Trump 2024
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I stand corrected. Romney did not particpate in the 2016 debate.
Point stands, Trump beat a lot of people fair and square in 2016 and 2020 primaries and 2024 primaries.
Hmmm that doesn't sound right. I'd bet a thousand Trump bibles that Nikki would wipe the floor with Donold in a proper debate.
What did you think of Trump's debate performance in the 2024 primary?
She would. And she should have been the nominee. The debates as part of primary process allowed her to emerge as the best candidate. But Trump didn't participate in the debates and has a rabid following of chuckleheads that currently dominate the party, so here we are.
His point about Kamala is even worse though. At least Trump participated in debates and won a broad primary in 2016. He then won the 2024 primary, even though he didn't participate in debates. Kamala did horribly in the one primary she participated in and there was no primary this year. She likely wouldn't have done well against a broad field of more appealing dems.
He did a lot better than Joe did in the Democratic Primary.
Your second paragraph, can I ask why you care? I know why @fatpiggy cares, bc after trump loses he is going to use this as some sort of cheating argument.
But I know you would never vote for a democrat, so why do you care who their nominee is?
Honestly, if the magas really believe this, they should be thrilled. If 20 other democrats would have beaten Kamala in a primary, then that should only make trump's job easier, no?
Why do people care about democracy?
Have you ever been to Normandy? Have you seen all those crosses? A lot of people died for the right to vote and you flippantly say who cares?
Are those the people your nominee called "suckers and losers" when he asked what was in it for them? Are those the guys who Trump said were only war heroes because they got caught like McCain?
Same ones Trump wouldn't visit at Normandy because it was raining and windy and he didn't want his combover to get messed up?
Republicans caring about democracy after expelling anyone who isn't a Trumper, allowing Trump to install his damn botoxed daughter in law as the RNC co-chair, threatening fellow Rs like Kemp who wouldn't allow Trump to cheat in the 2020 election, threatening a sitting VP and his family when he wouldn't cheat, and continuing to lie about the results of our free and fair election in 2020 is pretty damn rich.
I care because it resulted in a far left nominee rather than a more moderate candidate. She's also not a very capable leader based on everything I've seen over the last 4 years. And the mouthbreathers in the GOP decided to nominate Trump, who has alienated most of the country, so even a total **** candidate has a good chance of winning.
There was nothing undemocratic about that process. The delegates nominated Kamala Harris at the convention, they were free to nominate whoever they wanted.
Undemocratic would be storming the capital to stop the certification of an election bc you didn’t like the results.
Can you name a dem candidate that you would have voted for? Honestly?
There's literally never been a VP in any administration that had any kind of evidence that they could be a "capable leader" based on that role.
Assistant DA
DA
AG
Senator
VP
Pretty bulletproof resume compared to the junior senator with 2 years experience in the public sector who is up for the same role now on the other side of the aisle.
You likely aren't going to care about my opinion, but...
Holy hyperbole batman. People are still voting this coming November. The constitution and all laws were still followed. And this is quite frankly ridiculous trying to invoke D Day for some reason in relation to a candidate stepping down.
A candidate stepping down?
How about a health concern intentionally covered up in order to manipulate the Democratic process?
What do you think Trump would score on a legitimate psychiatric/cognitive test?
But VPs participate in a primary process if they want to be the next president. Obviously that didn't happen, so this is a very unique situation. Clearly you understand that, right?
And yes, she held a bunch of positions that we elected in deep blue cities/states. She had a questionable record as an AG/DA. Then went on to have the most liberal voting record in the senate. Then went on to be a completely worthless VP accomplishing nothing of note, coming across as an airhead in nearly every unscripted setting along the way. We all know her resume.
Unless you have emails/recordings/etc, there is just no way to police that. And even if those things came out, they still likely wouldn't be illegal. They would just truly damage the candidate/party at the ballot box.
At the end of the day your gripe is truly with your own party nominating the literal one candidate that keeps the opposition from being punished at the ballot box for your thoughts above.
You know he would score higher than you. We all know he would.
No. I wouldn't vote for any democrat. I fundamentally disagree with many of their core political beliefs and couldn't support someone aligned with that party.
Manchin might be the closest. At least he had the balls to save us from Build Back Better, which would have added trillions in entitlements and made inflation even worse.
Not in the mood to have the same conversation again. Pretty sure literally yesterday.
No my gripe is the democratic process was stolen from millions of voters.
I don’t think you answered yesterday either. Do you believe he had sudden onset dementia? Or do you think they hit his condition in order to manipulate the democratic process? Those are mutually exclusive you either believe one or the other.
Yep. I hate both sides right now. They have literally given us the South Park spoof of a turd sandwich and a giant douche. In any other election, we would soundly defeat the turd sandwich, but we nominated a giant douche.
I don't have to agree to your exclusivity. I allow myself and people in my life to have discussions with nuance.
I mostly completely agree with this. I am not a fan of Harris. But I think her with a Republican congress is the least damaging to the nation and rhetoric and public discourse, if any of that can actually be reclaimed at this point.Yep. I hate both sides right now. They have literally given us the South Park spoof of a turd sandwich and a giant douche. In any other election, we would soundly defeat the turd sandwich, but we nominated a giant douche.
And this is your problem in a nutshell. You are so simple that you think everything is Black and White.
Very few things in this world are one of the other. There is always nuance.
I would say that the last 3.5 years have been substantially better as far as public discourse. We badly need for MAGA to be beaten so those mouth breathers crawl back under their rocks.
The current Republican party has done nothing. Literally nothing.
Eh ******** on the bolded part. She's better than basically any prominent Republican right now in any setting.
And you've already explained downthread that you can't name a Democrat you do like which is hilarious considering their bench compared to the Rs. I seriously doubt you were monitoring her "record" as AG/DA and likely can't name any VP setting you're attempting to reference here off the top of your head. Same reason nobody can remember anything about Pence other than the embarrassing Trump ***-kissing until the MAGAs finally tried to hang him.
I'm trying to figure out what it is the "both sides suck" crew don't like about the Biden/Harris regime as if it's in any way comparable to the Trump disaster.
- better foreign relations (nice not having UN crowds literally laughing at us in session)
- supporting Ukraine who seems to be winning its war now against Putin
- best economy in the world
- record DOW marks
- inflation curbed to historical norms after COVID spike
- controlled COVID pandemic
- fighting BiG GoVeRNmENt infringements on longstanding reproductive right
- common sense gun reform
- tax breaks for working/middle classes
- home ownership initiatives targeting working/middle classes
- extending caps on medications beyond seniors to general public
- fighting Qanon lunacy that has penetrated R ranks
Of course you like her and your bench. You are in the "true believer" category of dems on here. Like a guy who probably wore a Tim Walz is my coach t-shirt while watching the DNC for hours per night. Nikki Haley would absolutely smoke Harris in this election, in a debate and in every other way imaginable. And you'd have a Tiger in the white house.
It was black and white. Joe was mentally incapacitated long ago. The world saw it unfold on camera. There is no such thing as sudden onset dementia.