Tommy Armstrong
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I didn't say he was great in Riley's offense. I said he would have been a stud in Frost's offense. Big difference. The dude play after play kept plays alive while running for his life. The few times I saw him run straight spring options the guy was great at it. In the zone read, he was pretty darned good too. Frost would have tailored a game plan to fit his skills and with his size, strength and elusiveness, he would have been very good in Frost's offense. WCO? Not so much. You should have appreciated TA a whole bunch more after watching Tanner Lee try to get a pass off with our offensive line woes.How many interceptions did he have again.
Despite the issues you have mentioned. ...Frost would not have recruited him.....and he would not have played in his offense. Why people try to bring back former players and include them in today's scheme is amazing to me.......
Of course you didn't, but it's obvious I hit one with you, Mr. No Talent at all, hilarious!
Grow up? That's rich coming from some loser who hasn't done anything in life, yet has to come around and vent stupidity towards players you dislike, you're a walking cliché. Well done loser, well done! Now you can move on.
Hell I hit a couple nerves......good on me!!
Keep trying to describe someone you don't know......it's actually very entertaining.
Your mom will probably be home soon....better shut it down son before you get grounded.
You said you were moving on bright boy, guess that nerve of yours is still hurting. And I described you perfectly and you know it, now keep moving on, lest you're intent on making a bigger fool of yourself than you already have.
TA would have been a good fit for TOs offense. Big, durable, good runner, good enough passer to hit the guys that were usually wide open when a pass play was called. Frost's offense is pretty sophisticated in terms of passing, with throws to all parts of the field. Not Tommy's cup of tea.
I actually think TMart, once he had a season or so with Mario, would have worked out in Frost's offense.
I actually think TMart, once he had a season or so with Mario, would have worked out in Frost's offense.
He literally was recruited by Frost while at Oregon.
Hated seeing that injury. We probably beat Iowa that year if he could do anything more than walk.
Here's an idea...be quiet while the adults talk. Tommy Armstrong played his *** off constantly for this program, and you're going to bag on him for signing a lower level gig?
Think if he wasn't jerked in multiple directions in terms of offenses during his Nebraska career. The guy was a gamer if you ask me. He is almost solely responsible for any success we ever had under Riley.
Some people will defend TA tooth and nail because he’s a past Husker warrior, but are perfectly ok with trashing TMart any chance they get.
As a recruit, TA would have been a lot higher on Frost's board than guys currently here. As a true freshman, TA's trajectory would have been much more suited to Frost's style.
Comparing his throwing stats to guys like Frazier, Frost as a player, Jamaal Lord? Come on, Tommy could sling it better than them. He reminded me more of Steve Taylor and Turner Gill, and would have been equally as good in TO's system.
The TA hate will never stop, and never stop being completely unjustified. Guy was running for his life half the time, still making plays.
Adrian martinez is already better than tommy. Tommy would have been ok and would have been used more in the running game in frosts offense. He was a little below tyrod taylor
Unfortunately, TM while a great athlete who put up tremendous numbers, didn't exactly put up an endearing personality. His adoption of his mentor's surly persona was not a positive. Neither TM nor TA were great pure passers. Both had accuracy and decision making issues. Both played through injury. Neither had the advantage of a great coaching staff and O line in front of them. One was a likeable guy and one was not. IMO TA was MUCH better at decision making in the option run game whether is was zone read or sprint options.Some people will defend TA tooth and nail because he’s a past Husker warrior, but are perfectly ok with trashing TMart any chance they get.
Ludicrous take. AM is already twice the QB Tommy ever was. Twice the passing ability, twice the football IQ. If a QB can’t throw over the middle, they are not starting over AM and they are not starting in Frost’s offense.
that might be a valid point. Some of that IMO was a coaching and repetition problem possibly. Frost's QBs probably get some where near 3 times as many reps as Riley's did. There was a whole lot of standing around and talking during Riley's practices. TA did okay if I remember correctly on WR screens which is a huge part of Frost's offense. Where he struggled the most was the short middle screens with linemen in his face. No question accuracy was a problem for him at times but he also played most of 2 years with lower leg injuries that probably didn't help his accuracy..
What is AM's winning %?
I am not arguing the point that AM is a better QB, but Tommy won a lot of football games with pretty avg to completely crap OL. He beat some good football teams and programs.
Nobody on any level of football is going to say that TA is a better QB than AM. AM is on a whole different level talent wise as a QB. AM is a natural passer with a high football IQ, and he can run. A true dual threat. Tommy was an athlete with a strong arm. I’m not trying to Knock Tommy as much as I’m praising AM. I’m not sure some people realize how special AM is.
