Nothing against Knox but adding him creates playing time issues, imo. The team will need Grayson's leadership. Hopefully all the guys scheduled to return will work hard over the summer. Trent can hopefully use his size as an advantage, he weighs 215 and is 6-6. Would love for him to be like Thornwell from SC. Maybe Grayson can be what Quinn was
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Ok little minion. We get that you throw rose peddles as he walks but some of us don't agree with everything he does. Now run alon and go get Coach K some tissue for when he's done.
I think he should play traditional this year, but understand his effinity for a stretch 4. It can be a huge game changer to have a versatile guy at the 4, but we've also seen it's flaws. If you're most competitive guy is your stretch 4, then you will be okay, but that's not always the case.
Exactly what I've been saying this entire time. Only way you can go small is if that hybrid forward is just a beast that takes pride in guarding. That's why it works so well for Golden State. We haven't been having stretch 4s. We've been having long 3s. It's a big difference. Good thing is he definitely highlight those wing players. I give Coach that. If you're a wing scorer come to Duke. He's going to get you opportunities
I think we get Knox. I just can't see anyway where Allen is the 6th man as a senior. Jackson, possibly could be. Allen & Jackson are both better players who will immediately contribute more than Knox is right now IMO. They would also stretch the floor more than Knox would because he doesn't particularly shoot the ball real well. He's not in the same convo as a Ingram, Parker, Tatum, Winslow. I agree with @Jnood Duval, Jackson, Allen, Carter, Bolden is my bet on the lineup.
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I'm really excited about Trent, because he is maturely built, and a skilled player, and will likely be around 2 or more years, simply because he isn't outrageously athletic, and could tighten up his handle. Trent, next year is exciting, but year 2 and maybe 3, is amazing!
It's just crazy, because I don't think bolden is coming back to do anything but snap necks, so he's starting, Wendel is skilled as can be, so starter, Knox isn't a 3. It's like the McAdoo or Gabriel at 3 type wishful thinking. It gets fuzzy.
Champ, I agree. We need to play more traditional like the '10 team. Now if we get Knox and K plays him at the 3 then all is gravy. I want Knox regardless lol. Regarding basketball I would rather have too much of something than not enough, especially with these last few seasons and injuries.
Thanks for your thoughts and dechamp, Mac...Yeah been a little concerned because think we've got a guy in Javin who could fill the bill perfectly as a back-up at the 4. I know Knox is super-talented, I just dont want a bench of disenchanted guys...
Besides I think Duval is more crucial to Duke anyway...
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So pretty much just Duval is left and our roster for the 17-18 season is complete?
Is it just me or do I think Allen could be the nations most dangerous / best 6th man ...not saying he will be now that Kennard left now but yea..am I the only one that thinks he would be fine with that role ? Kinda like a jr smith type lol .well he starts now some but yea . I will say if he gets himself back to his sophomore self he will start ..I just think he would enjoy a little less spotlight /pressure /hostility and see the game better ..also bettering his chances of staying healthy and fresh for the tourney ..I think he'll be fine with whatever's best for the team and do.If he indeed comes back.
Mac I see your point on the downside of adding Knox per others PT. I think of a guy like Javin, who seems like a really good kid w/nice upside. He may work really hard this summer, and be an awesome "off the bench" addition next year. Does a Knox preclude Javin from getting a serious shot next year? Likely I would say...
Obviously Javin is long, agile/athletic, and from what I have heard only needs to improve his shot. I imagine he could play some lock down D, and be a terrific guy on boards...
I have only seen Knox in the Nike Summit, and while he didnt score much, must say he runs floor quite well, has good handles for his size, and looks like a team player. I would love to see him as a Blue Devil, but Mac I see your argument...
As far as Duval goes(orig thread topic), no-brainer he's a major need. Outside of the Scheyer pg led team of '10, Duke's other nattys have been led by true pg's...
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I think we all know K doesn't play positions, so saying he is in love with small ball isn't entirely true. He plays his best players. Last year we tried a more traditional lineup with Tatum at the 3 and it didn't work.
