You still support BDS. So that makes you Hitler, Hamas, Hezbollah and David Duke. Condemn it and I'll stick with Stalin.
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You still support BDS. So that makes you Hitler, Hamas, Hezbollah and David Duke. Condemn it and I'll stick with Stalin.
You support BDS. Neo-Nazis support BDS. You and your tribe being Hitler has some merit. Sad.
You write a true statement and then laugh. You're a special kind of stupid.
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https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-hitler-a-socialist-1221367
Wait, you found yet another internet link from someone trying to spread the same lie you are?
Propaganda. Joseph Gobbels was also good at that. Nazi's were racist socialist. They only hated socialist that were Jewish or Bolsheviks.
Sorry, you don't get to choose history. What you're saying is fantasy, not reality.
The Socialist Reich Party (German: Sozialistische Reichspartei Deutschlands) was a West German Strasserist political party founded in the aftermath of World War II in 1949 as an openly Neo-Nazi organization.
Translation : Racist Socialist.
Translation : Racist Socialist.
Again, you are trying to rewrite history. Otto Strasser and his brother Gregor were early members of the Nazi Party, and led the left wing of it, which advocated for a more radical, class based, revolution in Germany in opposition of what Hitler was calling for. Otto was exiled from the party by Hitler in 1930 and was forced out of Germany for the remainder of Nazi rule. His brother Gregor was less lucky and was murdered on orders from Hitler during the Night of the Long Knives when Hitler had those on the left of the party culled as he consolidated power. During the formation of the Nazi Party during the mid to late 20's there were opposing factions and a lot of uncertainty over what the party was going to become. There was a distinct left and right wing of the party. Hitler led the right-wing and eventually removed the leftist elements as he moved to seize power.
So yeah, Strasser was an actual revolutionary socialist, but he was not a member of Nazi Party as controlled by Hitler. Instead he was one of Hitlers staunchest rivals during the early days of Nazism and attempted to block his assent to power even after being thrown from the party, by creating the Black Front. That doesn't make him a good guy, he and his brother were both deeply racist and equated capitalism with Jewish control of the German financial system. Hitler, by contrast, saw socialism as a Jewish construct as well and capitalism as the product of an immoral society.
So, the parties that you are trying to bring up now were both forms of Strasserism, which is an entirely different strand of Nazism than what Hitler enacted as Furor. While antisemitism would have been at their core, their policies of governance and economics would have been completely different than what we saw from Nazis.
They were racist Neo - Nazi socialist dumbass. Just like Hitler was a racist Nazi socialist. To try defend evil socialism by distancing it from Nazi's is so stupid ! Both are evil and have killed millions. But yet you keep trying to defend socialism. Your argument is like Jeffrey Dahmer vs Ed Gein.
I bolded the important parts.
The Socialist Reich Party(German: Sozialistische Reichspartei Deutschlands) was a West German Strasserist political party founded in the aftermath of World War II in 1949 as an openly Neo-Nazi organization.
Translation : Racist Socialist.
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I'm not trying to defend socialism. I have condemned communism on this board multiple times. I'm defending the accuracy and honest history.
What you are wanting to do is remove Hitler and Nazism from the right side of the political spectrum and place it on the left. You'd rather that Nazism not be associated with right-wing politics. However, it just is. This comes from nuts like Dinesh D'Souza, Glen Beck, and others who push this incorrect theory.
If you want to talk about the dangers of socialism, I won't say anything to stop you. There is plenty there to be criticized. However, it's important to not forget that there is just as much evil waiting on the far right of the spectrum. You can't just keep moving to more and more extreme right ideas and not expect to at some point think that gathering a lot of people together and killing them all is the way to go. How many today people would support mass executions of illegal immigrants? I bet it's more than most want to admit.
Just as its pretty easy to differentiate a liberal from a revolutionary socialist, it's easy to differentiate a conservative from a Nazi fascist. I'm not sure why conservatives are so self conscious about this. This didn't seem to be a problem until the rise of the alt-right. Hell, now one of the most common tropes in conservative circles is now that a Jew (Soros), who is only loyal to his money (greed) and his globalist (Jewish) friends are working to undermine the United States in various ways. Seems a lot like something a Nazi might say.
