Tim Lester as QB evaluator

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Does this failure mean Tim Lester also has no idea how to evaluate a QB?
our consistent misses on talent is mind boggling and almost defies odds.
Empirical evidence suggests we do not have the leadership in place to expect any offensive improvements this year or ever.
Beau Pribula is tearing it up for Mizzou this year. As many may recall, he almost came to Iowa. (I believe Iowa and Mizzou were his final two schools.) When Pribula headed to Mizzou, we turned to Gronowski, who was rated as one of the top QBs in the portal (albeit before it was known he needed surgery.)

That said, I will bet all the money in my pocket, that if things had worked out differently — if Pribula had chosen Iowa, and Gronowski had ended up at Mizzou — we would be having these exact same conversations. The Iowa passing game would be languishing under Pribula, and Gronowski would be shining at Mizzou (even post-surgery).

I don’t think the problem is the QB. I don’t even think it’s the OC. I think it’s the entire culture that surrounds the team’s offense.

Think back to the overall Iowa program before Hayden Fry arrived — there was no expectation to succeed. I believe something similar is true for the Iowa offense today — players don’t expect the offense to do anything other than plod along, to be just good enough to win. The focus is to “execute the game plan” … never to soar.

Culture is everything at Iowa. All of our successes over the past 20 years can be attributed to the culture Kirk Ferentz has established. It’s built on the promise that if you work hard, build strong fundamentals, and execute properly, you will be successful over time. Generally, this has worked well — well enough that after 25 years, Kirk has absolute faith in the philosophy. But there’s something about that approach that’s no longer working for the offense. And it’s holding us back.

I believe two things are fundamentally true about Hawkeye football:
  1. Kirk Ferentz has built this program into one of the top 20 or so programs in the country, which is no small achievement.
  2. Our inability to play offense at a high level (specifically passing the ball) continues to hold us back from achieving more.
 

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Ignore - I tried to delete my post but system won't let me do it, so I'll re-write it.
 

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Beau Pribula is tearing it up for Mizzou this year. As many may recall, he almost came to Iowa. (I believe Iowa and Mizzou were his final two schools.) When Pribula headed to Mizzou, we turned to Gronowski, who was rated as one of the top QBs in the portal (albeit before it was known he needed surgery.)

That said, I will bet all the money in my pocket, that if things had worked out differently — if Pribula had chosen Iowa, and Gronowski had ended up at Mizzou — we would be having these exact same conversations. The Iowa passing game would be languishing under Pribula, and Gronowski would be shining at Mizzou (even post-surgery).

I don’t think the problem is the QB. I don’t even think it’s the OC. I think it’s the entire culture that surrounds the team’s offense.

Think back to the overall Iowa program before Hayden Fry arrived — there was no expectation to succeed. I believe something similar is true for the Iowa offense today — players don’t expect the offense to do anything other than plod along, to be just good enough to win. The focus is to “execute the game plan” … never to soar.

Culture is everything at Iowa. All of our successes over the past 20 years can be attributed to the culture Kirk Ferentz has established. It’s built on the promise that if you work hard, build strong fundamentals, and execute properly, you will be successful over time. Generally, this has worked well — well enough that after 25 years, Kirk has absolute faith in the philosophy. But there’s something about that approach that’s no longer working for the offense. And it’s holding us back.

I believe two things are fundamentally true about Hawkeye football:
  1. Kirk Ferentz has built this program into one of the top 20 or so programs in the country, which is no small achievement.
  2. Our inability to play offense at a high level (specifically passing the ball) continues to hold us back from achieving more.
Spot on. This is my belief as well. This is primarily a systemic issue, and it's not going away until a new system arrives.
 

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Beau Pribula is tearing it up for Mizzou this year. As many may recall, he almost came to Iowa. (I believe Iowa and Mizzou were his final two schools.) When Pribula headed to Mizzou, we turned to Gronowski, who was rated as one of the top QBs in the portal (albeit before it was known he needed surgery.)

That said, I will bet all the money in my pocket, that if things had worked out differently — if Pribula had chosen Iowa, and Gronowski had ended up at Mizzou — we would be having these exact same conversations. The Iowa passing game would be languishing under Pribula, and Gronowski would be shining at Mizzou (even post-surgery).

