Times have changed!

[willievic]

When Coach Cal come to UK, he was basically the only one recruiting "One and Dones." Times have changed! Cal would not promise any of them playing time, and I remember him bragging about Davis only playing an average of 32 minutes per game and only scoring 14 points per game, and Towns only playing 21 minutes per game and averaging only 10 points per game, yet both were No.1 draft choices. Today, players want to showcase their talent, and they realize they can't do it on the bench, or not scoring, or contributing to the scoring, or rebounding. One thing I have noticed is, most of the players in the top 5 of the rankings could very likely go to the pros right out of high school. After the first 5, there is a drop in talent, significantly. I fully realize there are exceptions, but that is what they are, exceptions. I think that was proved in the past with some of our recruits, and it was shown this year against Duke.
I keep hearing fans say Coach Cal made "so and so," talking about players I disagree, the top 5 players could probably play for anyone and go pro after one year. I think they made Coach Cal a Hall of Fame coach.
I believe other coaches, such as Hardaway, will tell these Stud players, you come to my school and we will build the program around you. You will not be setting on the bench, as some coaches have their stars doing.
I think in the nine years Coach Cal has been at UK, he has recruited around 38, 5 STAR players. I hope that continues, but what I hope more then that, is we get some players to stay more then one year, as Villanova does.
NO!, I am not bashing Coach Cal. I'm just putting the facts as I see them. I still hope to see us hang No. 9 before I journey to the other side. I'll be 80 at my Birthday, so lets get a move on.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[Louis_Skunt]

Fans have complained about the One And Does for 10 years. Well now we have a bunch of kids that will stick around a few years.

As for missing out on Wiseman, it sucks, but we knew the relationship he had with Hardaway was deeper than a couple of text messages.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

We'll see how Hardaway and Memphis do with national recruits and not just the ones from Memphis. He got hired to get JW. What about after? Time will tell.

 

[FactCheckerUSA]

One-and-done will be removed by the NBA in 2021 or 2022.

 

[kevcat]

One-and-done will be removed by the NBA in 2021 or 2022.

Wrong.

There will still be numerous players that will leave after one year.

 

[FactCheckerUSA]

Wrong.

There will still be numerous players that will leave after one year.

I meant (and I suspect you already know this) that the NBA announced they expect the age limit to be removed in 2021 or 2022. Thus high school grads will once again be able to enter the draft.

 

[seccats04]

Fans have complained about the One And Does for 10 years. Well now we have a bunch of kids that will stick around a few years.

As for missing out on Wiseman, it sucks, but we knew the relationship he had with Hardaway was deeper than a couple of text messages.

What kids will stick around a few years? They either leave after a year or feel like a failure and are gone no matter what after two. Some even leave before then like Quade, who could be really good as a Sr.

 

[Cindog28]

 

[willievic]

One-and-done will be removed by the NBA in 2021 or 2022.

I hope your right!

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

We'll see how Hardaway and Memphis do with national recruits and not just the ones from Memphis. He got hired to get JW. What about after? Time will tell.

I don't know how Hardaway will do, but I know how Rat Face is doing. Kicking our A$$.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[Bluesnky]

I think the biggest thing is you can’t miss on recruits when you have this type of roster turnover. And I mean you can’t miss at all.

But we’ve got a number of guys this year who might find themselves in the same situation as PJ Washington was at the end of last season, potential second rounders who could become first round locks with a solid sophomore campaign. I hope they make the same decision. That could leave us with the number 1 recruiting class (tbd) and a number of the top returning players for next season.

 

[Elliott Tim]

When Coach Cal come to UK, he was basically the only one recruiting "One and Dones." Times have changed! Cal would not promise any of them playing time, and I remember him bragging about Davis only playing an average of 32 minutes per game and only scoring 14 points per game, and Towns only playing 21 minutes per game and averaging only 10 points per game, yet both were No.1 draft choices. Today, players want to showcase their talent, and they realize they can't do it on the bench, or not scoring, or contributing to the scoring, or rebounding. One thing I have noticed is, most of the players in the top 5 of the rankings could very likely go to the pros right out of high school. After the first 5, there is a drop in talent, significantly. I fully realize there are exceptions, but that is what they are, exceptions. I think that was proved in the past with some of our recruits, and it was shown this year against Duke.
I keep hearing fans say Coach Cal made "so and so," talking about players I disagree, the top 5 players could probably play for anyone and go pro after one year. I think they made Coach Cal a Hall of Fame coach.
I believe other coaches, such as Hardaway, will tell these Stud players, you come to my school and we will build the program around you. You will not be setting on the bench, as some coaches have their stars doing.
I think in the nine years Coach Cal has been at UK, he has recruited around 38, 5 STAR players. I hope that continues, but what I hope more then that, is we get some players to stay more then one year, as Villanova does.
NO!, I am not bashing Coach Cal. I'm just putting the facts as I see them. I still hope to see us hang No. 9 before I journey to the other side. I'll be 80 at my Birthday, so lets get a move on.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

