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I'm just glad he called out the "It's hard to recruit to starkville" people. That has always pissed me off seeing people say that since we do it basically in ever other sport.
What kills me more than anything is we were the No. 1 team in the nation and had/have one of the more marketable players in the nation with Dak, and we didn't capitalize.
My fear is we'll pussyfoot around in recruiting while Ole Miss is the bottom of the sewer. Hell, as Brian pointed out, we're probably going to finish in the low 30s and Ole Miss will climb to the high 30s...AND THE NCAA HAS THEIR NUTS WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING THIS YEAR!
My fear is we'll pussyfoot around in recruiting while Ole Miss is the bottom of the sewer. Hell, as Brian pointed out, we're probably going to finish in the low 30s and Ole Miss will climb to the high 30s...AND THE NCAA HAS THEIR NUTS WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING THIS YEAR!
Brian is too negative and Steve is too positive. The actuality is somewhere in the middle.
On the depressing note, I'll wait until signing day to draw my conslusion.
I didn't say he lied. Just saying that he can doom and gloom better than anyone and Steve can polish a turd with the best of them.
RELATED: Will Sammon (is that his name?) saying top recruits realize they have more options than State and OM? Well no crap, I'm sure they realize they have other options the second they get an offer from an out of state school. The point is we should figure out why we aren't appealing and fix those problems.
We are on the home stretch now. Where I generally check out on recruiting. These last two weeks are always silly and you never know how they actually went until a couple of seasons later. 2011 comes to mind.
We all agree that we need to do better. Or maybe not "better" -- but be a lot better at winning the press conference and controlling the thought process of the masses along the way. There seems to have been a time in this process that we could have flipped Bowie -- You do that -- even if there are other factors that go unseen and you aren't sure he turns into a great player at the next level. That's how you control momentum and the message. OM is tremendous at this -- and we don't even try.
We all agree that we need to do better. Or maybe not "better" -- but be a lot better at winning the press conference and controlling the thought process of the masses along the way. There seems to have been a time in this process that we could have flipped Bowie -- You do that -- even if there are other factors that go unseen and you aren't sure he turns into a great player at the next level. That's how you control momentum and the message. OM is tremendous at this -- and we don't even try.
It really is amazing how the positivity of a good recruiting finish lingers throughout the entire spring and summer leading up to the next season. It permeates the entire program and fan base.
Brian is not too negative. He absolutely nailed it. We should literally be ashamed that we will finish as close as we are to ole miss. Brian has really started to grow on me. If I would have heard Bob pump sunshine this morning I would have driven off the road.
They are on the verge of doing it again this weekend with a guy who is a sign and place, and one in which they probably won't even go after in two years. Yet they will play it up this weekend to try and show they are still in control.
I dunno if it's true or who the guy is, but ifyouonlyknew on ED acts like we may be about to pull some big names. Hope he's right, whoever he is.
He's someone who repeats what Steve, Robby, and Paul say in a way that it makes it sound like he's plugged in. If you subscribe to them then you can be as informed as he is.
Everyone needs to realize that the "info" people are being given is coming from 18yr old kids who tell people what they want to here. Cam Akers told every school he was going there. Willie Gay told our coaches he was committing and committed to OM a couple of hours later. The point is, most of these kids don't know what they're going to do come signing day, and the ones that think they know what they're going to do will change their minds 20 times before then. Kids don't want to upset these coaches calling them, so they tell them what they want to hear. Anyone claiming to know what's going on or claiming to be an "insider" is either full of **** or being fed **** from other people being fed ****.
Everyone needs to realize that the "info" people are being given is coming from 18yr old kids who tell people what they want to here. Cam Akers told every school he was going there. Willie Gay told our coaches he was committing and committed to OM a couple of hours later. The point is, most of these kids don't know what they're going to do come signing day, and the ones that think they know what they're going to do will change their minds 20 times before then. Kids don't want to upset these coaches calling them, so they tell them what they want to hear. Anyone claiming to know what's going on or claiming to be an "insider" is either full of **** or being fed **** from other people being fed ****.
Thank you! The right person with the right people skills can recruit anywhere, including Mississippi State. The fact remains after 8+ years that one of Dan Mullen's greatest weaknesses is his ability sell Mississippi State and recruit. The majority of that can be identified in his personality and the way he communicates with people. Between Mullen and his 1st Lt. they do not have the charisma to sell and close the deal (at least in this part of the country, against their peers). In fact I would argue Hevesy is worse than Mullen when it comes to people skills.
I can understand losing recruits. It happens to everyone. I can even understand losing some big time names as they seem to be the most wishy washy during the process. What I don't understand is losing guys who have been committed for over 6/7 months only to have a change of heart..errrr bag man...whatever it is...during the final two weeks. We go through this every year and it makes me scratch my head but at the end of the day, I'm not losing 17ing sleep. In fact, on the eve of National Signing Day I'll be snoozing like Sleepy P after a Sunday Hardees burger. At least we have a coach who can develop who we sign unlike a lot of clown *** coaches like Gus or Hugh...who rely on talent alone from year to year to dictate their success. We have built depth which is why we can say we've been to 7 bowl games in a row.
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I agree with you. I know it may seem silly to a lot of us but the fact of the matter is recruiting has become a big thing now all across the country and doing well- or at least the perception that you are doing well- does help with perception and selling the program. Dan does do some things- it's just that he seems to make the camp a big deal where we have several commits come out of that. I think that's good and he should keep doing that. But I would like to see him maybe add to that especially late in the process when recruiting is THE focus for the football starved in January and February. I would like to see us win a hat party at the Army and Under Armour All-American Games. We've had plenty of players over the years that played in those All-Star Games and I think it would be good to tell one of our recruits to do the hat thing a year. Like you said- it adds to the momentum from winning the Egg Bowl and the Bowl game for us- which would then carry over into the spring and eventually the season.
We have also had a few big commits late in the process in Chris Jones and Leo Lewis- we should keep doing that as well. And no I don't think Dan necessarily intends for things to work out like that.
You are right in that we approach recruiting totally differently. For our staff it seems to be mostly straight forward and all business and we don't seem to want to use it much to "play the recruiting games". There are some pros to that but you are correct that it doesn't necessarily help with perception and momentum.
I think the fact that we don't play the recruiting games a lot is why a lot of our fans "hate recruiting" or like you check out on recruiting. If something is perceived as constantly frustrating most people will simply just block it out and do something else less frustrating.
He is correct and something needs to be addressed. Voluntarily by Mullen or by force by Cohen.
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