I don’t think the problem is the QB. I don’t even think it’s the OC. I think it’s the entire culture that surrounds the team’s offense.

Think back to the overall Iowa program before Hayden Fry arrived — there was no expectation to succeed. I believe something similar is true for the Iowa offense today — players don’t expect the offense to do anything other than plod along, to be just good enough to win. The focus is to “execute the game plan” … never to soar.

Culture is everything at Iowa. All of our successes over the past 20 years can be attributed to the culture Kirk Ferentz has established. It’s built on the promise that if you work hard, build strong fundamentals, and execute properly, you will be successful over time. Generally, this has worked well — well enough that after 25 years, Kirk has absolute faith in the philosophy. But there’s something about that approach that’s no longer working for the offense. And it’s holding us back.

I believe two things are fundamentally true about Hawkeye football:
  1. Kirk Ferentz has built this program into one of the top 20 or so programs in the country, which is no small achievement.
  2. Our inability to play offense at a high level (specifically passing the ball) continues to hold us back from achieving more.
I agree with what you are saying but does anyone know if Gronowski had any other offers? I know Miami was interested until the surgery was revealed. I’m wondering if we paid $2M (or whatever the gross amount is) for a qb not many believed was a FCS level qb to begin with.
 

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There have been too many colossal failures at the QB position for it to be on anyone but the head coach.
I’ve always said that Kirk approaches the game like a little league coach; don’t try to do too much and let the other guys make mistakes. Don’t swing for the fence. Rather, put the ball on the ground and hope the shortstop throws it into the dugout. The problem with that approach is it isn’t the 1980s anymore. Every team we face has elite talent. Every team has someone expected to play at the next level. Those slow rollers to short are getting scooped up and they’re making the easy throw for the out.
 
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I actually trust his QB evaluation. Like a poster above said we were in on Pribula, we currently have maybe the best FCS QB ever, and SEC/ACC guys as backups. The offense falls on Kirk. I said in another thread if Lester "has the keys" to the offense then the offense is a car governed at 25. He clearly is working within a framework. Any money tossed at a QB while Kirk is here is wasted money.

Ask yourself this and be honest. Would our offense look and feel any different if we had Jeremiah Smith and Drew Allar with Kirk at the helm?

I highly highly doubt it. With him at the helm those two probably combine for maybe 3 more points a game. FTR I am not one of the village idiots that thinks Kirk doesn't care about winning or is just in it for the money. As you get older you naturally become more of who you are. I believe the all ready overly conservative Kirk was mentally broken by the last few years of Brian to the point where he believes no trick plays, no downfield shots, ultra-conservative, and shiddy BIGWest style ball is the only way Iowa can win.
 
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Does this failure mean Tim Lester also has no idea how to evaluate a QB?
our consistent misses on talent is mind boggling and almost defies odds.
Empirical evidence suggests we do not have the leadership in place to expect any offensive improvements this year or ever.
Evidence via game-film tells us that talent is not the issue with MG.

It’s a) His health and b) His receivers.

We definitely should NOT have paid big money for a previously-injured quarterback who then needed SHOULDER SURGERY in addition!
 

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Lester said on multiple occasions during the off-season that he wants to get more aggressive in the pass game. We've even seen clips of spring and fall practices where we are throwing the ball down the field quite a bit. Fast forward to the season, and two games in, and there's been no aggression whatsoever. So one of two things (or possibly both) are happening:

1. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but they either aren't open or MG is scared to pull the trigger, or
2. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but KF is veto'ing before the play gets to MG.

I don't believe for a second, given Tim's background as a spread QB and a disciple of the Shanahan system, that he's not wanting to be more aggressive than what he's shown. I suppose it's possible that given the injuries to Moulton, RVZ, and Ostrenga (our 3 best and starting skill position guys), that Tim's had to adjust to be less aggressive in his play calling......but that still doesn't seem his style. I think, given the breadth of history we have on KF, that he's just not willing to take the risks needed to move the passing game forward.
 

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Beau Pribula is tearing it up for Mizzou this year. As many may recall, he almost came to Iowa. (I believe Iowa and Mizzou were his final two schools.) When Pribula headed to Mizzou, we turned to Gronowski, who was rated as one of the top QBs in the portal (albeit before it was known he needed surgery.)