When Coach Cal come to UK, he was basically the only one recruiting "One and Dones." Times have changed! Cal would not promise any of them playing time, and I remember him bragging about Davis only playing an average of 32 minutes per game and only scoring 14 points per game, and Towns only playing 21 minutes per game and averaging only 10 points per game, yet both were No.1 draft choices. Today, players want to showcase their talent, and they realize they can't do it on the bench, or not scoring, or contributing to the scoring, or rebounding. One thing I have noticed is, most of the players in the top 5 of the rankings could very likely go to the pros right out of high school. After the first 5, there is a drop in talent, significantly. I fully realize there are exceptions, but that is what they are, exceptions. I think that was proved in the past with some of our recruits, and it was shown this year against Duke.
I keep hearing fans say Coach Cal made "so and so," talking about players I disagree, the top 5 players could probably play for anyone and go pro after one year. I think they made Coach Cal a Hall of Fame coach.
I believe other coaches, such as Hardaway, will tell these Stud players, you come to my school and we will build the program around you. You will not be setting on the bench, as some coaches have their stars doing.
I think in the nine years Coach Cal has been at UK, he has recruited around 38, 5 STAR players. I hope that continues, but what I hope more then that, is we get some players to stay more then one year, as Villanova does.
NO!, I am not bashing Coach Cal. I'm just putting the facts as I see them. I still hope to see us hang No. 9 before I journey to the other side. I'll be 80 at my Birthday, so lets get a move on.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

Merry Christmas from a proud Elliott County alumni!
Tim

 

[FrankUnderwood]

I hope your right!

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!


I don't know how Hardaway will do, but I know how Rat Face is doing. Kicking our A$$.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

Just curious , what is the capitalized yelling after every paragraph/ post?

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Wrong.

There will still be numerous players that will leave after one year.

Where are they gonna leave to? There's only 60 spots... that includes the top 5 to 10 highschoolers, about 8 to 12 euro players and the rest are upper classmen.

I don't think you're gonna see more than a handful of freshman leave. Without super star freshman.. A lot of them won't get the same burn that a John wall or Anthony Davis would get. Guys like PJ or Green will behind other players.. They won't have clear minutes like they might have had at Kentucky.

 

[sluggercatfan]

I think the biggest thing is you can’t miss on recruits when you have this type of roster turnover. And I mean you can’t miss at all.

But we’ve got a number of guys this year who might find themselves in the same situation as PJ Washington was at the end of last season, potential second rounders who could become first round locks with a solid sophomore campaign. I hope they make the same decision. That could leave us with the number 1 recruiting class (tbd) and a number of the top returning players for next season.

Josh Harrelson, DeAndre Liggins, Darius Miller ...

 

[westerncat]

I meant (and I suspect you already know this) that the NBA announced they expect the age limit to be removed in 2021 or 2022. Thus high school grads will once again be able to enter the draft.

If they (the NBA) do lower the age limit it will be a big mistake by them and some of the HS kids who think they are ready.

 

[CalipariCapo]

When Coach Cal come to UK, he was basically the only one recruiting "One and Dones." Times have changed! Cal would not promise any of them playing time, and I remember him bragging about Davis only playing an average of 32 minutes per game and only scoring 14 points per game, and Towns only playing 21 minutes per game and averaging only 10 points per game, yet both were No.1 draft choices. Today, players want to showcase their talent, and they realize they can't do it on the bench, or not scoring, or contributing to the scoring, or rebounding. One thing I have noticed is, most of the players in the top 5 of the rankings could very likely go to the pros right out of high school. After the first 5, there is a drop in talent, significantly. I fully realize there are exceptions, but that is what they are, exceptions. I think that was proved in the past with some of our recruits, and it was shown this year against Duke.
I keep hearing fans say Coach Cal made "so and so," talking about players I disagree, the top 5 players could probably play for anyone and go pro after one year. I think they made Coach Cal a Hall of Fame coach.
I believe other coaches, such as Hardaway, will tell these Stud players, you come to my school and we will build the program around you. You will not be setting on the bench, as some coaches have their stars doing.
I think in the nine years Coach Cal has been at UK, he has recruited around 38, 5 STAR players. I hope that continues, but what I hope more then that, is we get some players to stay more then one year, as Villanova does.
NO!, I am not bashing Coach Cal. I'm just putting the facts as I see them. I still hope to see us hang No. 9 before I journey to the other side. I'll be 80 at my Birthday, so lets get a move on.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

You’ve got 10 solid years left. I pray for 20. We’ll surely get one before then I’m sure. I hope you get at least 2 more in your life time

 

[Col. Angus]

this thread is started by someone at least 2-3 times a week.

