Trump 2024
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Let me correct that statement. There are repubs and dems helping run Maricopa County and the republicans there are establishment(RINO) to the core thus making them against America First Republicans like Kari Lake and Blake Masters. Richer even started a PAC to raise money to go against Lake and the others so the factuality of my statement is correct other than than stating that its fully dem run.
That is not entirely true. Sure, it is not as explicit as basically a list of indulgences and cost of penance on a list like it was when Luther left the party, but it is not gone completely either.
Stereotypes don't form on their own. Almost every mobster movie, and many movies where the "bad guy" is catholic has a scene where said bad guy gives large sums of $$$, or mentions having done so, to a catholic priest before asking for forgiveness of his sins. I'm not saying you can actually do this now, but if there was no basis in fact to some extent it would not be in almost every single movie with bad guy who is catholic. Do these all date from 1517? If it stopped 500 years ago, or even 100 yrs ago, would it be a common and accepted reference even today?
Facts matter and you are devoid of any. If you open that article, the full headline says:
"Maricopa County Recorder and BOS Chairman Created a PAC to Support Pro-Democracy Candidates Who Are Not 'Election Deniers'
Further down it states:
"On November 17, 2021, Meg Cunningham from the Kansas City Beacon tweeted that Richer, “the Maricopa County recorder, is launching a PAC to support Rs running for non-federal AZ offices who ‘acknowledge the validity of the 2020 election and condemn the events of Jan. 6, 2021, as a terrible result of the lies told about the November election.”
So these are Republicans who want to support other pro-democracy Republicans and that makes them RINOS? LMAO
Maybe it's you Growls - maybe you're the problem. Ever consider that?
I think the republican party many supported has been gone for a while now. I think the undeniably time for me was when Boehner and Mitch had control and did absolutely nothing. Boehner got up and said all the right things but never did a single one. Paul Ryan continued this idiocy.
My disdain for the establishment primarily comes from their refusal not to be fiscally responsible and basically running scared from the dem party and media. The majority of the establishment have become pro big govt, imo. The "extreme religious right" portion of the conservative party along with the dem party are two sides of the same coin trying to force their views on everyone. While I would lean closer to the religious right view than most dem moral views in my personal life, I do not think it is the place of govt to legislate morality and am probably more libertarian in my view on the matter politically.
Roe is a perfect example of this. There is a lot of middle ground between no abortion at any time for any reason and abortion up to birth and no requirement to try and save a human life if the abortion "fails" and a child is actually born. I would think most of America falls somewhere in the middle. The rest of the world does as most countries restrict abortion somewhere between 10-14 weeks if abortions are otherwise legal.
I think you are part of the problem dude. A grown man that supports the stuff that you do. Thats some of the problem. The biggest problem though is is the insidious uniparty that has taken over the nation right under our noses. We lost our free nation. Call them the deep state or whatever you want but they are running the show and its rigged for them to win no matter what.
Such a waste of my time and I'm a die hard Repub. He gonna destroy the Repub chances at taking the WH.
TigerGrowls, I appreciate your attempt to reason with those on the left but remember, "if you could reason with Democrats, there wouldn't be any Democrats!!"
I don't consider myself a die hard liberal, but I understand just fine. There are a few MAGA folks that genuinely believe Trump is a great guy that the media has treated badly and a few that follow the Q, that actually believe that God has specifically chosen him to break up that Pedo ring that run by an unholy combination of billionaires and actors.
Most MAGA folks though... not so much. They realize that Trump is a bad guy, but they also believe that he's going to look after their interests and they believe that his policies for America most reflect their own. In other words... Yep, Trump is going to look after himself first... but when he's doing that, he's also going to help me out personally as well as America in general. I can respect that... I don't agree with it, but I can respect it. I think @Cocks are Number 1 falls into this category.