That said, I will bet all the money in my pocket, that if things had worked out differently — if Pribula had chosen Iowa, and Gronowski had ended up at Mizzou — we would be having these exact same conversations. The Iowa passing game would be languishing under Pribula, and Gronowski would be shining at Mizzou (even post-surgery).

I don’t think the problem is the QB. I don’t even think it’s the OC. I think it’s the entire culture that surrounds the team’s offense.

Think back to the overall Iowa program before Hayden Fry arrived — there was no expectation to succeed. I believe something similar is true for the Iowa offense today — players don’t expect the offense to do anything other than plod along, to be just good enough to win. The focus is to “execute the game plan” … never to soar.

Culture is everything at Iowa. All of our successes over the past 20 years can be attributed to the culture Kirk Ferentz has established. It’s built on the promise that if you work hard, build strong fundamentals, and execute properly, you will be successful over time. Generally, this has worked well — well enough that after 25 years, Kirk has absolute faith in the philosophy. But there’s something about that approach that’s no longer working for the offense. And it’s holding us back.

I believe two things are fundamentally true about Hawkeye football:
  1. Kirk Ferentz has built this program into one of the top 20 or so programs in the country, which is no small achievement.
  2. Our inability to play offense at a high level (specifically passing the ball) continues to hold us back from achieving more.
I think Kirk would agree with you regarding #2, but his (and the staff's) attempts to address the passing game during the past few years have failed thus far.
 
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I actually trust his QB evaluation. Like a poster above said we were in on Pribula, we currently have maybe the best FCS QB ever, and SEC/ACC guys as backups. The offense falls on Kirk. I said in another thread if Lester "has the keys" to the offense then the offense is a car governed at 25. He clearly is working within a framework. Any money tossed at a QB while Kirk is here is wasted money.

Ask yourself this and be honest. Would our offense look and feel any different if we had Jeremiah Smith and Drew Allar with Kirk at the helm?

I highly highly doubt it. With him at the helm those two probably combine for maybe 3 more points a game. FTR I am not one of the village idiots that thinks Kirk doesn't care about winning or is just in it for the money. As you get older you naturally become more of who you are. I believe the all ready overly conservative Kirk was mentally broken by the last few years of Brian to the point where he believes no trick plays, no downfield shots, ultra-conservative, and shiddy BIGWest style ball is the only way Iowa can win.
Aggressive and creative passing attacks are the square peg to the Ferentz conservative philosophy round hole.
 

HMB Trumpet

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Lester said on multiple occasions during the off-season that he wants to get more aggressive in the pass game. We've even seen clips of spring and fall practices where we are throwing the ball down the field quite a bit. Fast forward to the season, and two games in, and there's been no aggression whatsoever. So one of two things (or possibly both) are happening:

1. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but they either aren't open or MG is scared to pull the trigger, or
2. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but KF is veto'ing before the play gets to MG.

I don't believe for a second, given Tim's background as a spread QB and a disciple of the Shanahan system, that he's not wanting to be more aggressive than what he's shown. I suppose it's possible that given the injuries to Moulton, RVZ, and Ostrenga (our 3 best and starting skill position guys), that Tim's had to adjust to be less aggressive in his play calling......but that still doesn't seem his style. I think, given the breadth of history we have on KF, that he's just not willing to take the risks needed to move the passing game forward.
There's also the issue of guys struggling to learn a complex system. Some grasp it quickly, like Vander Zee and Gill, but others don't. Regardless, it has been odd the first two games that there are few downfield routes. You'd think you would have guys run deeper routes at least occasionally, even if you aren't planning to throw many deep balls.
 

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Lester said on multiple occasions during the off-season that he wants to get more aggressive in the pass game. We've even seen clips of spring and fall practices where we are throwing the ball down the field quite a bit. Fast forward to the season, and two games in, and there's been no aggression whatsoever. So one of two things (or possibly both) are happening:

1. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but they either aren't open or MG is scared to pull the trigger, or
2. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but KF is veto'ing before the play gets to MG.