But they're not all old Stoll Field guys.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I hope your right!

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!


I don't know how Hardaway will do, but I know how Rat Face is doing. Kicking our A$$.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

When Bagley and Duval got eligible I knew it was outside of Cal's reach. Other forces at work right now for the phonies in durham.

 

[FrankUnderwood]

When Bagley and Duval got eligible I knew it was outside of Cal's reach. Other forces at work right now for the phonies in durham.

This actually isn’t talked about enough. That was blatant absurdity. No way in hell they should have been eligible much less a borderline prestigious university.

 

[keefsopeng]

Josh Harrelson, DeAndre Liggins, Darius Miller ...

All of whom Cal didn't recruit.

 

[keefsopeng]

Just curious , what is the capitalized yelling after every paragraph/ post?

Stoll field was where uk played before commonwealth

 

[Jmeeks54thebest]

All of whom Cal didn't recruit.

Cal did recruit liggins while at Memphis

 

[mjj_2K]

Where are they gonna leave to? There's only 60 spots... that includes the top 5 to 10 highschoolers, about 8 to 12 euro players and the rest are upper classmen.

I don't think you're gonna see more than a handful of freshman leave. Without super star freshman.. A lot of them won't get the same burn that a John wall or Anthony Davis would get. Guys like PJ or Green will behind other players.. They won't have clear minutes like they might have had at Kentucky.

A lot depends on what kind of rule the NBA comes up with. The smartest thing would be a straight from HS or not eligible for the draft for 2 seasons rule, but who knows what they'll do.

If the door remains open for freshmen to leave, a lot of guys will still do it. That's why I think the NBA will look to put some kind of stop to it. They realize it's silly to force the very best HS players to go to college, but they also don't seem to want the huge rush of 1 and dones that we're seeing now. If they allow HS players in, and allow players to leave college at any time, it will just create an even bigger flood of younger players in the draft. A 2 or 3 year rule would stem that.

 

[ruppcat]

One-and-done will be removed by the NBA in 2021 or 2022.

I hope so. The One and Done concept has been a bust for me.

I do miss watching the guys progress from freshmen to seniors.

 

[MadaboutBlue]

Fans have complained about the One And Does for 10 years. Well now we have a bunch of kids that will stick around a few years.

. Are you sure? Logically, it would seem that many of these kids are on the three and four year track, and they would be a great team if they stayed. Where we get into problems is when kids like Richards, Herro, EJ, Quickly, and Hagans decide to turn pro, or they transfer out if a better player is recruited next year.

 

[WilliamBonne]

I hope your right!

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!


I don't know how Hardaway will do, but I know how Rat Face is doing. Kicking our A$$.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

I believe this trend continues until Cal hangs it up...you’re correct times have changed and UK isn’t even able to keep guys like SKJ or green anymore and that’s without getting the best of the best.

 

[willievic]

Merry Christmas from a proud Elliott County alumni!
Tim

Thanks Tim, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and your family, from an old Eastern Kentucky Hill Billy.

Vic (OLD STOLL FIELD GUY)

 

[*CatinIL*]

As the NBA rules change, I hope Calipari adjusts...and I think he will. I've said before that I don't know [poop] when it comes to recruiting these kids coming out of high school, but I think if Calipari wants to keep coaching in the NCAA, he'll make the correct adjustments. Maybe we're seeing it it right now. How many of the kids on this team bolts after just one year vs. coming back for another season? We shall see. Now, if he starts mailing it in like SOME did, then that changes things. But, with that said, Calipari isn't perfect and fans have a right to grumble when the CATS look lost, but I like having him on the sidelines.

 

[kevcat]

I meant (and I suspect you already know this) that the NBA announced they expect the age limit to be removed in 2021 or 2022. Thus high school grads will once again be able to enter the draft.

I understand this, but only a half dozen or so will probably try that. They’ll still be tons of players that play in College for a year and then declare.

It’s just a continuous attempt by the NBA to urinate on CBB.

