Tough Love

[RutherfordBHayes]

BlackBear Lurkers,
Immunity does not mean that the NCAA is going to take anything that a former recruit says and convict you with it. That's just silly. How that happens, I am not sure, but they will require confirmation through evidence or convincing corroboration. That is good news for you.

However, I seriously doubt the NCAA is going to fly several enforcement staff down South and meet with recruit, Mom, Dad, and high school coaches as part of some grand fishing expedition. That's silly too. If they go through all of that trouble and offer immunity to a former recruit, precedent tends to point to more of a confirming process than a fishing expedition. That is bad news for you.

So, come on guys. Be logical. The NCAA is putting an enormous amount of effort into this investigation. They are clearly leaking information to reporters, and you currently have eight level 1 violations. Eight. That's enough to ban bowl games, lose 20 scholarships, disassociate boosters, and show cause coaches if they want to. And clearly, they want to do so.

And, for heaven's sake, stop with the lawyer up and sue nonsense! You sound like a bunch of petulant sorority girls threatening to sic daddy on Winthorpe for being mean! And you can't sue the NCAA for enforcing the rules that you've AGREED to follow. And you can't just demand that the NCAA go away, or stop cooperating like you are pleading the 5th amendment or some nonsense! There is no 5th Amendment in NCAA football. There is no innocent until proven guilty in NCAA football. Just stop. You are embarrassing yourselves.

 

[Confucius Say]

Thank you. Well said. Especially the part about the players at other schools providing corroboration or some type of evidence or information that can be corroborated. The NCAA is not going to dismantle a program based solely off the word of an 18 year old playing at another school. So stop the whining

 

[TBone.sixpack]

You think this group is going to stop embarrassing themselves?

This fanbase takes the Gold in insanity over college football.

 

[121Josey]

I don't get the populist attitude: "NCAA, stay out of our business. You're messing with the wrong people."

When the NCAA turns up the heat, they've got nobody to blame but themselves, starting from the top.

 

[codeDawg]

Only this group can look at a 28 line item NOA and say the NCAA can't find anything.

 

[preacher_dawg]

I don't have anything to add, I just want to post and bump such a great thread.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Winthorpe....Does that make Bucky & Bjork Mortimer & Randolph? Eh, that may be giving them too much credit for intelligence & sanity.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

After the FACTS, I don't get the "they've found nothing" line or the "there's no pay for play!"

That's like bragging to your buddies, "I've been indicted with EIGHT felonies, but I didn't rape or kill anybody!"

Congrats. You're going to prison for 30 years instead of 60.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

What gets me is "they have found nothing. They are stooping to fishing for information now. It just proves they can't find anything after years of investigation."

Umm. They have already dropped one NOA with damning accusations including academic fraud. That NOA wasn't retracted. However, they are talking like the first findings didn't happen and they will be vindicated when this round of investigation is over.

Im astounded at the hive mentality and the party line they can stick to. If this was happening at MSU, it would be like a Chinese fire drill on this board and the fanbase as a whole.

 

[maroonmadman]

What gets me is "they have found nothing. They are stooping to fishing for information now. It just proves they can't find anything after years of investigation."

Umm. They have already dropped one NOA with damning accusations including academic fraud. That NOA wasn't retracted. However, they are talking like the first findings didn't happen and they will be vindicated when this round of investigation is over.

Im astounded at the hive mentality and the party line they can stick to. If this was happening at MSU, it would be like a Chinese fire drill on this board and the fanbase as a whole.

This hive mentality is what's going to make this all soooo much fun for us when the NCAA finally drops the hammer on their ***. Those asshats are going to go freaking bezerk.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

This "looking into suing the NCAA for defamation" is bologna.

Defamation would require false information. The first NOA is enough to disprove defamation. TSUN has not disputed anything from the first NOA but the severity of one or two of the allegations. Their official response agrees that it all happened and that most of it is a level 1! That's called a guilty plea!

That's my favorite response, "we'll sue"... along with, "just stop cooperating with the NCAA." You Black Bears need to talk this stuff through. You're stupid if you believe those are really options.

 

[tatedog]

This "looking into suing the NCAA for defamation" is bologna.

Defamation would require false information. The first NOA is enough to disprove defamation. TSUN has not disputed anything from the first NOA but the severity of one or two of the allegations. Their official response agrees that it all happened and that most of it is a level 1! That's called a guilty plea!

That's my favorite response, "we'll sue"... along with, "just stop cooperating with the NCAA." You Black Bears need to talk this stuff through. You're stupid if you believe those are really options.

If nothing else, at least we can put "exemplary cooperation" safely to bed now.

 

[msstatelp1]

This "looking into suing the NCAA for defamation" is bologna.

Defamation would require false information. The first NOA is enough to disprove defamation. TSUN has not disputed anything from the first NOA but the severity of one or two of the allegations. Their official response agrees that it all happened and that most of it is a level 1! That's called a guilty plea!

That's my favorite response, "we'll sue"... along with, "just stop cooperating with the NCAA." You Black Bears need to talk this stuff through. You're stupid if you believe those are really options.

I would love for UM to go into a court of law over this. Can you say "subpoena"?

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

There is no way they are going to sue for defamation. That's complete nonsense. I am sure that some of these trial lawyers have discussed a legal strategy over their whisky sours, but I seriously doubt that any in the athletics department have wasted their time with such an absurd idea. These boys is getting desperate.
Hopefully, reality will set in soon and the discussion will turn to penalties, so we won't have to suffer through their denial phase anymore.