I don't believe for a second, given Tim's background as a spread QB and a disciple of the Shanahan system, that he's not wanting to be more aggressive than what he's shown. I suppose it's possible that given the injuries to Moulton, RVZ, and Ostrenga (our 3 best and starting skill position guys), that Tim's had to adjust to be less aggressive in his play calling......but that still doesn't seem his style. I think, given the breadth of history we have on KF, that he's just not willing to take the risks needed to move the passing game forward.
MG is scared to pull the trigger, plus our receivers aren’t high caliber guys
 

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Lester said on multiple occasions during the off-season that he wants to get more aggressive in the pass game. We've even seen clips of spring and fall practices where we are throwing the ball down the field quite a bit. Fast forward to the season, and two games in, and there's been no aggression whatsoever. So one of two things (or possibly both) are happening:

1. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but they either aren't open or MG is scared to pull the trigger, or
2. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but KF is veto'ing before the play gets to MG.

I don't believe for a second, given Tim's background as a spread QB and a disciple of the Shanahan system, that he's not wanting to be more aggressive than what he's shown. I suppose it's possible that given the injuries to Moulton, RVZ, and Ostrenga (our 3 best and starting skill position guys), that Tim's had to adjust to be less aggressive in his play calling......but that still doesn't seem his style. I think, given the breadth of history we have on KF, that he's just not willing to take the risks needed to move the passing game forward.
L
 

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If the offense is truly that hard to comprehend then that is a coaching issue. Unless you have a brand new roster each season there's no reason you can't dial in 20 plays and then add to it as the season goes. If the team can play madden or ncaa 25 (26?) there's no excuse for not being able to figure out a real life play.
 
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More than anything I believe the passing game problem is the passing scheme that is used. You could "plug and play" anybody at QB and the results would be the same. Gronowski passed for more than 10,000 yards at SDSU and now he suddenly can't pass for 100 yards in a game! Solution: take the passing scheme Gronowski used at SDSU and now make it Iowa's.
 
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Does this failure mean Tim Lester also has no idea how to evaluate a QB?
our consistent misses on talent is mind boggling and almost defies odds.
Empirical evidence suggests we do not have the leadership in place to expect any offensive improvements this year or ever.
Does this failure mean Tim Lester also has no idea how to evaluate a QB?
our consistent misses on talent is mind boggling and almost defies odds.
Empirical evidence suggests we do not have the leadership in place to expect any offensive improvements this year or ever.

Does this failure mean Tim Lester also has no idea how to evaluate a QB?
our consistent misses on talent is mind boggling and almost defies odds.
Empirical evidence suggests we do not have the leadership in place to expect any offensive improvements this year or ever.

Does this failure mean Tim Lester also has no idea how to evaluate a QB?
our consistent misses on talent is mind boggling and almost defies odds.
Empirical evidence suggests we do not have the leadership in place to expect any offensive improvements this year or ever.
at this point who knows just time to move on
 

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I am a glass half-full guy. Things I believe -

1. MG will get better. The offense will get better.

2. KF does not override TL, unless it's a Jedi mind trick. He doesn't do it over the headset, or there would be lots of game delays.

3. After spending a season with the Hawks, TL talked about the importance of big plays. He wouldn't have done that if KF won't let him call more aggressive plays. WR's have been slow to get open or MG hasn't pulled the trigger.

4. KF's system isn't QB or WR friendly. He prefers a rock fight to an aerial battle. This "system" is good for recruiting at every position except two.

5. ISU has a very good football team. No, not great, but they may win the conference and go to the playoffs. Yes, a weaker conference.

6. The Hawks may have won that game but for a lucky 3rd down tipped pass by ISU.

7. Over the last 27 years the Hawks have typically been slow-starters.

And lastly 8. It's time for a change at the top. The program is stuck in the mud.
 

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Lester said on multiple occasions during the off-season that he wants to get more aggressive in the pass game. We've even seen clips of spring and fall practices where we are throwing the ball down the field quite a bit. Fast forward to the season, and two games in, and there's been no aggression whatsoever. So one of two things (or possibly both) are happening:

1. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but they either aren't open or MG is scared to pull the trigger, or
2. Tim is calling aggressive shots, but KF is veto'ing before the play gets to MG.