 

[Elliott Tim]

Thanks Tim, MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and your family, from an old Eastern Kentucky Hill Billy.

Vic (OLD STOLL FIELD GUY)

Amen!

 

[HagginHall1999]

I understand this, but only a half dozen or so will probably try that. They’ll still be tons of players that play in College for a year and then declare.

It’s just a continuous attempt by the NBA to urinate on CBB.

Agreed . This is what it should be IMO...

Can declare for draft out of high school per some sort of Top 5-10 rule or something- makeup a new ranking, figure it out, however it works...something to limit how many and who. If you go undrafted you are SOL, go play overseas, developmental league, whatever. If you go to college you cannot leave for NBA until after sophomore or junior year (I lean towards after JR yr).

While in college let players make money off their autographs, advertising, etc.

NBA is a mess with a bunch of people not ready for league and stuck playing either nowhere ( D Lamb) or barely nowhere (James Young, Teague)...or lottery picks that can't get 10 minutes a game because they should still be in college (Monk).

If they don't like this then do it like baseball, but I feel like that will be harder due to corruption and roster limits.

 

[*CatinIL*]

When the rules change and kids can jump straight to the NBA, then their future falls directly on them and their PARENTS. So good for them. But those kids and their PARENTS better not come crying to anyone if they FAIL! A few of these kids will make a BIG splash in the NBA but a lot won't. ..so overseas you go, or the ABCDEFG League. Granted, you can make good money overseas but is that what YOU REALLY WANT?

Some of these fringe players will make a MILLION DOLLARS as a 19 year old but what happens when they get bounced out of the league or ABCDEFG league, or overseas? After agent fees, taxes, handlers...how much money will they have when they hit 30? The One and Done has its flaws but at least it gives kids a year in college competition to think about it and see where they really fall before making such a BIG lifetime decision. I know, I'm rambling and I'm probably not on topic anymore, but the PARENTS of these kids DO need to take some responsibility when it comes to their KIDS and their future because their handlers are only concerned about the money. Sorry for my rant.

 

[new era cat]

I'm OK with OAD kids coming here but they better produce right away or fall behind in the pecking order and ride the pine.
I wish them well, but they come here to get ready for the NBA.
If it doesn't work out by New Year's, I have no problem treating them like a cheap Harbor Freight tool.
Works for K...

 

[ImUTGagain]

Just curious , what is the capitalized yelling after every paragraph/ post?

He loves it. He loves Duke is "kicking our ***". Typical one and done hater, he bitches about it all the time.

 

[willievic]

As the NBA rules change, I hope Calipari adjusts...and I think he will. I've said before that I don't know [poop] when it comes to recruiting these kids coming out of high school, but I think if Calipari wants to keep coaching in the NCAA, he'll make the correct adjustments. Maybe we're seeing it it right now. How many of the kids on this team bolts after just one year vs. coming back for another season? We shall see. Now, if he starts mailing it in like SOME did, then that changes things. But, with that said, Calipari isn't perfect and fans have a right to grumble when the CATS look lost, but I like having him on the sidelines.

I just want to Hang No. 9. I really don't give a damn who is on the sideline. I like for Cal to be there if he can hang No. 9, otherwise, next man up. I've never been in love with a coach, but I am in love with the job he does, if it's winning. Some people say I put to much emphasis on winning, but that's why they keep score. No one should ever be satisfied with losing. I'm sure in hell not. There are NO moral victories when you lose. Try coming out second in a dog fight, in fighters.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[*CatinIL*]

I just want to Hang No. 9. I really don't give a damn who is on the sideline. I like for Cal to be there if he can hang No. 9, otherwise, next man up. I've never been in love with a coach, but I am in love with the job he does, if it's winning. Some people say I put to much emphasis on winning, but that's why they keep score. No one should ever be satisfied with losing. I'm sure in hell not. There are NO moral victories when you lose. Try coming out second in a dog fight, in fighters.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

I'm with you...believe me, I don't give a [poop] about NBA draft night. However, some people here are. But, that's where I think Calipari needs to make adjustments. ITS UK FIRST...and that will take care of Draft night.

 

[fredmanthecatfan]

Doing away with the age limit won’t end 1 and done. It will make recruiting messier. You spend time recruiting a guy who ends up never going to college, or you figure he won’t go to college so you don’t waste your time only to have to be playing against him next season.
The top players that do come will think that a year of training in college will get them ready for the draft.
The NBA should want to see more than high school, AAU, or even a year of college before they invest millions. It would help both the pro game and the college game if they drafted on production along with potential instead of looking so closely at the potential that may or may not pan out.