Time for NCAA football draft
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Not going to happen, but something needs to. For starters, I'm thinking further reducing scholarship limits to around 60-65 and restricting the number of offers you can put out to no more than you have available. Ban greyshirts; if you sign a kid to a scholarship, from that moment forward he counts towards your limit. Also, maybe some kind of "salary cap" system where the NCAA officially scouts and rates players and you can only sign so many total stars or points or whatever it uses. That wouldn't be perfect, but it would at least stop the elites like Bama from loading up on high end prospects just to keep them away from other schools, taking advantage of said prospects in the process. It would also reward coaches for seeking out hidden gems a la Mullen.
Also, I think it would go a long way if the NCAA were to severely limit recruiting coverage by the media. I'm not sure they even have the power to do so, and it wouldn't please those among us who actually enjoy following it, but the ridiculous hoopla that recruiting coverage has become in recent years is doing nothing but fueling the drama inherent to it in a negative way.
Also, I think it would go a long way if the NCAA were to severely limit recruiting coverage by the media. I'm not sure they even have the power to do so, and it wouldn't please those among us who actually enjoy following it, but the ridiculous hoopla that recruiting coverage has become in recent years is doing nothing but fueling the drama inherent to it in a negative way.
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I personally think it's a great idea, but a draft comes with a lot of things that most would find unpalatable including increases in compensation.
People believe that the freedom of a student athlete to choose where he or she goes to school is one of the great things about college football. The truth of the matter is that the choice is largely a behind the scenes dealing of benefits and agents for the top players. There is too much money involved for the NCAA to be able to effectively police this, so it turns out that those that want to cheat can and it is effective.
If you draft, you take out the enticements. You then have to add in compensation for travel, including family travel, but that's easy to take care of. The hard part will be dealing with the issues around amateurism and professionalism that lead to demands for more compensation, but in reality that happening anyway. It's just under the table right now instead of being transparent and regulated.
Let's quit wasting time and money trying to hold on to the idea of amateurism that doesn't exist in reality any more. Let's even the playing field and make football about who can run the best program instead of who can cheat better or longer without getting caught.
People believe that the freedom of a student athlete to choose where he or she goes to school is one of the great things about college football. The truth of the matter is that the choice is largely a behind the scenes dealing of benefits and agents for the top players. There is too much money involved for the NCAA to be able to effectively police this, so it turns out that those that want to cheat can and it is effective.
If you draft, you take out the enticements. You then have to add in compensation for travel, including family travel, but that's easy to take care of. The hard part will be dealing with the issues around amateurism and professionalism that lead to demands for more compensation, but in reality that happening anyway. It's just under the table right now instead of being transparent and regulated.
Let's quit wasting time and money trying to hold on to the idea of amateurism that doesn't exist in reality any more. Let's even the playing field and make football about who can run the best program instead of who can cheat better or longer without getting caught.
Why not? You have to change some other things around stipends, but there is nothing wrong with creating a system where if you want to play "power 5" football, you will be drafted to a school instead of choosing it.
You can also give them the right to walk-on at the school of their choice, but they would have to sacrifice the benefits that come with that choice.
College football is completely ridiculous from a competitive standpoint, if you sit back and think about it.
Usually the best team gets more of the best players. It would be like the Patriots winning the Suoer Bowl then getting the 1st, 3rd and 7th pick in the draft. That's recruiting.
It's really ignorant. Though like you ,I love it too.
Usually the best team gets more of the best players. It would be like the Patriots winning the Suoer Bowl then getting the 1st, 3rd and 7th pick in the draft. That's recruiting.
It's really ignorant. Though like you ,I love it too.
No draft necessary. Just put in some kind of recruiting cap. The NCAA has an official talent assessment committee and rates the players, and teams can only bring in X amount of total points.
Also only let teams bring as many new players as they have spots for -- no "processing" unless they fail out of school or have legitimate disciplinary issues.
Also only let teams bring as many new players as they have spots for -- no "processing" unless they fail out of school or have legitimate disciplinary issues.
Bc the NCAA claims adademics before athletics. If you institute a draft, it'll be athletics before academics.
Let's say you do institute a draft, you can't justify putting sec teams with better chances of getting good players than the sunbelt. Would you really like the draft when we get a team full of 2* from Wyoming?
Just posted this on another thread
1) Have automatic scholarship reductions based on yearly finish. Since you can't have a draft, have the National champion lose 5 scholarships the next year. Have the other 3 schools in the playoff lose 4. Teams in the top 10 lose 3. 10 thru 20 lose 2. or some sort of formula that forces more even distribution. This way you are not interfering with players choices. They get screwed enough in this current system.
