWB's unpopularity sunk McCain. Also, he was old and tired. Obama was fresh and energetic. Palin was chosen to bring energy to the ticket, which she did. When questioned on his VP pick McCain reminds people he got a sustained bump by picking Palin. I think the bump had little to do with Palin and more to do with the right learners coming home as the election neared.

As you point out, Perot was one of two significant factors against GHWB. The economy was as a huge factor and Clinton won that issue. But without Perot GHWB wins a second term. Quayle has no impact one way or the other.

I think the people who weigh heavily the bottom half of the tickets during any election will all fit in my kitchen.

 

[COOL MAN]

This not being moved is the mpetuous for canceling my subscription.

None of my business, of course; but move WHAT (this thread ??).......to WHERE (other than the OT BOARD ??)......and WHY ?? If you think this thread inappropriate for some reason, that's fine......but why you'd take it out on the site is beyond me.

Did you perhaps intend this post for a different message on one of the other boards ??

 

[PriddyBoy]

I always thought he was kind of cool.