If K only had 5 Battiers, a Paulus, and Shavlik, we would have a lineup of all Battier. I say only, but wow! Can you imagine...
Also not trying to take anything away from those 2. Both are part of Duke and had some good moments. I just wanted to thow out a guard and a big, and off the top of my head, they would be behind Battier.
If K only had 5 Battiers, a Paulus, and Shavlik, we would have a lineup of all Battier. I say only, but wow! Can you imagine...
Also not trying to take anything away from those 2. Both are part of Duke and had some good moments. I just wanted to thow out a guard and a big, and off the top of my head, they would be behind Battier.
Very valid point....He would indeed go w/5 Shanes, and it would be hard to argue w/it!
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Right. Must be why Matt got so much playing time and the reason so many on this board saying he shouldn't play because he brings too much offense and not enough defense... Seeing someone say K doesnt care about defense just seems crazy.
What big did we have besides Jefferson that was any good at D? Of our 2 best options last year, Harry wasn't over his hurdles yet and Bolden would normally come in and foul right away. If either would have provided more than what we had, they would have played. It's been that way a few times recently, but it's based on the team makeup. All will be ok.
Edit... the post I was quoting seems to have disappeared. It was basically stating K cared more about offense than defense which is why we went with "small ball"
What big did we have besides Jefferson that was any good at D? Of our 2 best options last year, Harry wasn't over his hurdles yet and Bolden would normally come in and foul right away. If either would have provided more than what we had, they would have played. It's been that way a few times recently, but it's based on the team makeup. All will be ok.
Edit... the post I was quoting seems to have disappeared. It was basically stating K cared more about offense than defense which is why we went with "small ball"
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I would say one paulus and four battiers. Then you got something on your hands that's deadly. Coach just started that positionless basketball when he started coaching Team USA. That's cool when you have the players for it though. You need a Shane Battier or Justice Winslow for it to work. Two hard nose defenders who can make you pay on offense if you don't watch out. Tatum wasn't that guy. We gave up on the traditional lineup too fast. Remember that Georgia Tech game that we won by 50? We played traditional. During the time Amile got hurt we went to small ball and never turned back after that.
My pay grade being $0.00, I've been thinking approximately the same thing wrt the interrogation about next year's starting line-up. lol
As we saw this year, an arguably wider range of things can derail freshmen. Based on everything I've read, seen, and heard, Duval would start from day 1 barring any of that stuff. If Grayson returns, it's hard not to see him in the starting line-up, but if part of his trouble this season involved being surpassed by Luke, his return would almost certainly mean a new humility that would embrace the 6th man spot, too. Frank would make a strong case for a 3-guard starting line-up. If we get Knox, Trent's minutes could get squeezed some, though he's certainly big enough we should expect to see him at the "3." Carter is going to see time at the 5. He just is. We all know this. Whether we like the prospect of his being the primary 5 is a matter of opinion we'll surely debate anytime we lose, but everyone should not [only] accept, but approve of his seeing some time there. I'd love Vrank to be a big contributor, but should Quis start at the 5, anyone w/ the cookie cutter mentality that Vrank and only Vrank can sub for him is not ready for line-up discussions beyond the elementary school lunch table.
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I agree, there is probably more flexibility then we know, or K wouldn't be working hard for a commitment. I trust in what the coaches want to build. No matter what happens, I'm just excited for s new year!
Javin could sub for Ques. Carter moves to the 5. If we go small ball, Trent could to and Wendell slides to 5...
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I agree jnood, I am too! I just EXPECT great things as we are an elite program. Candidly speaking, the last two years ( a sweet 16 and the round of 32) have been disappointments.
#WeAreDuke
They haven't been the greatest years, as far as tourney production, or even viewing pleasure, but I feel like we generally rebound quickly as a program and often get pleasant surprises! A year like next year, with some lowered expectations and good luck, could turn into something great.
If we get Duval, Trent will definitely see some time at the 4.
Last year was the toughest year, since Langdon's freshman year 94-95. I remember years by players, I guess I could of just said 94-95, but I'm sure you understand.
I feel fantastic about the upcoming season as long as something doesn't go wrong with Trevon. We miss there and we got problems.