AM's winning % was not on him. That said, TA carried his team on many occasions. TA was a great competitor and Frost would have loved having that kid with his attitude on his team. I loved TA but man some times his decision making just left me speechless. Again, I think coaching and our offensive line woes played a big part of that.
Armstrong beat Georgia at the end of his redshirt freshman season, and beat some good teams as a redshirt sophomore. I suspect Martinez will as well, in his second and third years in the program.
AM has a chance to be a DeShaun Watson-type player, I agree. Doesn't diminish Tommy one bit.
Never said I didn’t appreciate his efforts but he still made bad decisions ( remember the Iowa game at the goal line in 2015)Frost and Verduzco wouldn’t have put up with that especially if they had another QB like 2AM...
By the way Nebraska just might have beaten Iowa that day outgaining them 433 to 250 but TA threw 4 interceptions one I mentioned was a big one...
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This is not a blast against Tommy Armstrong. He was a warrior for NU. However he is barely among the top ten QB's in Neb history since 1980. AM will be amongst the top five if not already and will probably be mentioned as part of the top three or even better by the time he is done.
Tommy would not be a good fit in anyway for Frost's offense. Tommy while a very good if not great athlete was just an average QB who athleticism allowed him to make plays at times! Frost's offense calls upon the QB to make quick and accurate decisions and that was not Tommy's forte'. Yes I believe he would say that himself!
Tommy does not start in Frost's offense over Martinez even as a Senior. However he most likely would have been moved to another position and excelled there and possibly had a shot to make it at the next level. He was that good of an athlete. Sometime at another position would have given him a much better chance to make it !
Tommy would not be a good fit in anyway for Frost's offense. Tommy while a very good if not great athlete was just an average QB who athleticism allowed him to make plays at times! Frost's offense calls upon the QB to make quick and accurate decisions and that was not Tommy's forte'. Yes I believe he would say that himself!
Tommy does not start in Frost's offense over Martinez even as a Senior. However he most likely would have been moved to another position and excelled there and possibly had a shot to make it at the next level. He was that good of an athlete. Sometime at another position would have given him a much better chance to make it !
In any clip I've seen of Verduzco talking about the role of the QB in Frost's offense, the ability to make snap decisions while the play is unfolding is huge. Decision making was not TA's strongest suit. It is a skill that AMart is still developing.
Frost and Verdusco probably would have drilled him on that situation a 100 times so that TA knew precisely what to do. It's just a whole different situation IMO for TA versus what AM has in place for a support structure. Look, I'm not saying TA would have been an All-American in Frost's system. AM very possibly could be. TA darned well could have been all B1G in Frost's system. JMHO.
Why the hell weren’t Riley and Lang’s doing with him then since their offense experts..RollingLaugh
I suspect they did situational reps with TA. I want to be careful with my words but I also suspect TA maybe required a few more reps in practice than AM does to fully integrate those teaching points. TA's strength was his ability to ad lib on the move and sometimes that caused some issues. It also saved our bacon more often than not covering some of our other offensive deficiencies.
There are so many a-holes on these boards. But don't call them out or you'll get called names like snowflake, millenial, cupcake, butthurt, woman, etc...
Hope TA kills it with the Danger.
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Quite frankly, I really don't care much if they don't have an endearing personality. All I know is when TM was healthy, he was a truly incredible weapon. Easily the quickest acceleration I've ever seen at NU (by a country mile). Just try to imagine what outrageous numbers NU would have racked up if he had the supreme OLines Gill, Frazier, Frost, etc had.
Ludicrous? AM is 2x the QB Tommy was? Wow, you sure throw around ******** like you know what you are talking about.
Generally, most coaches would agree that college football is more of a game of Juniors and Seniors. It takes guys awhile to develop physically, but also mentally. Having that kind of uppclass leadership is one of the big things AM is missing, and it hurts his development, because he has no one else to show him how things are done.
Now, both guys are talented athletes, and it's easy to argue one over the other. I would probably say Adrian is the better passer. Tommy the better runner. But I would also say so far, I like Tommy's leadership better. He would go try to make something happen, and that is important for a QB. Adrian still needs to develop this skill, and until he does, we will have more trouble winning games that are close or if we are trying to come from behind.
I challenge you to actually write something thoughtful and explain in real terms how AM is 2 times better than TA. Instead of just throwing out bs, let's see you actually put some thought into your argument.