Finish with 30 regular scholarship recruits plus Senior Grad Transfer Darrion Daniels and another one after the spring semester. You would have 32 new scholarship players plus around 20 walkons. Then in 2020 would Nebraska only be allowed to bring in 25? I don't understand why save 1 for the spring if it is within the rules to get that 1 by Feb 6 and get another one later.
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My understanding is your are allowed to bring in max 25 plus 5 for unused from previous year for a MAX of 30. Grad transfers DO count toward that total. so we are now at 26 with NPG. So there are 4 more spots remaining. As for next year we only have 16 seniors graduating so 16 spots PLUS anyone else who leaves jr/soph/fresh. I predict another 9 leaving and us fielding another 25 man class.
As ruffin said, 30 is the max we can take of "new scholarship"/"first scholarship" players.
Any new player to the team that will be on scholarship counts towards the max.
We must be down to 85 by Fall Camp.
We have 18 walk-on commits as of yesterday with 12 remaining walk-on targets, according to Nate.
Also as ruffin said, we have 16 seniors graduating, so 16 open spots for the 2020 class, plus any departures. This site is expecting a class of 22-25 next year.
Hard saying who might leave following their freshman, sophomore, or junior year, but some could see Spielman leaving to the NFL if he has an amazing year.
Other than that, some other questionable players going forwards would be Alexander and Jefferson, while some posters on this site started rumors awhile ago by saying McQuitty or Bradley. (No proof, only speculation and rumors)
Who knows who else could leave beyond those I mentioned, but IMO its more likely to be from a younger class than the 2020 senior class.
Any new player to the team that will be on scholarship counts towards the max.
We must be down to 85 by Fall Camp.
We have 18 walk-on commits as of yesterday with 12 remaining walk-on targets, according to Nate.
Also as ruffin said, we have 16 seniors graduating, so 16 open spots for the 2020 class, plus any departures. This site is expecting a class of 22-25 next year.
Hard saying who might leave following their freshman, sophomore, or junior year, but some could see Spielman leaving to the NFL if he has an amazing year.
Other than that, some other questionable players going forwards would be Alexander and Jefferson, while some posters on this site started rumors awhile ago by saying McQuitty or Bradley. (No proof, only speculation and rumors)
Who knows who else could leave beyond those I mentioned, but IMO its more likely to be from a younger class than the 2020 senior class.
Look at the list (https://dataomaha.com/documents/husker-scholarship-distribution). Probably 9-10 candidates there, but I very much doubt all will leave.
I mean I generally know who is on the roster, just don't know who might be a candidate to leave.
The attrition picture will likely come into focus after Spring Ball. Lots of RBs coming onto the roster and a kid like Jaylin could get buried. Butler at safety is a Junior with 2 career tackles. Bando needs to make a move this Spring. Alexander and/or Jefferson at OLB.
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Frost has shown he's not afraid to show players the door who don't fit into the program. I don't think all the attrition we saw that first year is all of a sudden going to stop. I'm not going to speculate who it's going to be, but I could easily see 9 players who will no longer be on the roster by Fall 2020. So yes, I think we will have room for 25 recruits next year.
The players to look at for attrition will be current r/s juniors who haven’t played a ton. Those players may well have their degrees and will have completed their 4 year guaranteed scholarship. At that point, Frost is under no obligation to keep the player on scholarship.
Are we maximizing the roster with the massive walk-on program? Is there potential to curtail development when trying to manage the volume.
This is an excellent question..i would say our program has the money and resources to hire enough people to manage the volume.
I believe there are NCAA guidelines as to how many staff you can have which every major program tries to maximize. If true then staff at Nebraska are tasked with managing more volume with the same resources vs other major programs.
Guidelines schmidelines. We have the cash.
One imagines the pace of walk-ons will slow down in coming years. I don't think they're going to have 120 of them in addition to their 85. There was attention given to the different pace and organization of practice when the new staff arrived, that they don't just have all these kids standing around watching the 1s and 2s practice.
I like the math the staff is putting together. A full class of 4* and solid 3* kids, a grad transfer or two, a JUCO or two, plus a deep pool of walk-ons. Some immediate upgrades plus foundations for the future.
The probability on walk-ons becoming stars says it's not likely, so you give yourself more bites at the apple to see if a handful of guys can break out and earn playing time by having a lot of them.
Agreed- my comments were directed at the comment about having enough money and resources to just hire people and have whatever number of walkons we want.
I said in June, and repeated any time the subject was brought up. - this staff has to recruit top 15 classes to compete with the elite. I was critical of taking low 3 star dudes just to lock them up, when no one else was looking at them. I also said that the excuses of record and location are just BS and ways for fans to justify having 20-29th rated classes. If you have products that people want to buy, they will buy.
