Time To Move On from Bolin.....

bac2therac

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I agree that if you don't open the season at 3-1 then we're looking to run Ash out of town - or leave him in Kansas. But I don't think you just assume an Illinois win, I think that's a toss. So at that point, best case, you're 4-1. Win one of NW or MD gets you to 5. I don't see us beating anyone else.

Our obstacle is as it was from the moment we joined this conference. We have to play Ohio State, Michigan, PSU and Michigan State every year. Other than the rare occasion when one of them may be having an historically catastrophic season (Michigan '14), we've got four losses built into the schedule, for the foreseeable future.


your last point is a big one. We need realignment badly...,some of our fans love being in this division and talk about things being cyclical but things really are not cyclical unless you feel RU have a great season once ever 30 years is cyclical. OSU and Michigan will always be good. PSU and MSU will always be close to the top with some blips for recruiting. If RU was in the other division it has a punchers chance for movement forward. Recent results vs Iowa and Nebby which are competitive even in losses when the program is pretty bad proves that
 

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your last point is a big one. We need realignment badly...,some of our fans love being in this division and talk about things being cyclical but things really are not cyclical unless you feel RU have a great season once ever 30 years is cyclical. OSU and Michigan will always be good. PSU and MSU will always be close to the top with some blips for recruiting. If RU was in the other division it has a punchers chance for movement forward. Recent results vs Iowa and Nebby which are competitive even in losses when the program is pretty bad proves that

There was a UW guest at our tailgate for the opener, guy who lives in Seattle and flew out for the game. We were talking B1G, in general, and somebody brought up the division alignments. The guy's jaw dropped. He said, "Wait... wait a minute... You have to play OSU, Michigan, Penn State and Michigan St. EVERY YEAR??"

Yep. Sucks to be us.
 

bac2therac

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the divisions just appear unbalanced. Nebby is nowhere near the program they were. Wisky is solid but is probably on par with MSU at best. So that leaves 3 of the top 10 football programs in history dwarfing the rest of the league. It sucks to be RU, Maryland and Indiana. I realize that they want OSU-Michigan only playing once so keep them in the same division but then Penn State really is a no brainer to move out to the other division. Quite frankly I do not care if we play them every year or not. Its not a rivalry at all in reality, we have more to worry about
 

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I'd have to trust Ash plays the qb that gives us the best chance to win. Laviano and Rettig's post Rutgers career prove that.
 

Knightmoves

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Didn't Ash say in the Nebby postgame presser that Bolin gives us the best chance with the passing game ? That tells me that Bolin continues to start and shares time with Lewis the rest of the season.

I believe that Gio is the odd man out. Ash has a stake in Bolin and Lewis. And Gio was not effective last season. I've seen enough of him to not want him playing for us except in garbage time.
 

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the divisions just appear unbalanced. Nebby is nowhere near the program they were. Wisky is solid but is probably on par with MSU at best. So that leaves 3 of the top 10 football programs in history dwarfing the rest of the league. It sucks to be RU, Maryland and Indiana. I realize that they want OSU-Michigan only playing once so keep them in the same division but then Penn State really is a no brainer to move out to the other division. Quite frankly I do not care if we play them every year or not. Its not a rivalry at all in reality, we have more to worry about

Competitive balance as a factor under the old Leaders and Legends divisions, but was not here. A more balanced proposal was floated at one time, I think they called it inside-out or something like that where the three east coast teams were paired with the far west teams, and the seven center teams formed one division. My guess is that Michigan and Ohio State wanted to be with RU and MD for recruiting purposes, and Penn State didn't want to give up annual games with Michigan and Ohio State.

Personally, my preference is for there to be no divisions at all, three or four locked rivals, and rotate through the other teams so every player plays every team in the conference home and away during a four-year career.
 

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Also agree. At least Gio gives us a running element at the position.

I said it after watching 2 scrimmages in August... Bolin is not the answer. No consistent accuracy on his passes. Many begged to differ. Time for Gio to start and Lewis for more playing time.
 
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Knight Shift

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I said it after watching 2 scrimmages in August... Bolin is not the answer. No consistent accuracy on his passes. Many begged to differ. Time for Gio to start and Lewis for more playing time.
I was watching a practice in late August, and Gio was getting reps. He was not accurate, and one of the high level donors (don't want to name him) shook his head, saying, "that's why he will not be the starter."
But I agree with you and others. He can't be worse than Bolin, and even if he is, they can put Bolin (or Lewis) in to replace him.
 