It's the evangelicals that I actually have a problem with. These folks are always telling everyone how Christian they are and how family values and Christian beliefs are their priority. Trump is a bad dude and neither his personal nor professional life has EVER reflected Christian/Family values. BUT Trump simply says he's going to look after them and implement some policies for them and they turn a blind eye to everything else he says and does... THAT, I have a problem with.
Case in point that doesn't involve Trump. I have a cousin in law that is a Baptist minister. I like him and think that he's a pretty good guy. As you might expect he's a pretty conservative Republican. During Obama's reelection campaign I remember him posting (and pontificating) during the Republican nomination that he could never vote for Romney b/c he was a real Christian and Romney belonged to a cult. BUT when the dust settled and Romney had the Republican nomination, all of a sudden, he was OK with voting for Romney over a guy that belonged to the United Church of Christ for 20 years. Now again, he felt that Romney reflected his values and policies more so than Obama. Fair enough... BUT this is a guy that identifies first as a Christian and stated that he could never vote for a guy that was part of a cult... right up until it was nut cutting time... then he found that he could indeed vote for him. I got a problem with THAT.
There is a lot of sense in this post. I completely agree with your thoughts about evangelicals and their outright hypocrisy when it comes to Trump. Please post more.
That's why I hope Trump runs as an independent. The Republicans get thrown in this "Church crowd" and you either vote Republican or Democrat, that's your only two options. In other words, "Church" vs "anti-church".
I believe in God. I have morals and believe in the greater good. However, I don't go to church and don't care if you do or don't. It doesn't bother me what anyone does in their life. I don't care what Gays do. I don't care if you Pray before school. I'm not one to "vote against" social stuff. I care about fiscal issues and corruption and the billions upon billions of tax dollars that absolutely get blown on stupid stuff.
I remember when we didn't have $5 billion to build a wall around our country to secure our borders, but somehow found $700 Billion to give to other countries.
Let the Republicans keep looking for a preacher to elect. Let the Liberals keep looking for someone who's going to give billions to other countries. The Republicans fear Trump running as an independent will split the vote, but it's pretty evident to me, that in 2020 the most Republicans ever voted and still lost to a dude who likely has no idea where he is and is absolutely invested with China. That dude beat Obama's previous record by an unreal number. So, does anyone honestly think if you combine the vote again, you're going to beat him?
A line in sand has been drawn, imo. Regardless, it's my opinion that Democrats will rule this country for decades. They've figured it out and they're not giving it back. Why would they? Nobody that does not have a D by their name, will win the US President election in the next 15-20 years. I don't care who runs. Mark it down.
Pennsylvania just voted in a dead person...lol. A dead democrat won. How are you beating the ones who are living?
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I disagree with you about a couple things. A moderate Republican who wasn't an ******* and didn't try to legislate morality could and probably would win a National Election.
Also, the reason vote totals were so high is due to a couple factors. One Trump is an ******* and people are motivated either against or for him. Two, our population continues to grow and the younger voters are much more active at the polls than previous generations. That's not likely to change so we will continue to see higher and higher vote totals. Obama had more votes than George Washington, do you think he had a higher approval rate?
He's absolutely right - there are plenty of Americans that would crossover to vote for a good Republican candidate, but the problem the Rs have is they are so enamored by candidates that "own the libs", they can't see the forest for the trees. The more hateable they are, the more the Rs love them but that only helps in a primary. If you want to win a general an R candidate needs to focus on decency, unity and good sound policy that most Americans agree on. Stop focusing on what you hate about us instead of what unites us and you could easily take back the WH....with the right candidate.
Exactly. I have said many,many times on this board, I have voted Republican and would again with the right candidate. I just need someone who isn't a conman scumbag. I want someone who doesn't think it's bad to try to compromise and get stuff accomplished.
I am so tired of the "teams" mentality in politics. The real issue is that we have many,many people in these threads who have stated, " I'm going to vote Republican(or democrat) no matter the candidate, but I want "blank". That's a huge issue. The candidate should be more important than the party. I want quality folks with actual ideas.