I don't believe for a second, given Tim's background as a spread QB and a disciple of the Shanahan system, that he's not wanting to be more aggressive than what he's shown. I suppose it's possible that given the injuries to Moulton, RVZ, and Ostrenga (our 3 best and starting skill position guys), that Tim's had to adjust to be less aggressive in his play calling......but that still doesn't seem his style. I think, given the breadth of history we have on KF, that he's just not willing to take the risks needed to move the passing game forward.
I’d say #1. (Change ‘or’ to ‘and’ though)😉
 

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Every team Iowa plays has the luxury of staying in their red zone defense the entire game knowing the Hawks will do absolutely nothing to stretch the field.

Can you imagine the shock if they ever started a game with a play action pass, throwing deep down the field? The opposing D wouldn't have a clue.

This is Kirk's baby. He deserves a big thank you for all he's done then he deserves to be shown the door. IMO.
 

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Beau Pribula is tearing it up for Mizzou this year. As many may recall, he almost came to Iowa. (I believe Iowa and Mizzou were his final two schools.) When Pribula headed to Mizzou, we turned to Gronowski, who was rated as one of the top QBs in the portal (albeit before it was known he needed surgery.)

That said, I will bet all the money in my pocket, that if things had worked out differently — if Pribula had chosen Iowa, and Gronowski had ended up at Mizzou — we would be having these exact same conversations. The Iowa passing game would be languishing under Pribula, and Gronowski would be shining at Mizzou (even post-surgery).

I don’t think the problem is the QB. I don’t even think it’s the OC. I think it’s the entire culture that surrounds the team’s offense.

Think back to the overall Iowa program before Hayden Fry arrived — there was no expectation to succeed. I believe something similar is true for the Iowa offense today — players don’t expect the offense to do anything other than plod along, to be just good enough to win. The focus is to “execute the game plan” … never to soar.

Culture is everything at Iowa. All of our successes over the past 20 years can be attributed to the culture Kirk Ferentz has established. It’s built on the promise that if you work hard, build strong fundamentals, and execute properly, you will be successful over time. Generally, this has worked well — well enough that after 25 years, Kirk has absolute faith in the philosophy. But there’s something about that approach that’s no longer working for the offense. And it’s holding us back.

I believe two things are fundamentally true about Hawkeye football:
  1. Kirk Ferentz has built this program into one of the top 20 or so programs in the country, which is no small achievement.
  2. Our inability to play offense at a high level (specifically passing the ball) continues to hold us back from achieving more.
Agree with most of this except g man is not shoulder ok
 
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Jonesy5960

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Every team Iowa plays has the luxury of staying in their red zone defense the entire game knowing the Hawks will do absolutely nothing to stretch the field.

Can you imagine the shock if they ever started a game with a play action pass, throwing deep down the field? The opposing D wouldn't have a clue.

This is Kirk's baby. He deserves a big thank you for all he's done then he deserves to be shown the door. IMO.
Everyone from the fans to the media know and have commented that a complete lack of a vertical passing game isn't going to yield optimal results. The staff isn't great, but even they know that throwing downfield on a semi-regular basis is a requirement for offensive success. The only explanation for why they won't is because they have no confidence in executing it, and when they do call for it, the QB doesn't have the confidence to pull the trigger and ends up checking down. MG is averaging 6 yards per completion which is historically bad in today's game. As a comparison, Sullivan averaged 12.5. People can point at the receivers and the scheme, but Sullivan was statistically far superior in the same system with the same receivers who now have a full year under their belts playing in this offense. MG is also getting way more time to survey the field than Sullivan ever had. Nobody wants to admit it, but the team would likely be 2-0 and in a much better position had the staff simply stuck with Sullivan and picked up a few pieces to further improve what they had.
 
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Everyone from the fans to the media know and have commented that a complete lack of a vertical passing game isn't going to yield optimal results. The staff isn't great, but even they know that throwing downfield on a semi-regular basis is a requirement for offensive success. The only explanation for why they won't is because they have no confidence in executing it, and when they do call for it, the QB doesn't have the confidence to pull the trigger and ends up checking down. MG is averaging 6 yards per completion which is historically bad in today's game. As a comparison, Sullivan averaged 12.5. People can point at the receivers and the scheme, but Sullivan was statistically far superior in the same system with the same receivers who now have a full year under their bets playing in this offense. MG is also getting way more time to survey the field than Sullivan ever had. Nobody wants to admit it, but the team would likely be 2-0 and in a much better position had the staff simply stuck with Sullivan and picked up a few pieces to further improve what they had.
I'm starting to come around to this. I think Sullivan bailed too quickly on some passes in the face of pressure, but then I sort of see Gronkowski doing the same thing.

