Top 3Rd, 5 to 5, blew that lead

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Lets go Dogs.

 

[msstate7]

The bunting is getting ridiculous

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

You bunt, just to get ahead

problem is we don't have the pitching to back it up, and make it stand. (not now anyway)

 

[57stratdawg]

Tied at 7. Ross unable to hold a lead MSU got after a RHumphreys bomb.

 

[patdog]

No. You bunt because you're an idiot. Boyd's stats prove that if you move the runner up and give up an out in the college game, you decrease both your chances of scoring and your expected runs scored. You literally do the other team a favor if you bunt, even if you're 100% successful. And we're a bad bunting team. We get out hitters into 0-2 and 1-2 counts as often as we move the runner over.

 

[Hammer Down]

If bunting is so stupid, then do coaches all over the country do it? It is not just Cohen. Is Augie Garrido an idiot? Or could it POSSIBLY be that applying blanket statistics to every situation is really the dumb thing to do?

Look, I love math and numbers as much as anyone (deal with it for a living), but it is how you INTERPRET them, that makes them useful.

 

[patdog]

Coaches all over the country DON'T do it to anywhere near the extent Cohen does. We lead the SEC in bunts, and other than Tennessee (another awful offensive team) no one else is even close.

 

[57stratdawg]

That's what drives me nuts about Cohen. Hes a match up guy - plays the numbers. Right on left, left on left. 50+ lineups in 50+ games.

But he COMPLETELY ignores the OVERWHELMING information out there that says bunting cost you runs.

 

[57stratdawg]

How can you act like you know college baseball, yet post stuff like this that and be so completely lost on the subject?

 

[Hammer Down]

No offense but I happen to think you and similar thinkers to you are the lost ones. Plus, it is a pet peeve of mine when people look ONLY at statistics/numbers/etc.

 

[rugbdawg]

It's official. You are a Cohen sheep.

This night has confirmed it for me. Cohen is done. He has lost it. If we successfully sac bunted like he wanted tonight, we would be losing. He is a dumbass.

QUOTE=Hammer Down;1103230]No offense but I happen to think you and similar thinkers to you are the lost ones. Plus, it is a pet peeve of mine when people look ONLY at statistics/numbers/etc.[/QUOTE]

 

[patdog]

Baseball is the quintessential statistics sport. Have you ever read the book Moneyball. Billy Beane built the Oakland A's into a consistent winner despite being a small-market team using statistical analysis. Of course there are times when a bunt is the right call. But not in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th innings with one of you best hitters at the plate. And not nearly as often as Cohen does it.

 

[patdog]

The best matchup is to get your best 9 hitters to the plate every game and let them hit.

 

[Hammer Down]

Baseball is the quintessential statistics sport. Have you ever read the book Moneyball. Billy Beane built the Oakland A's into a consistent winner despite being a small-market team using statistical analysis. Of course there are times when a bunt is the right call. But not in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th innings with one of you best hitters at the plate. And not nearly as often as Cohen does it.

Stats are more relevant in MLB. I thought Ron Polk wrote the book on NCAA baseball anyway. And Cohen has advanced farther than Polk, with much less talent.

I am not saying that Cohen does not over-think **** sometimes. I don't particularly like his obsession with statistics either. But the constant criticism is not warranted in my opinion. People wanted small ball back when Polk was here, now they do not. Can't win for losing.

 

[patdog]

Nobody wanted small-ball when Polk II was here. Hell, the only real success he had at MSU was from 1978 - 1990. And he sure as hell didn't do it with small-ball. Dudy Noble Field used to be a hitters park back in those days.

 

[Ace-Leroy]

This night has confirmed it for me. Cohen is done. He has lost it. If we successfully sac bunted like he wanted tonight, we would be losing. He is a dumbass.

QUOTE=Hammer Down;1103230]No offense but I happen to think you and similar thinkers to you are the lost ones. Plus, it is a pet peeve of mine when people look ONLY at statistics/numbers/etc.

[/QUOTE]

Whatever he is doing , it is not working. We are a terrible baseball team right now, which is all that matters. We suck.

 

[Hammer Down]

Yeah let's just quit wasting each other's time if you are going to just make stuff up.

 

[ShrubDog]

Cohen's Goat.

The more you bunt with runners on base creates less chances at multi run Home Runs. That is how I see things sometimes and I am not talking about numbers and stats only runs produced.

This night has confirmed it for me. Cohen is done. He has lost it. If we successfully sac bunted like he wanted tonight, we would be losing. He is a dumbass.

QUOTE=Hammer Down;1103230]No offense but I happen to think you and similar thinkers to you are the lost ones. Plus, it is a pet peeve of mine when people look ONLY at statistics/numbers/etc.

[/QUOTE]

Now for our stats compared with a decent team at UCF.


MSU
#21 Sac Bunts

#102 Home runs


UCF

#151 Sac Bunts

#1 Home Runs

 

[57stratdawg]

But when you typed "then why do so many coaches do it" you either ignored, or didn't realize, that basically no other coach bunts at the rate Cohen save Tennessee.

 

[Hammer Down]

Some pretty good teams have done it more:

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/baseball/d1/current/team/498

Ha, you are making me beat you with statistics, which I try not to do. In your case you are trying too hard.

We bunt a lot, so what. We are hardly unique in that aspect.

 

[ShrubDog]

I tried real hard to find a very simple example that our bunting is not producing enough runs to win games.

It may work for other teams but that is not our formula right now. And I can produce trends that say anything like a tout. And you are nothing more than a square tout.

 

[ShrubDog]

Can you explain why Jackson State is ranked about 150 spots ahead of us for doubles per game. Let me guess they face weaker pitchers.

 

[57stratdawg]

Like who? Texas and Oregon are both 17-11 on the year. The top 4 teams in SEC this year in Sacrifices are UT, MSU, UGA, and Auburn. There is a real chance at least 3 of those teams will not make a regional.

If your stance is "we bunt alot, so what" then the game has passed you by. I think most people understand that when they read your post though.

 

[57stratdawg]

Can you explain why Jackson State is ranked about 150 spots ahead of us for doubles per game. Let me guess they face weaker pitchers.

That's unbelievable.

 

[ShrubDog]

Well its actually worseR

JSU #19

MSU #187

But OM is #188 ha

 

[ronpolk]

Baseball is the quintessential statistics sport. Have you ever read the book Moneyball. Billy Beane built the Oakland A's into a consistent winner despite being a small-market team using statistical analysis. Of course there are times when a bunt is the right call. But not in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th innings with one of you best hitters at the plate. And not nearly as often as Cohen does it.

Agree 100% on the bunting part of this post. It's dumb to do it early in the game, especially when your bullpen can't hold the lead anyway.

 

[HD6]

Of the teams ranked ahead of us in bunting only Texas and Arizona are ranked in this week's d1baseball.com poll, at #24 and #25. And we beat Arizona twice, so how good can they be? Both are unlikely to be regional hosts.

 

[gymdawg.sixpack]

Most yrs i didnt mind the bunting. We had such good pitching if we scored 3 runs we had a great shot to win that game. So yeah, bunt runners over with renfroe in the 1st. It was worth the risk. Now though, we need more like 6+ and the bunting makes no sense.