The debate is whether or not Herman would be a good hire and a good fit for Nebraska. I'm not saying he shouldn't be an option to be considered. But I refer back to my original post in this thread. His time at Texas makes me hesitant about how he would work out in the B1G at the head of a football program that often has recruiting classes ranked 20+. He had top resources and talent at his disposal there. What could he do here with what we have?
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Weren’t any perceived struggles he had, and his eventual firing more a biproduct of dealing with the suffocating stupid boosters at UT, who insist on running the program into mediocrity? Same happened to Mack. And poor Charlie didn’t get much of a swing
You act as if he walked into a team without any talent at all. At worst he had talent on par with us to work with.
And we will likely never again have the luxury of top 5-10 class nor the resources of a program like Texas.
What could he do with what we have in an arguably tougher conference?
Let’s not act like the West Division of the B1G is a gauntlet. TH took a program that had been losing and recruiting in the 20’s and won right away. He got them in the top 10 and was always competitive. I would think he could quickly get us competing for division titles.
It has been a gauntlet for us. 2017 was Texas's only class in the 20's (on par with us) in recent history. every other class from 2015 on was at least top 10 with a few top 5's. 5-4 7-2 5-4 5-3 in a conference like the Big 12 and with a team like Texas is underperforming.
We hope that of any coach we choose because while maybe our expectations have gone down over the years, we still have standards to be competitive in our conference and win titles.
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Living in Austin and following the Horns like I do our Huskers, Tom Herman would be an excellent hire.
Big 10 experience, Big University experience with entitled fans just like Nebraska, good recruiting (Texas)
connections, young and tough. I agree that Texas made a mistake in firing him But a new AD came in and we
know they like to have their own hires. I vote Yes if it comes to that.
Big 10 experience, Big University experience with entitled fans just like Nebraska, good recruiting (Texas)
connections, young and tough. I agree that Texas made a mistake in firing him But a new AD came in and we
know they like to have their own hires. I vote Yes if it comes to that.
In 13 and 14 they were 20 and 24, what’s left of those classes would have been Jr and Sr when Herman got to town. They were also coming off of a coach who went 16-21. He turned around Texas, quickly.
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Are you suggesting recruiting classes in the 20's is a bad thing and that those classes did not have talent in them (for reference, this is the average rank of NU's classes)? That those classes contributed to his lack of success (or at least where Texas wanted to be at)? did he not have 2015, 2016, 2018. 2019 top 5-10 talent to work with? Strange, that above average to elite talent in a overall weak conference and cant even get a conference championship in his four years there.
We can come up with all the excuses in the world. Blame previous coaches. Blame Corona. But at a top program in terms of financial value, if you don't meet expectations within a certain time, you are let go. We are no different at Nebraska. The only difference is we don't have that level of player talent to select from nor do we have the same financial leverage that Texas does. If Herman can't get it done at Texas, I'm not confident with our inferior talent and resources, he could do any better here. With that said, I would take him in a heartbeat over Frost but I would take a lot of other coaches over Frost. So, it's really not saying much.
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You sound insane. No one is making excuses for him, because you don’t need to, he did a good job at Texas and a great job at Houston. At Texas, he turned a looser into a winner, even a Top 10 team and recruited great. Letting him go was Texas failure, not his.
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You just cited Texas recruiting classes from '13, '14, and '17, as if that held him back. Brushed aside the top 10-5 classes he had and the talent level he walked into. That's insane.
Winning? he went 22-13 in that ****** conference with stacked talent (the kind of talent we rarely get nowadays) never winning a conference title and you think he can come into the B1G and meet expectations here? If those expectations are to win a division title in a division that you think is weak? Maybe, maybe not, but is that something to be proud of if it is truly as weak as you say? And if the expectation is to win conference championships in 4 years time in the B1G as the HC of NU when he couldn't do it in the Big 12 as the HC of Texas...No shot.
Well his offense underperformed his first few years mostly thanks to the hiring of Tim Beck. There were signs the offense was turning into what was expected out of a Tom Herman offense in that last year, but instead of riding that momentum, Texas stupidly fired him instead. Demanding conference titles right away even after taking over after a losing season just because the program think it's their birthright is the epitome of stupidity.
The same argument was made when we got rid of Bo and hired Riley. When someone says they expect to win titles with the hiring of a new coach, it's obvious they're full of ****. There were countless people saying they expected to win conference titles under Riley and Frost, but then those same people excused the crappy performances we saw week after week under those coaching staffs.
Who said he is supposed to win the conference in 4 years? I pointed out the recruiting class and the previous coaches record to point out he didn’t inherit a program with all the advantages in the world, they were a bit of a mess and he did a good job fixing it. Maybe he didn’t meet the expectations you have in your head, but he did a good job and I’d be very happy if he was hired here.
NU's expectations and Texas's should not be compared. Texas has greater player talent, facilities, money, weaker conference (IMO). They really should expect conference championships more frequently. When you have these kinds of resources to pull from, the one thing that stands out if the team is not meeting expectation is the coaching staff.
For us, we could say its a bit of both coaching and lack of talent. Of course we are not in the position to demand championships (this isn't the 90's anymore). My point was looking at what Herman did with what he had at Texas and what he would have coming to Nebraska. No shot he could perform any better. So our expectations with him should be 7, 8, 9 wins on average with regular bowl appearances. Not so unlike some of our previously fired coaches...