2) Have a hard spending cap on all football programs. You can't have a salary cap, so limit the amount of money each school can put towards football each year. This should even out the playing field for facilities and coaching. For big projects like stadiums you can allow it to be spread over multiple years.
3) Get out of the athletes pocket and bring it all above board. Let the student athlete earn money as long as it does not come from the school. Punish the crap out of any school that sets up a system to pay players and I mean something like a year suspension of playing games. Let the athletes be subject to W2s and taxes just like the rest of us. So if they can earn some "pocket money" or sell licensed jerseys it allows for a more fair recruiting effort. Teach them about capitalism and don't force it all onto the black market.
1) Have automatic scholarship reductions based on yearly finish. Since you can't have a draft, have the National champion lose 5 scholarships the next year. Have the other 3 schools in the playoff lose 4. Teams in the top 10 lose 3. 10 thru 20 lose 2. or some sort of formula that forces more even distribution. This way you are not interfering with players choices. They get screwed enough in this current system.
2) Have a hard spending cap on all football programs. You can't have a salary cap, so limit the amount of money each school can put towards football each year. This should even out the playing field for facilities and coaching. For big projects like stadiums you can allow it to be spread over multiple years.
3) Get out of the athletes pocket and bring it all above board. Let the student athlete earn money as long as it does not come from the school. Punish the crap out of any school that sets up a system to pay players and I mean something like a year suspension of playing games. Let the athletes be subject to W2s and taxes just like the rest of us. So if they can earn some "pocket money" or sell licensed jerseys it allows for a more fair recruiting effort. Teach them about capitalism and don't force it all onto the black market.
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And you think creating a diamond mining process is going to actually help MSU?
It already is athletics before academics. Players want to treated like pros so let it happen. NCAA Combine. National draft day telecast brings in hundreds of millions. If a kid wants to attend a certain school then fine. Pick your school and go to class. Want to play football...enter the combine.
Limit teams to only 20 schollies a year.
If you win your division you get 20.
2nd in the west gets 21
3rd gets 22
etc etc etc
vandy would have 26 to work with every year and this would be the "worst gets the first draft pick" equivalent. You cannot force kids to a certain school, that's dumb as hell. Also, official NCAA ratings? Don't be dumb.
Lower the number of scholarships and let the worst teams in a given year have more scholarships to use. Also, give some teeth to crootin violations.
If you win your division you get 20.
2nd in the west gets 21
3rd gets 22
etc etc etc
vandy would have 26 to work with every year and this would be the "worst gets the first draft pick" equivalent. You cannot force kids to a certain school, that's dumb as hell. Also, official NCAA ratings? Don't be dumb.
Lower the number of scholarships and let the worst teams in a given year have more scholarships to use. Also, give some teeth to crootin violations.
I think it's time for us to accept the reality of the situation. How many 4-star athletes choose a school because they have that chemical engineering program they so desperately want to be a part of?
The draft is the way you keep from getting a team full of 2*'s from Wyoming. You take the talent pool and spread it out more evenly. It would cause a lot of change for it to be feasible because you would want to maintain some geographic boundaries, but suppose you have a 15 round draft of kids in a region. You fill your team with 10 more signees that choose the school, then the rest are walk-ons like today.
Now, do I think this is something that has a snowball's chance in hell of actually happening? No, but I do think college football would be a lot better if the under the table BS was taken out and all the teams were more competitive. You won't punish schools into compliance, so you have to change the system somehow.
The answer to all of this is really simple: Do away with all athletic scholarships. Put the schools back in the business of being schools, and let the NFL create their own minor league system. The high school players who want to get paid to play football can try to sign a minor league contract. The other guys can go to college. The colleges can still have teams, the talent level will just drop off quite a bit. College football will be fun again, without being the big business it has become. There might still be some recruiting violations going on, but boosters won't be able to offer a recruit as much money as the minor leagues.
For some reason when I read draft, I thought of players being drawn out of a hat or something... A lottery
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You could keep everything like it is now. The schools get to recruit but once you sign players there are only so many points you can have. 5 stars have higher points and etc. So lets say alabama has a limit of 200 points and they still have a need, then they would have to take a lower star in order to get the players they need without using up all their points. I could see this working. That way you can not worry about paying players or whatever because the team can only have so many points. This will get the best out of coaches. We would then get to see who can really coach and who can just get the best recruits.
You could keep everything like it is now. The schools get to recruit but once you sign players there are only so many points you can have. 5 stars have higher points and etc. So lets say alabama has a limit of 200 points and they still have a need, then they would have to take a lower star in order to get the players they need without using up all their points. I could see this working. That way you can not worry about paying players or whatever because the team can only have so many points. This will get the best out of coaches. We would then get to see who can really coach and who can just get the best recruits.