It might not be as high as last year, but competition will be stiff and some aren't going to fit with the pace and effort Frost is demanding, and competition is coming from multiple directions with incoming Frosh and Walk-ons looking for a spot on the 2 deep.
Most of the guys from this year looked to be kids who are looking to get an opportunity somewhere else and likely a win-win for them and the program.
Yeah, fits were thrown about a certain RB commit re-opening his commitment. There's a DT's name you won't find on Nebraska's list either. I don't hear any complaints about the RB or DT class now.
The 500-mile radius, I get it. Get the very best guys from your area. But I have never been on that train of valuing lower-rated guys who are local over higher-rated guys from far away because of the vast global conspiracy of downgrading Nebraskan kids. I will always measure a class by how many blue chip guys you got at the top end.
They're trending the right way with the top of their class. Gotta keep that needle pointing up to catch PSU, UM, and OSU.
Those who are bullish on a big class next year should be mindful of the fact of the RS sophomores on the list, three is a reasonable transfer number and I see three RS juniors. Most of the juniors are in line to see time on the field. Scholarship spots will be at a premium next cycle.
Mark me down as looking for a class size in the 22-25 range. 16 grads, 3 oversigns, 6 departures is easy.
Remember, boys, it's not always guys you WANT to leave the team who end up off the team. People get into trouble, people end up with concussion problems, guys don't stay clean and have to be dismissed. If you're looking only for PT-related transfers you're not seeing the whole picture.
Aren’t you double counting three? When you count the three you’re allowed to over sign, then you will need to have nine leave. If you only have six leave then you will stay at 88. This is assuming you start the fall at 85.
Assuming the number is 25 in the next class
I think the number will get to 22 on the high end. Anything above that and we will be losing players we don’t want to be losing. With as quickly as the roster has turned over, Frost will be forced to cycle his own guys after a short period, if we get much more attrition than that.
Yeah, as usual, you're probably right on the numbers. I was thinking that this is just the normal, cyclical nature of recruiting; some years you get to sign a pretty big *** class, other years you scale back a bit because of a prior year being quite large.
If we're taking 30 this year, that's a lot. I would expect us to take 18-22 next year because of it.
If we sign loose 6 between now and dec(non seniors)...then we can sign 25 in our next class correct? And then would have the spring to clear out an additional 3?
This. The number of older kids that are on the “should be processed” list has dwindled and the younger guys are still being evaluated. The prior two staffs were overly conservative in terms of numbers and did not show much in the area of encouraging non-contributors to “evaluate their options”. This staff is different in that area.
Given that a portion of the roster is red shirting in any year, the reality is that the 85 spots are spread out over +4 years. 85/4.5=19. Unless the approach is to permanently up the roster churn (=run kids off), signing a big class in any one year means a small class or two more modest sized classes over the following 4 year arc. With NPG, there are 51 scholarship kids on the roster with two or more years of time left and the plan is to add a few more. Factoring in 20% attrition from this group over the next couple of years (a high estimate IMO) would yield classes of 20-22 in the next couple of years.
Look at Clemson. 22, 25, 22, 14, 17 over the past 5 years, with 27 (so far?) this year. Frost has been aggressively turning over the roster, but will face at least a year where the focus will have to be quality over quantity.
Uh.....yeah I think you're right. We'll see what the spring and summer hold but we may actually be at 85 this fall. What a time to be alive!
It will be interesting to see how the increasing popularity of grad transfers affects this.
The other thing to consider, and I may be not understanding the rules as clearly as I think, but since we will sign a fall class this year I do not believe we can use the “sign back to last class” thing next year. So that 25 number is pretty firm for next year. But, I believe we will be looking at the 85 threshold and not the 25 threshold this time next year. Again jmho
I am in full agreement. Especially if the staff redshirts a large portion of a 30 player class
Thanks for sharing..I know it sounds crazy but im still thinking the max 25 will be reached for next year. There are guys on this roster I didn't even know existed(I was on strike during riley hiring) EX: Chris Walker? He has already switched back and forth between OL and DL. Besides the "you wont play here" candidates..you also have academic causalities and underclassmen who leave(Duvals program is very hard, its not for everybody). Early Pro...and medical retirement also real possibilities. Hell, Frost lost 2 to academic casualty, and another 2 transferred from his first class. all these factors lead me to believe we are a lock to lose 6(can oversign by 3 next year) and would have until after spring to lose an additional 3. After THAT then I expect things to slow down and we will see 20-22 man classes. When first class is headed into RJR and Senior year.