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sunsetregret

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If you followed my post and learned how to actually comprehend what you read, you would of saw that I have always believed that we could be a middle of the pack Big Ten team. Maryland, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern and perhaps Michigan State and Iowa.

But you could bring in Urban Meyer tomorrow and we are never going to get a whiff of OSU, PSU, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska.

You have erected quite a strawman to smash ... because I can't remember anyone (except for Al, whom everyone either hates, laughs at, or both) suggest we were going to be OSU, PSU or Michigan. I think a fairly common theme on this board (for years) has been that if we ever made an effort, and caught a few breaks, we could be Michigan State or Iowa.

And as I also stated Ash may or may not be the guy who gets us to middle of the pack land. But slitting our collective wrists over a hard fought 30-0 loss in Iowa City where clearly the players gave it their all will not solve anything.

Yes, I know ... for the 981st game in the school's history, the players gave it their all. Unfortunately, eventually you have to demand results from someone or you will never actually get results.

But if it helps you to sleep better taking shots at a few posters who don't want to wait outside Ash's house and string him up, then have had it.

I don't want to string-up Ash; it's not his fault he's still employed at the University. I certainly don't expect him to resign. He's trying his best, it's just not anywhere near good enough. The persons most responsible for this current mess are Barchi and Hobbs.
 

Kbee3

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I would like to know what coach is going to come to Rutgers and put us on the same level with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Michigan State?

Since everyone seems to think it is all Ash's fault. And before that it was all Flood's fault and before that it was all Schiano's fault..............
Actually it was all Terry Shea's fault.
 

Kbee3

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Well it’s certainly hopeless with Ash. A new coach can maybe galvanize recruiting. Even then it will be several years before there are any real results. Just amazing the mistakes we keep making. Hiring Flood and then this dud personality in Ash.
The only galvanizing to recruiting here was done by Schiano. I didn't think when he left that RU could possibly find a decent replacement. I'm becoming convinced that I was right.
 

BigDelHawk

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Maybe you should take a look at how long you've been here as opposed to
Goku. Many of us have been pulling for RU a very long time and had way too few chances to be optimistic.
Today's results appear to be yet another start to a terrible season.
Hey, you played a better than usual Iowa team. You need to be patient, give a guy four or five years so long as you see growth.
 

albanyknight

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You have erected quite a strawman to smash ... because I can't remember anyone (except for Al, whom everyone either hates, laughs at, or both) suggest we were going to be OSU, PSU or Michigan. I think a fairly common theme on this board (for years) has been that if we ever made an effort, and caught a few breaks, we could be Michigan State or Iowa.



Yes, I know ... for the 981st game in the school's history, the players gave it their all. Unfortunately, eventually you have to demand results from someone or you will never actually get results.



I don't want to string-up Ash; it's not his fault he's still employed at the University. I certainly don't expect him to resign. He's trying his best, it's just not anywhere near good enough. The persons most responsible for this current mess are Barchi and Hobbs.

Congratulations - That is a whole lot of work to still get so many things wrong. So I will spell it out for you so we don't have to keep going back and forth:

1. I said some people thought we could be Penn State and Michigan. I went to great pains to say that one of those people was not me. I have said from Day 1, that no matter who we get to coach us, our ceiling was a middle-of-the-pack Big Ten program.

2. I also have said in multiple posts that I don't know if Ash is going to get it done or not. At this point I am in the he won't get it done camp. However, I have followed football long enough to know that you don't write off a team that is 1-1 and played a very tough Iowa team in Iowa City. My ONLY point is let's wait till after Boston College, Illinois, Liberty and Indiana to render final judgement.

3. While not brought up, I am no Barchi fan but I also have not forgot that Hobbs has given us Steve Pikiell and has done an overall good job as AD. Unlike other posters who try and give the impression that they are in the locker room every day and know the inside story, I do not. I have no idea what kind of person Ash is behind the scenes and if the stories being told on these boards are true or not. Maybe you don't want to string him up, but you have to admit that the vitriol on this board for a 1-1 team is off-the-charts. As Bill Parcells often said..........................You are what your record says you are and we are 1-1 with a very winnable game coming up.

There will be plenty of time to go off the deep end if we lose to BC and get hammered by Indiana, Illinois and Maryland and then a full six months to take our collective disdain out on Barchi, Hobbs and Ash. All I'm saying is let it play out.
 
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sunsetregret

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There will be plenty of time to go off the deep end if we lose to BC and get hammered by Indiana, Illinois and Maryland and then a full six months to take our collective disdain out on Barchi, Hobbs and Ash. All I'm saying is let it play out.

Yes, but I'm in the "plenty of time to go off the deep end" period from last year when we got hammered by Kansas, Buffalo, Illinois and Maryland.
 
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RutgersRockies

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Hey, you played a better than usual Iowa team. You need to be patient, give a guy four or five years so long as you see growth.
There has been zero growth with this guy. It's not losing to Iowa that is the problem; it's being completely uncompetitive AGAIN.

The same stuff that happened in Year 1 is happening in Year 4. Rutgers had a legitimate shot to beat Iowa last time. Yesterday was a stark reminder of where RU is compared to the conference.
 

sunsetregret

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It's extremely hard to believe that there is a P5 program that is less committed to having a competitive football program than RU.