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The QB does not block
The QB does not run MAC level Routes.
The QB does not drop wide open passes like JV football in High School.
The QB does not miss tackles.
The QB does not play special teams.
Its always comes down to the Jimmies and Joes .
 
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The QB does not block
The QB does not run MAC level Routes.
The QB does not drop wide open passes like JV football in High School.
The QB does not miss tackles.
The QB does not play special teams.
Its always comes down to the Jimmies and Joes .
Sorry but can't bang on the oline. The oline had a more than decent game. Even on the third and fourth and ones those offensive calls were not advantageous to our line. Dline shot the gaps. Bolin is a game manager who can dink and dunk which is fine if you don't make mistakes and you can hit shots down field once and awhile to keep the defense honest and/or run for 4yds or more on a consistent basis. He's just not at that level. I'll settle for watching Lewis handing off, running and throwing the deep ball until he learns how to throw the ball in the middle of the field.

Psychologically it's good for our team to have close loses against "named" programs for recruits to see but i think we have greater upside playing the future leader of the program as a true frosh (Lewis) slinging it and running it with the same results. I think the fan base and recruits will be fine with it. I know I will and chalk it up to youth. Maybe Ash begins the transition post Ohio St.

GO RU
 
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What did Ash see in Bolin to make him the starter over Gio, the incumbent?
I would think a promise was made to get him here.. a promise that would not have had to been made if Gio looked better last season. If that is what this is then Ash must keep his word. I do think it is possible that Gio got better with another year under his belt. And that poster who thinks Lewis is nothing special.. what an ***. Lewis doesn't even have 1 season here.

Suppose the plan is to ease Lewis into the position. If we play Gio and he does marginally better than Bolin.. and we move Lewis in vs Illinois.. then with every rookie mistake Lewis makes we'll see the #PlayGio stuff. This is a tough spot to be in.. and if Gio were better last season none of this would be an issue.
 
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Bobby Petrino is an offensive genius. Do you think he would have allowed Bolin to walk if he was any good? One more thing this kid Lewis is nothing special.
Allow? You realize how this grad transfer thing works, right? The coach has no control over it. And Lewis is nothing special? Go hang out on BWI where you belong.
 
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DJ Spanky

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The QB does not block
The QB does not run MAC level Routes.
The QB does not drop wide open passes like JV football in High School.
The QB does not miss tackles.
The QB does not play special teams.
Its always comes down to the Jimmies and Joes .
The QB does stare down his primary target.
The QB does underthrow his receivers.
The QB is not mobile.
The QB does throw into triple protection.
The QB does throw off of his back foot.
 

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We saw last year what Gio gave us. We've seen this year what Bolin can do. I don't think Bolin is great by any stretch but I'm surprised so many people think that Gio is a better player. I recognize that Gio had a bad OC last year but we were historically bad on offense. The fact is that neither of them should likely be playing in the B1G and Lewis isn't ready yet. Sure, you could throw Gio in there and see what happens but the notion that Ash doesn't want to play him for fear that Gio will light it up and ruin the obvious plan to turn it over to Lewis in 2018 is ridiculous. It's far more likely to conclude that Ash saw a lot of Gio last year in games and during practice and made the decision that he'd rather stick to the succession plan that's already in place.

BTW, I know many watched the game on Saturday so you probably heard this but Glen Mason said that Kill told him Lewis was the most gifted QB that Kill has ever coached. That's saying something (unless of course you think Kill doesn't know what he's talking about).
 
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The QB does stare down his primary target.
The QB does underthrow his receivers.
The QB is not mobile.
The QB does throw into triple protection.
The QB does throw off of his back foot.
wide reciever talent is currently thin ,thats pretty clear.
 

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BTW, I know many watched the game on Saturday so you probably heard this but Glen Mason said that Kill told him Lewis was the most gifted QB that Kill has ever coached. That's saying something (unless of course you think Kill doesn't know what he's talking about).

Really! The most talented QB he's ever coached. I wonder if Bolin and Rescigno are aware of Kills statement.
 

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I said it after watching 2 scrimmages in August... Bolin is not the answer. No consistent accuracy on his passes. Many begged to differ. Time for Gio to start and Lewis for more playing time.

At this point, practice performance means NOTHING. Some guys just perform better in game situations and Gio seems to be one of those guys. Bolin's game performances have been terrible. Gio showed a higher level of GAME performance last year thus he should be the starter right now while Lewis is developing over the next 8 games.
 