It just befuddles me that they can't see it's not a rigged system that stymies their candidates, it's the candidates themselves. Remember when James Carville said "It's the economy stupid?" I believe that still applies unless you're running terrible candidates. They could have easily had that red wave if they understood that now "It's the candidate stupid."
I believe, people don't want to vote for a republican because of the Church thing. It's really weird to me, but that's just me. I know several people under 40 who think Republicans are "all about forcing church". Regardless, that's their perception. I think that hurts them more than anything.
This is just my opinion, but I think we have a few groups of people in this country. Not how you vote, but how you feel, pers se. Because we all know, you only have two options to vote.
#1-Extreme Left- think LGBQT should be normal, and guys can have babies, and let's turn this country communist. Antifa supporters. Ban all guns. Think segregation still exist and woman can't vote or be CEO's. Think government tells no lies and is truly here to protect them.
#2- Classic Liberal- Believe in big Government. Support Weed and generally speaking, don't have an issue with it. Gun Control crowd.
#3- Midde Crowd- For lack of a better term, let's call these the middle crowd. Everyone you talk to seems to reside here. Everyone "is an independent" in this crowd. The don't care about weed, don't care about church, live and let live. Absolutely do not relate to Extreme liberals and Antifa, but also are far from your church crowd, reading bibles at night.
#4- Classic Republican- Believe in God and that morals that lead this country. Really big Constitutional crowd, who will not budge on anything the founding fathers wrote in the constitution. Small government, and absolutely no government overreach. Don't trust the Government.
#5- Extreme right. Bible should still be taught in school. Think governments are out to get them and will show up to march in the January 6th crowd.
Most people reside in crowd #2, #3 and #4 IMO. However, the media tells us only #1 and #5 exist. They tell us we have two options, and when it comes voting time, guess what we have? #1 or #5... pick your poison.
You have some fairly interesting takes on how you separate your groups? The main issues are Weed and Church?
Its just an opinion and observation. Maybe yours differs, but I find most people I talk to are torn on these particular issues and it's black and white for them. They can't vote Republican because they're scared of church being forced on them or had parents who made them go when they were younger so now, they hate it. Can't vote Democrat because they don't like weed heads and think Liberals are trying make them marry a gay person.
Yes, it's pretty dang stupid IYAM, but that's my observations. I don't expect everyone to have the same stories or viewpoints or even observations. I live the upstate of SC so we're in a bubble compared to the rest of the country. Most people here are either "Church is good and we should go because we missed last week" or "those Christians drink on Saturday night but go to church on Sunday and im the bad person?" Very little middle ground.
Also, "I don't care if weed is legal or not" vs "If you smoke weed, you'll be smoking crack next week". That's us here in the upstate!
But what's really weird and fascinating, to me, is that very few people will take a stand. Most people "fear" picking a side, so about everyone I run into says "man , im a libertarian". Nobody admits their Liberal and scared to be Republican. Very strange to me how many are "in the middle" with two options to vote, both extremes.
Again, just my observations.
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I think she's too polarizing a figure within the GOP. She probably doesn't want to risk getting shot by some maga lunatic either.
You know how I feel about Trump, but I have to push back on this rationale a little bit (and I know it's not necessarily yours).
There are lots of surface similarities btwn Trumpism and Nazism, as well as some very serious deep-rooted similarities. But, the other conditions that allowed Nazism to flourish, from the time of Hitler's release to 1933, are not present here. The crippling economic depression, mile long bread lines, having just had the nation's spirit crushed by losing a catastrophic war, etc. Right now the most concerning similarities, to me, are the rising white supremacy/anti-gov. movements, the openness to believing conspiracy theories, and the willingness to commit violence against political enemies. None of it should be taken lightly, but it took a whole lot more terrible **** happening with the economy for Hitler to win the hearts and minds of German voters.