Quit being stupid.
Who are you to tell a kid where to go to school?
Who gets to determine the non-objective points ratings?
Get serious.
The only way to increase parity is reduced scholarships for teams finishing higher in the standings. Eliminate NSD as well.
Who are you to tell a kid where to go to school?
Who gets to determine the non-objective points ratings?
Get serious.
The only way to increase parity is reduced scholarships for teams finishing higher in the standings. Eliminate NSD as well.
The system is not perfect. It never will be. Accept it for what it is, or find..
sport to follow.
The system is corrupt and my school is at a disadvantage, but I still love the game.
sport to follow.
The system is corrupt and my school is at a disadvantage, but I still love the game.
Ideally there would be no diamond mining because the official Talent Identification Committee would correctly evaluate everyone. I guess there would be differences depending on how players fit in to scheme and culture and all that, but yes, I think it would help MSU a lot if our classes were roughly equal to Alabama's and everyone else's every year.
And -- again -- do you really think forcing the elites to take lower star rated players is going to help MSU? Or is it going to destroy our very foundation by forcing everyone to use the same niche that has given us the level of success we have enjoyed thusfar?
You vote communist, I suppose?
So -- you are appointing a committee that is going to create perfect ratings. You are going to do this infinitely better than the NFL has figured out how to do it in 100 years of trying -- when their pool of players to judge from is infinitely more advanced and an "easier" evaluation than high school kids. Then, this perfect system is going to create parity across the landscape of the game. So, the 4 and 5*s MSU gets will be equivalent of the ones Alabama gets -- and the same will be true for the 2*s and 3*s. And it's going to make MSU into Alabama's equal. Since, all those guys are created equal.
This thread is seriously making me contemplate why I even bother reading/posting -- when this is who I am dealing with on the other end of the posts. 25 posts in -- and Will James has the most logical proposition of the thread.
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Funny how that ideology permeates everything. Such a blind trust in "the authorities" to get it right.
Not to mention the goal for pure "equality". How boring would that be. Never an upset again!
Let's go full Harrison Bergeron and say that the teams that work out more and become better have to play wearing weights to make sure they are no better off
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Just allow players to turn pro whenever they want. I know no high school senior is capable of going pro, but it is a clear violation of the equal employment laws for the NFL to discriminate based on age. Yes I know it has held up in court, but it's crap. I'm not even allowed to ask how old someone is or when they graduated high school during an interview.
If players are allowed to turn pro whenever, NFL teams will create farm teams so that they won't miss out on top talent. The top 100 players in the country will consistently leave college early, if they even go, thus leveling the playing field and reducing the amount of shady recruiting/purchasing of top players.
If players are allowed to turn pro whenever, NFL teams will create farm teams so that they won't miss out on top talent. The top 100 players in the country will consistently leave college early, if they even go, thus leveling the playing field and reducing the amount of shady recruiting/purchasing of top players.
No, whats peculiar is when something is sold based on even playing fields and fairness the common denominator that ruins it is money. Of course, the real stupidity is introducing more money.
capitalism and the idea of real competition in sport are antithetical.
Saban would never go for anything like that. The NCAA will never change anything if it's only the 2nd tier teams complaining about it.
What you don't realize is we would be economically trashed with your proposals.
Small tweaks needed. Bonus schollies for worse teams. THATS IT!
Also, loosen the restrictions regarding coaching visits and all that. One off campus face to face? Good luck convincing people like Lashley, Knott, Brown of the benefits of MSU with one F2F. Helps programs that can't "sell themselves"
You actually made a good point so no, I don't want that to happen. Perhaps what they should do is keep things as they are ... but enforce the NCAA rules to the letter of the "law" ... any sort of violation on the part of the school staff brings big penalties.
I suppose you could possibly make it a criminal act to offer or give incentives if you're a booster, but I haven't thought the ramifications of that through yet. At the moment there's nothing the NCAA can do other than penalize the school, which penalizes innocent players, the school, and fans.
I suppose you could possibly make it a criminal act to offer or give incentives if you're a booster, but I haven't thought the ramifications of that through yet. At the moment there's nothing the NCAA can do other than penalize the school, which penalizes innocent players, the school, and fans.
? I'm not getting what your saying. If alabama wasn't loaded with 5 stars and we were able to get a few yes that would help us. How hard is that to understand
They also have free agency aka go where you want.
BUT worst gets first picks. Worst gets more scholarships. Easy. And doesn't economically wreck athletic departments across the fruited plain.
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