BlockR

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It's also pretty clear that the starting QB is even worse.
the starting QB, with the current Wide receiver talent could be Tom Brady,and the results would be the same,there is no WR seperation,no downfield threats on field Saturday.
 

bitnez

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Really! The most talented QB he's ever coached. I wonder if Bolin and Rescigno are aware of Kills statement.

I assume so. And, so what? Athletes aren't dumb; they recognize talent when they see it. I assume they are both thinking, "yeah, the kid is super talented but he's raw and I'm going to work hard to keep him off of the field."
 

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What did Ash see in Bolin to make him the starter over Gio, the incumbent?

I bet Bolin looks great when he can not get hit. He is probably accurate, throws a nice ball etc. Gio is widely known to not be accurate even in practice.
 
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Bobby Petrino is an offensive genius. Do you think he would have allowed Bolin to walk if he was any good? One more thing this kid Lewis is nothing special.

There is very little reason to put a 5th year senior behind a stud QB, when you will need to develop backup QBs for the following year.

if ash starts Gio, Lewis is out of here. There is no percentage in starting Gio at this point.

That is quite true...BUT starting Gio and mixing in Lewis with the intent of making the Lewis the starter by the end of the year is something to think about.

Ya have to wonder.....

Disagree. Lewis is a not-ready-for-primetime player. Gio has already started against Big Ten teams.

Lewis may not be ready, and that is what is holding him back from more playing time. It's not easy coming in as a true freshman and comfortably running an offense against the B1G.

Ash is playing it safe. He'll play guys that make less mistakes, not guys that can make plays. The goal this year is to lose by less.

That seems to be what is happening here. Manage some relatively close losses, hopefully get a few wins, develop the young guys, and keep recruits interested.

Really! The most talented QB he's ever coached. I wonder if Bolin and Rescigno are aware of Kills statement.

If it's true, they don't need to hear it from Kill. They watch it every day in practice. Plus these are young men who should embrace competition and better themselves to earn a starting position. Stop trying to play the game of making them feel bad because a coach made a statement which most likely is true.
 
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Knightmoves

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At this point, practice performance means NOTHING. Some guys just perform better in game situations and Gio seems to be one of those guys. Bolin's game performances have been terrible. Gio showed a higher level of GAME performance last year thus he should be the starter right now while Lewis is developing over the next 8 games.

Sorry but I totally disagree with this.

I thought that Gio was mostly sub par last season, even when he was healthy. He can run and has a strong arm but is very inaccurate with his passing IMO.

The coaches see these players every day and say that Bolin gives us the best chance to win.

What evidence suggests that the coaches are wrong in their evaluation, except that fans always seem to be enamored with the backup who seldom plays ?
 
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AntiG

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The QB does stare down his primary target.
The QB does underthrow his receivers.
The QB is not mobile.
The QB does throw into quadruple protection.
The QB does throw off of his back foot.
The QB does make exceptionally bad decisions in critical moments.
fify
 

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Sorry but I totally disagree with this.

I thought that Gio was mostly sub par last season, even when he was healthy. He can run and has a strong arm but is very inaccurate with his passing IMO.

The coaches see these players every day and say that Bolin gives us the best chance to win.

What evidence suggests that the coaches are wrong in their evaluation, except that fans always seem to be enamored with the backup who seldom plays ?



Nobody is saying Gio is a better passer than Bolin, but at least he can make some plays with his feet and the occasional "explosive" play which you can't say about
Bolin. Even Bolin's TD passes were throws a decent high school QB could make.
 
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Bolin has had some decent starts so continue to let him start. Tighten the leash and bring in Gio when a spark is needed. I know, I know, if you have two QBs than you have zero QBs, but what do you have to lose at this point. Once Bolin loses confidence, sit him. He may come back strong after a different perspective.
 

madchuck

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Ash is playing it safe. He'll play guys that make less mistakes, not guys that can make plays. The goal this year is to lose by less.

I feel like I'm on another planet. Bolin throws 2 interceptions every game. He already has more interceptions than Gio threw all last year!!!
 
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Bolin is completing 57% of his passes with 3 TDs and 5 Ints. Last year Gio completed 52% o his passes with 5 TDs and 5 Ints. I don't believe Gio got to pass against Howard or NM whereas Bolin had a good day against Morgan St. Bolin may be a little more accurate but Gio's ability to run overcomes it in my mind. I am OK starting Bolin vs OSU but if it goes poorly then at least try Gio. If we get to the point of losses then Bolin should no longer see the field and Gio and Lewis should be splitting time prepping for next year.
 
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