At this particular point in history, however, fascist elements are hard at work to co-opt right wing politics to their cause. If you aren't aware of the dangers of fascism rising from the right, because people have convinced you that fascism is a leftist issue, you won't realize that is happening until it's too late. As a matter of fact, most people who spend time in the ranks of Nazi groups and leave, later talk about how they didn't even realize they were being radicalized. It's not just a message board argument, it's an existential treat to liberal democracy.
Glenn Beck is a moron. Kudos trying to link what we all keep calling you out on to him though. Definitely a Joseph Gobbels pro tip. I bet you are a big Strasser fan. We link facts that there are Nazi Socialist and you claim we are the ones rewriting history. German National Socialist Workers Party = Nazi
Are you Proggresive more than Socialist ?
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It's Fiction. However this is not. The Nazi Party had Socialist who hated Jews and were even more radical than even Hitler.
National Socialist Workers Party = Nazi
The Socialist Reich Party = Neo Nazi
German Socialist Union = Nazi
The German Labour Front (German: Deutsche Arbeitsfront, pronounced [ˌdɔʏtʃə ˈʔaʁbaɪtsfʁɔnt]; DAF) was the National Socialist labour organisation which replaced the various independent trade unions in Germany after Adolf Hitler's rise to power.
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Deutsche Arbeitsfront
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Sorry boomboom but you Socialist have a Nazi problem.
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A socialist state built on the power of the military, police, and unregulated business? Mmmmmm......not sure about thatIt's Fiction. However this is not. The Nazi Party had Socialist who hated Jews and were even more radical than even Hitler.
National Socialist Workers Party = Nazi
The Socialist Reich Party = Neo Nazi
German Socialist Union = Nazi
The German Labour Front (German: Deutsche Arbeitsfront, pronounced [ˌdɔʏtʃə ˈʔaʁbaɪtsfʁɔnt]; DAF) was the National Socialist labour organisation which replaced the various independent trade unions in Germany after Adolf Hitler's rise to power.
DAF flag
Deutsche Arbeitsfront
DAF flag
Sorry boomboom but you Socialist have a Nazi problem.
Great, now we even found socialist states that trigger the nancy boy libtards.
So, I said in the text that Strasser was a pretty horrible person and a racist. If you dont like Beck stop parroting his lies.
Let's just cut to the chase, everything that you are quoting is based pre 1939, while the NAZI's were trying to acquire power. During this time, the NAZI's still controlled the economy by telling the industrialist what to make, how many and at what price they could sell them. They were complacent because their factories were at full capacity and they were able to keep control of their land, lifestyle, etc. While it is debatable that this economy was not socialist, the effect on the German worker was the same. They were told where to work and how much they were going to make. The working class were essentially living a socialist society. This 100% aligns with everything that you have posted.
After the war started, the economy became a war time economy and as the war dragged on, they essentially took control of everything. The industrialist at this time were total figureheads and did whatever they could to keep the war machine working. This economy was a socialist economy, the NAZI's may not of owned the factories, but they had 100% control of everything.
Here are some interesting things to ponder about the industrial state post WW2:
- Very few industrialist were persecuted for war crimes post WW2 (unless they are officers in the NAZI party or in the military).
- Major companies made gas used in the death chambers, used slave labor or ran the death camps for workers because most of their employees joined the military.
- If they were privateers and had control of their actions, would not all managers who worked for these companies be held accountable? Instead, the war tribunal realized that they were forced to do these things by the NAZI party, so most were not prosecuted.
- The subsequent Nuremberg trials were conducted by a military tribunal and focused on military, political, and economic leadership of Nazi Germany. These were the worst of the worst industrialists.
- The other industrialists also used slave labor but were not prosecuted? Why? Because they said they were forced by the NAZI's to deliver goods and services for the war.
Those are all Strasserist parties, a form of nazism that is distinct from Hitler. They would have formed a Soviet like state with antisemitism as a central tenet. However, Hitler culled these remembers from the ranks and Strasserism was never realized and Hitlers brand of Nazism became what we know it to be now. A Steasser led government wouldnt have been fascist, but the Nazis didnt go with Strasser, they went with Hitler. Strasser, for his life, argued that Hitler had corrupted the ideas of Nazism and used it for his own gain and tried to recreate that in his own vision, but was never successful. Neo-nazis do still hald Strasserism in some regard, but again, only in so much as they agree with his assessment of capitalism being a Jewish construct.