How great it would have been to have two capable guys leading the QB room, rather than one okay guy and complete unknowns for the rest. I guess that's too much to ask for as both would have wanted to start.
 

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I'm starting to come around to this. I think Sullivan bailed too quickly on some passes in the face of pressure, but then I sort of see Gronkowski doing the same thing.

How great it would have been to have two capable guys leading the QB room, rather than one okay guy and complete unknowns for the rest. I guess that's too much to ask for as both would have wanted to start.
Well that's kind of the problem. We don't have an "okay guy" today. Statistically we have the worst QB in all of FBS. He's been terrible. We had an "okay guy" and basically ran him off by going out and paying big dollars for the terrible guy. If we'd just looked to bring in QB2 and added some pieces in other areas we'd be in a much better spot with a QB in his second year in the system who could have hit the ground running. Instead they bought another fixer-upper who may or may not ever perform like he did before.
 

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Well that's kind of the problem. We don't have an "okay guy" today. Statistically we have the worst QB in all of FBS. He's been terrible. We had an "okay guy" and basically ran him off by going out and paying big dollars for the terrible guy. If we'd just looked to bring in QB2 and added some pieces in other areas we'd be in a much better spot with a QB in his second year in the system who could have hit the ground running. Instead they bought another fixer-upper who may or may not ever perform like he did before.
I suspect you eat crayons.
 

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Insightful. Anyone who believes that MG hasn't played really poorly these first 2 games was fed lead as a child.
Anyone who thinks MG was the problem on Saturday was fed LEAD as a child. He single handedly kept us in the game. Huge drops and nothing he can do about the routes lester and Kurt called.
 
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MotownHAWK

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Anyone who thinks MG was the problem on Saturday was fed LEAD as a child. He single handedly kept us in the game. Huge drops and nothing he can do about the routes lester and Kurt called.
Yea, try telling that to these bozos. If he ain’t throwing for 900 and scoring 112 a game they will say he sucks. It’s part of the mental makeup of “fans” around here. They’re waiting for the second coming of Brad Banks or Ricky Stanzi.
 

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I feel Kirk is a really simple guy. I mean….we’ve got nearly three decades of experience as the head man

i think the simple explanation for how bad our offense is, is if Kirk does not trust the QB then we are basically screwed and see these results.

Banks
Tate
Stanzi - took some time
CJB
Stanley - he couldn’t hit the deep pass or we would have seen more explosive plays

All of these QBs have/had high level college and borderline NFL talent. With CJB getting the most playing time in the league.

Stanzi prob drove Kirk the most cray because of the pick 6, but KOK believed in him and it paid off.

If QBs are sucking it up in practice, if they have an injury that doesn’t allow them to do something specific to the position, or they don’t quite know the playbook

Kirk plays conservative.

MG’s arm isn’t 100%. He doesn’t trust it. He also doesn’t know the playbook with missing time.

Throw in the turnovers we saw at open practice and the ones we heard about in closed practice…millions of $$$ paid….and this is what we get.

If the light doesn’t go on physically or mentally for MG, we’ll continue to see this horrible conservative football…..why change when you can win 8-10 games and that’s acceptable to Kirk and staff.

If MG had the arm and mastery of the offense, I think Kirk allows more freedom
 
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Jonesy5960

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Anyone who thinks MG was the problem on Saturday was fed LEAD as a child. He single handedly kept us in the game. Huge drops and nothing he can do about the routes lester and Kurt called.
Single handedly kept us in the game? He was terrible. Was it the 7 point turnover he threw that resulted in an ISU first down at the 18 that kept Iowa in the game? There was really only one bad drop by Gill that would have resulted in more than a few yards. With respect to the deeper routes, it's obvious the staff has no confidence in their ability to connect or you would see more than one per game. How often over the last 2 games have you seen MG hit a receiver that was moving on a timing route? This isn't peewee football where guys are consistently open by 5 or 10 yards standing still downfield, but those seem to be the only passes that even get thrown. Anderson broke wide open on a fly pattern on the next to last 4th quarter drive. Gronowski sees him but instead of an accurate pass throws the ball in the direction of the safety which he was lucky resulted in a pass interference penalty as Anderson basically ran into him trying to adjust to the errant pass. That could have been the game winner right there.