I know we're heading into a recession, and maga idiots will say "'Biden’s' inflation is making our economy worse than Germany's in 1930," but maga idiots will say and believe anything.
There's more than a few maga people who follow Q. I haven't checked lately but back on Jan 6, 2021 put estimates btwn 25-30 million. It may not still be that many but it hasn't dwindled to a few.
Great post otherwise though
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I live in a very southern town and know a lot of white people, as I'm white myself. I've never in my life met a "white supremacist" and im 38 years old. Ever.
I have no idea where this notion that those people are rising comes from? If it were truly an issue, I would like to think i would have at leas met one. If they're rising, they wouldn't be ashamed of it and would be very open.
Now, I will say, the most "racist person" I ever met was an 80-something year old white man. He's a registered democrat. Honest to God.
You guys still can't figure out that Trump drove the turnout for dems in 2020. And being affiliated with Trump hurt the 2022 midterms with moderates and independents.
You've left the reservation. Trump running as an independent definitely hands the white house to the dems. "Church" isn't the only thing separating the parties, nor is it even the primary issue. And your defeatist attitude about the dems winning for decades to come is sad.
It's really wild to read posts from you and growls. I guess I knew people like you guys existed, but reading the takes is just a head-shaking experience, especially for someone who votes R and expects better from those who vote similarly.
I think you trust a lot of the news media. Not trying to down you, but if you believe there's a lot of people following Q, i dont know what to tell you other than try watching a different station. That same station probably once told you that 6 cops were killed on January 6th. Its just not true.
You don't realize that every Registered republican in the country can show up and vote and someone with D beside their name is still gonna win by a slim-narrow margin.
You ain't figured that out yet?
I'm blow away people like you exist... im always shaking my head at you guys. Its mutual.
Look, I know we disagree on lots but you're right here. Republicans really have no incentive to go vote. At some point y'all have to think about just boycotting the process altogether.
Im not a Republican, i think that's what might be confusing to you. Im just most certainly not a liberal.
I don't ever want to vote for Republican if I don't have to. I don't relate them at all. Mitch Mcconnell is a republican, Liz Cheaney is Republican. George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld are Republicans. Im not that at all.
I don't relate to them at all. This is why I hope Trump does not run as a Republican. I want the "Republicans" to see just how small they are. I hope he runs independent that way all of the Republicans can have them a good Christian leader who talks great and smiles and puts on a nice face. You know, one that makes them feel good.
One that plays fair and is a polished politician. That's what we need more of. Polished Politicians.
Let's see how the Country votes when they have another option than Republican or Democrat.
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Yes, that's why we need to appeal to independents and moderates. And Trump doesn't do that. It's extremely simple.
No doubt, its extremely simple. Just put me in the group that says "Nobody is beating a Democrat, regardless of who you elect".
To me, the only thing I want to accomplish is I just want to show the Republicans how small their base really is or how big the Trump support really is. Either way, we're not the same people.
For that to have any chance of happening the Republicans have to give up the abortion issue. And I don't know how they can do that now that the Supreme Court is packed with pro-lifers. Y'all just went too far and you're going to pay dearly at the ballot box for a while.
they did a good job of that at midterms. they were too smart for the covid vaccine.
I agree on abortion. But I don't think the SC has anything to do with it anymore. SC struck down Roe because it was a far reaching interpretation that effectively created our abortion laws. That's not how the SC is supposed to operate. Congress is supposed to pass laws.
The GOP needs to put forth a plan that protects right to choose for rape/incest/health, protects contraception, then lets states choose the maximum week threshold for voluntary abortions somewhere in the 12-16 week window (aligned with EU countries).
I know I will. I will never vote for trump again. Despite the good he did during his presidency I just can’t deal with his mouth for another term.
The problem is the majority of the GOP sold their soul to the religious right who are single issue voters. There are many, even some on here who have said they don't care about other issues.
lol, those policies will get most of the GOP voted out at the next cycle and they know that.