News flash, when a program fires a coach, usually the previous staff doesn't leave them in the most ideal of position. But he was given ample time for a program like Texas and underperformed for the talent he had. It's as simple as that.
He didn’t underperform. He had 4 years and did a good job, both on the field and I recruiting. Simple as that.
Good enough is subjective. Good enough for Nebraska? maybe. Good enough for Texas? apparently not. Our standards of what is good and what isn't have been diminished over the years but that makes sense with so much losing. 7,8,9 wins with regular bowl appearances sounds appealing to alot of NU fans now.
We're both bluebloods and we actually have more national championships than they do. We have the same expectations. Sure Texas has all of those things, but I think it's a well known problem they have too many cooks in the kitchen. That's why a smaller school like ours can have comparable or maybe even better success historically because the head coach doesn't have to contend with that issue here and can just do his job. Herman very well could perform better here than he did at Texas, similar to when he could run the show at Houston and had a lot of success. 4 years is not a lot of time to win a conference championship. Count year 1 out because you're rebuilding from a losing season. Year 2 and 3 Oklahoma makes the playoff. Year 4 is a covid year. There's not many coaches who could mount a conference title run facing those circumstances. Year 5 may have been his best chance to do that, but we'll never know because he was fired. It's very simplistic to say you have all these resources... go win a championship. It's especially difficult when the most important resource a coach could have, freedom and autonomy to make decisions, is severely lacking in that program.
Well, when NU has won 4, 5, 3, and perhaps 3 again, at least 7, 8, 9 wins a year would give the program hope. Right now, its a hopeless program.
And those 7, 8, 9 wins can turn into 9, 10 and 11 wins if you hit the jackpot and find the right QB, hire a high quality OL coach, ST coach and QB coach.
For the last half dozen years, NU has been hampered by having 2 of the lousiest coaching staffs in all of Power 5.
It's time to turn the page on Frost. He talks, but he has no answers. I'm sorry, but when he is making $5 Million a year, there's not gonna be much sympathy from me. Fordham, Buffalo and Northwestern. Big whoopie.
Look at Dan Mullen of Florida. His first 3 years, 29-9 and they are running him off. Prior to that he was the Miss State head coach for 9 years and ALWAYS lost at least 3 games in a year. Did they think he was some kind of a miracle worker in that conference?
As long as NU has Frost tied to the hip of AM, that means he will be tied to the hip of the majority of this staff. When he's talking about "redemption" for a QB that is 3/4 of the way through year 4, it's time for a wake-up call.
I do not dispute that he had a lot of pressure to win. Every top program is this way.
Who were these extra cooks that supposedly impacted his coaching? Maybe you can point me to an article or something that would elaborate on how he wasn't able to have full control of his team at Texas?
I would always be in favor of giving a coach more time if after every year we had signs of progress, but a coach can plateau at a program and never really amount to much more than what he has already shown. Yeah, maybe he can have one great 10-11 season in like 10 years or so....Maybe we can find our Ferentz. Maybe we can hire him (I joke)....Sick
For NU, 4 years does not need to be the cut off point for a HC. But, I would like to see progress and a willingness from the coaching staff to make significant changes if need be. Frost hasn't shown he is capable of this...
Texas is the most overrated job in college football. I dont want to hear about location to recruits, money, facilities, etc. What I know is that they have had a ton of coaches the last few decades and they all produce squat. Something stinks at Texas and has for along time. And for all the talk about Nebraska not being able to land an elite coach, I would love for someone to explain why a school that is supposed to be a top 2 or 3 job can't get a sniff from an elite coach....
Progress is a dangerous word. Herman had a great year in year 2 and finished in the top 10. When you're coaching a constantly revolving door of players with different assistant coaches, progress isn't always linear and can be much more cyclic instead. Should he be punished for having his best year in year 2 instead of at a later time? Idk, 4 years isn't a huge sample size to tell if he had actually reached his peak or maybe he could have rebounded in later years and done even better. Intangibles have a lot to do with determining if a coach deserves more time. I think it's pretty clear Herman has them while someone like Frost doesn't.
Tom Herman was OC for OSU’s National Championship team in 2014. But it can’t be him so…
Someone with years (head coaching) experience in the B1G and reasonably successful is just my preference. Doesn't mean it can't be him.
Scott Frost had success as a coordinator and so did Bo Pelini, did that translate to successful head coaching material for us? No.
I don’t know, I’m so disillusioned with this staff every other option seems pretty good right now.
So who is this coach with successful B1G head coaching experience?
Illinois is 3-6. NU is 3-6. Illinois has had 4 one score losses.
Illinois beat NU, Charlotte and Penn State. NU beat Fordham, Buffalo, and Northwestern. Bert has a better resume than SF this year.
It's obvious Illinois has had a better year than NU. Not that that addresses your question, but to think SF takes a backseat to Bert is all anyone should need to know.
Wouldn't take much of a coach to exceed what little Frost has done at NU.
We know Frost sucks. Sorry that isn’t helpful. I would like to set the bar a little higher than just better that this **** show. Also, HELL NO on Bert.
LOL. Surely you don't think I was advocating ole Bert? Comparing Illinois and NU indicates NU has the bar set about ankle heighth.
Similar situation, but Frost is 15-26, so he’s actually been even worse than Charlie Strong was.