Yeah really that team last year OVERACHIEVED in a sense, as it was a transition type team w/loss of 4 starters...
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I agree that K does still think defense is important. I guess what I've said in here elsewhere as well a few other guys is that last year the best mix had Tatum at the 4...At least in Ks opinion. Which meant he was likely consciously sacrificing some defense for more offense. Not that he was opposed to defnese altogether.
So where does White fit in at? Knox would be a luxury at this point and Duval is a must get.
If Duke goes small moving Carter to the five at 6'9" ( I think that was his size at the Nike hoop summit) then where does Bolden and Javin fit in? Where Does Big V fit in? Same problem next season as this one if Duke goes small, imo.
It will be interesting to see where Javin, White and Big V fit in should Duke land Knox and Allen returns. Allen is a scorer, with Duval attacking and Jackson mentality in defense throw in Trent Jr and that's a dangerous back court. add White and Javin in the front court With Carter and Bolden with Big V coming off the bench and I see no reason why K wouldn't go atleast 8-9 deep the substitution is there and as long as the returning players work on their game this off season I don't see how you don't rest your players.
One thing is for sure. If Allen returns and Duke lands Duval with Jackson and Trent. There is no reason for any player to average 38 minutes a game.
If Duke goes small moving Carter to the five at 6'9" ( I think that was his size at the Nike hoop summit) then where does Bolden and Javin fit in? Where Does Big V fit in? Same problem next season as this one if Duke goes small, imo.
It will be interesting to see where Javin, White and Big V fit in should Duke land Knox and Allen returns. Allen is a scorer, with Duval attacking and Jackson mentality in defense throw in Trent Jr and that's a dangerous back court. add White and Javin in the front court With Carter and Bolden with Big V coming off the bench and I see no reason why K wouldn't go atleast 8-9 deep the substitution is there and as long as the returning players work on their game this off season I don't see how you don't rest your players.
One thing is for sure. If Allen returns and Duke lands Duval with Jackson and Trent. There is no reason for any player to average 38 minutes a game.
Glad you brought this up Shey. I would love to see more of "Jumpin Jack," and see no reason we could not go 9 deep....K likes to settle on 7 as we know, especially late in year however, and that could leave a couple out.
Just for thinking out loud purposes, I'd say a Knox pick-up probably limits mins of Jack and/or Javin....However I look for one or both of these guys to make significant strides this summer...
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I agree with what everyone is saying. I just see some potential in the bench that can be used.
It will be I tresting to hear how much Jack,Javin, Jackson and Big V progress over the summer. I would say Bolden but I think his plan is to work his tail off this summer and be ready for the start of the season.
I can get behind that. It was whatever gave us the best chance of winning. Be that additional offense or even just Tatum's better rebounding ability
Uh oh.. we haven't fared well with "creative" announcements.. not another HB! 
http://usatodayhss.com/2017/nike-hoop-summit-mo-bamba-trevon-duval-nearing-college-choices
Duval said he plans to announce by the end of April and plans to add some flavor to how he announces where his next home will be.
“It’s going to be something…me and my dad are going to come up with something that is different and creative”, Duval said on how exactly his announcement will be made. It will be worth the wait, he promised.
“It’s going to be something different that no one has ever done before,” he said.
http://usatodayhss.com/2017/nike-hoop-summit-mo-bamba-trevon-duval-nearing-college-choices
Duval said he plans to announce by the end of April and plans to add some flavor to how he announces where his next home will be.
“It’s going to be something…me and my dad are going to come up with something that is different and creative”, Duval said on how exactly his announcement will be made. It will be worth the wait, he promised.
“It’s going to be something different that no one has ever done before,” he said.
Have any of these staged announcements ever made a recruit look better than he did beforehand? I'd venture a 'no'. It's like a couple going nuts over planning their wedding, overspending, overthinking. It's what you do in the years AFTER your wedding day that counts. The actual event can be enjoyed without much planning.
Amen to that. On my 2nd one and the first was over $50k spent and fell flat. The current one? about $3k and it's been awesome. Funny how that works!