Oh, I don't think there are any P5 programs that are less committed ... but we have other inherent advantages over other programs that have nothing to do with commitment ... these would include our location, our media coverage, the in-state high school talent, and the idea that there are very few major conference programs within 300 miles of New Jersey.
 
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Mr. Magoo1

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Because he wanted to be a head coach and the Rutgers job was better than the Washington State job (as hard as that is to believe)?

Leach marches to his own drummer. Rutgers is way too PC conscious for a coach like Leach to succeed here. One mid-step by him and we’d shut the school down.
 

R1776U

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as negative as i can get.. the OP just took it to a low level even for my standards... FK you OP
 
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KevH

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I would like to know what coach is going to come to Rutgers and put us on the same level with Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Michigan State?

Since everyone seems to think it is all Ash's fault. And before that it was all Flood's fault and before that it was all Schiano's fault..............

It's a mistake, and a fantasy, for anybody to focus on those programs as a goal right now. If anything, that level of year-in-year-out success is a generational type goal... phase 2 or 3 of the process. The immediate goal should be a program that, on a consistent basis and on any given Saturday, can beat the lower and middle tier of the conference, play in the postseason, and occasionally upset one of the big name programs. That would signify the stabilization of a patient that's currently in critical condition. Reach that level, and watch attendance, donations and recruiting all pick up. Then, and only then, can we talk about moving into the B1G penthouse suite.
 

KevH

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I know who Lance Leipold is. I was intrigued by him back in 2017 when he went 6-6 at Buffalo. Which is not an easy place to win at. My post was to show, that people need not worry about coaches wanting to work here, they will pick up the phone. You just have to present the right deal to them and they will sign on the dotted line.

This. And, my belief is that, aside from money, any coach worth his salt is going to have other demands about how things are going to happen once he's hired. I think this is where a lot of negotiations fall apart. Think about it. A smart coach would want to be sure that RU is serious about giving him the absolute best chance to succeed. For the good coaches, that usually means a level of control that I think RU leadership is way too afraid to grant. They don't know how to lead a university with a strong football program and strong figurehead to lead it. I dare them to prove me wrong.
 

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You could bring in Urban Meyer tomorrow and we are never going to get a whiff of OSU, PSU, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nebraska.

Why not? What is so inherently wrong with Rutgers that even with Urban Meyer, we can’t get “a whiff” of third place in our division?

Just an FYI, Flood coached us to 4th place in the division in 2014. Higher than Michigan and PSU.


And just to be clear, I think there’s zero chance Urban comes here, and I have no dreams of winning the conference. However I don’t think our situation is so f***ed up that a guy who has won EVERYWHERE will be a loser here.
 

BigDelHawk

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It's a mistake, and a fantasy, for anybody to focus on those programs as a goal right now. If anything, that level of year-in-year-out success is a generational type goal... phase 2 or 3 of the process. The immediate goal should be a program that, on a consistent basis and on any given Saturday, can beat the lower and middle tier of the conference, play in the postseason, and occasionally upset one of the big name programs. That would signify the stabilization of a patient that's currently in critical condition. Reach that level, and watch attendance, donations and recruiting all pick up. Then, and only then, can we talk about moving into the B1G penthouse suite.
Iowa chased Steve Alford out after we promised him a new basketball practice facility, which never materialized. It was a mistake IMHO. He had to share practice time with the girls volleyball team and the girls basketball team. He since then has put out some really good basketball teams. What I am getting to is that Ash had to fight lack of facilities (A practice bubble is old school when teams are building training palaces) and staff turnover is hurting you. When you get a good assistant, they are stolen by better-paying programs with easier recruiting. IDK the answer. All I know is a revolving door at HC is problematic. Look what happened to Pitt after they fired Wanstadt. They became a shitshow for years, and they have solid facilities. I see 5-6 games you have a shot at winning. Hell, your kicker alone will win a couple of games for you. That was a kicking clinic he put on.
 

KevH

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Iowa chased Steve Alford out after we promised him a new basketball practice facility, which never materialized. It was a mistake IMHO. He had to share practice time with the girls volleyball team and the girls basketball team. He since then has put out some really good basketball teams. What I am getting to is that Ash had to fight lack of facilities (A practice bubble is old school when teams are building training palaces) and staff turnover is hurting you. When you get a good assistant, they are stolen by better-paying programs with easier recruiting. IDK the answer. All I know is a revolving door at HC is problematic. Look what happened to Pitt after they fired Wanstadt. They became a shitshow for years, and they have solid facilities. I see 5-6 games you have a shot at winning. Hell, your kicker alone will win a couple of games for you. That was a kicking clinic he put on.

True, but that doesn't mean you don't make a change when necessary. This program is not trending in the right direction. If there were tangible signs to the contrary (better recruiting, an increasing level of competitiveness, etc.), more of us would have hope and patience. The best way to prevent a revolving door at HC is to make a better (smarter) hire.
 
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The most frustrating part of the Ash experiment is that there has been absolutely no progress towards wins and this is year four.
I have always been a believer in letting a football coach a few seasons to bring in his types of players. By year 3 you should start to see progress. with Ash there has been NO PROGRESS and we are at the beginning of year 4. I don't know but maybe by the end of the season Ash will finally get his signature win.