To try to make the argument that Hitler or Nazi Germany was socialist based on Strasserism ignores the realities of history and just goes to prove that these folks are grasping at straws now.
Hitler was a socialist that used socialism to become a dictator. This didn't happen over night. He used socialist concepts to get there over time. Post 101 list organizations that used socialism and collectivism to gain more power. There were other organizations that he used and they have Socialist and labour in there titles. Moral of the story is facist and socialist can't be trusted with power.
What does michiganherd's fetishes have to do with your being a socialist lover ???
Actually, many top industrialists in Germany were prosecuted after the war. See IG Farben, Flick, and Krupp. German industry to this day and engaged in a whitewashing campaign to hide their complacently during the war.
Arguing that a country is socialist because they coopted industry during the warvl would mean that the United States was as well, since nearly all industrial effort went to the war during those years. Besides, Germany had begun to mobilize heavily by the the mid 1930s, almost as soon as Hitler came to power.
Life for workers certainly sucked. They were stripped of almost all rights. The DAF required you to maintained a workbook of skills and employment history, and if you quit a job the company was allowed to keep the book, meaning you couldnt get another job. Socialists would argue that this is antithetical to their beliefs and that the workers should be controlling the industry, not the state or the industrialists as it was in this case.
Fascism and corporatism are closely linked, and that is clearly the case in Nazi Germany.
Thank you for being honest. You don't like capitalism and linking it to Fascism allows for socialism to take hold. You have been very consistent with your stance. Other's on this site are pointing out that socialism, communism and fascism are all bad. You think capitalism, communism and fascism are all bad. The only disparity is socialism vs capitalism. You will say anything to make sure that socialism is not labeled for what it is. That is where you are in disagreement with others.
If corporatism is associated with fascism, socialism is the only way to move forward. Truth is, Capitalism is not related to fascism and conservatives are not the new NAZI party. Tuff to be a socialist when the economy is doing well, but it won't stop you from linking it Hitler if it allows for socialism to grow unabated.
communism
[ kom-yuh-niz-uh m ]SEE DEFINITION OF communism
Synonyms
Big Brother, Big Brotherism, Communism, Nazism. absolutism, autarchy, authoritarianism, autocracy, Caesarism, czarism (also tsarism), despotism, dictatorship, totalism, totalitarianism, tyranny.
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[ kom-yuh-niz-uh m ]SEE DEFINITION OF communism
Synonyms
- socialism
- totalitarianism
- Bolshevism
- Leninism
- Marxism
- collectivism
- rule of the proletariat
- state ownership
Big Brother, Big Brotherism, Communism, Nazism. absolutism, autarchy, authoritarianism, autocracy, Caesarism, czarism (also tsarism), despotism, dictatorship, totalism, totalitarianism, tyranny.
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If that's what you got from reading my posts than idk what else to say to you. I've directly stated differently than you say here. I have said a word to detract from capitalism, yet I hate it? I also dont recall having said anything in support of socialism either, outside of saying that socialists arent Nazis. Pretty low bar of defense, honestly.
I get it though. I wouldn't want to argue with me on this from your position either. That's fine, anyone reading this thread who isnt already a right wing radical will see it for what it is, and that's all I can do anyway.
It's what we all get from your post. Defend socialism at all cost. Let me guess you are really a progressive ?
No, but I'm also not going to let you set up a scenario where you can call people Nazis just because they want guaranteed healthcare and a livable wage. I can do that without endorsing any particular plan they happen to have.
Why can’t people learn that there is no absolute ism that rules successful government?
If we were to choose one to identify with, I think most on the OT would choose capitalism even the left. Extreme labeling of ideology is part of the problem we face.
If we were to choose one to identify with, I think most on the OT would choose capitalism even the left. Extreme labeling of ideology is part of the problem we face.
You sound like Agitprop everytime you hit post reply. Stalin would be proud. You make Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov look like an amateur.