I swear to God it's been so long since Iowa fans saw a capable QB they have zero clue as to what they look like anymore.
 
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Jonesy5960

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I feel Kirk is a really simple guy. I mean….we’ve got nearly three decades of experience as the head man

i think the simple explanation for how bad our offense is, is if Kirk does not trust the QB then we are basically screwed and see these results.

Banks
Tate
Stanzi - took some time
CJB
Stanley - he couldn’t hit the deep pass or we would have seen more explosive plays

All of these QBs have/had high level college and borderline NFL talent. With CJB getting the most playing time in the league.

Stanzi prob drove Kirk the most cray because of the pick 6, but KOK believed in him and it paid off.

If QBs are sucking it up in practice, if they have an injury that doesn’t allow them to do something specific to the position, or they don’t quite know the playbook

Kirk plays conservative.

MG’s arm isn’t 100%. He doesn’t trust it. He also doesn’t know the playbook with missing time.

Throw in the turnovers we saw at open practice and the ones we heard about in closed practice…millions of $$$ paid….and this is what we get.

If the light doesn’t go on physically or mentally for MG, we’ll continue to see this horrible conservative football…..why change when you can win 8-10 games and that’s acceptable to Kirk and staff.

If MG had the arm and mastery of the offense, I think Kirk allows more freedom
Exactly
 

Jonesy5960

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Yea, try telling that to these bozos. If he ain’t throwing for 900 and scoring 112 a game they will say he sucks. It’s part of the mental makeup of “fans” around here. They’re waiting for the second coming of Brad Banks or Ricky Stanzi.
Sh#t. How about a freaking Brendan Sullivan. You want to compare stats? 🤡
 

hawkeyemark18

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I feel Kirk is a really simple guy. I mean….we’ve got nearly three decades of experience as the head man

i think the simple explanation for how bad our offense is, is if Kirk does not trust the QB then we are basically screwed and see these results.

Banks
Tate
Stanzi - took some time
CJB
Stanley - he couldn’t hit the deep pass or we would have seen more explosive plays

All of these QBs have/had high level college and borderline NFL talent. With CJB getting the most playing time in the league.

Stanzi prob drove Kirk the most cray because of the pick 6, but KOK believed in him and it paid off.

If QBs are sucking it up in practice, if they have an injury that doesn’t allow them to do something specific to the position, or they don’t quite know the playbook

Kirk plays conservative.

MG’s arm isn’t 100%. He doesn’t trust it. He also doesn’t know the playbook with missing time.

Throw in the turnovers we saw at open practice and the ones we heard about in closed practice…millions of $$$ paid….and this is what we get.

If the light doesn’t go on physically or mentally for MG, we’ll continue to see this horrible conservative football…..why change when you can win 8-10 games and that’s acceptable to Kirk and staff.

If MG had the arm and mastery of the offense, I think Kirk allows more freedom
Liked your post except winning 8-10 games at this point seems a stretch. We made a very bad investment in Gronowski and a very poor choice not to stick with Sullivan.

Kirk's mismanagement of the QB position has seriously started to bleed financial resources. A major reason why the pressure needs to continue to mount for him to negotiate his buyout and step away.
 

Jonesy5960

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Liked your post except winning 8-10 games at this point seems a stretch. We made a very bad investment in Gronowski and a very poor choice not to stick with Sullivan.

Kirk's mismanagement of the QB position has seriously started to bleed financial resources. A major reason why the pressure needs to continue to mount for him to negotiate his buyout and step away.
Oh to have been a fly on the wall during these portal discussions.
 

DBHawkSoCal

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Liked your post except winning 8-10 games at this point seems a stretch. We made a very bad investment in Gronowski and a very poor choice not to stick with Sullivan.

Kirk's mismanagement of the QB position has seriously started to bleed financial resources. A major reason why the pressure needs to continue to mount for him to negotiate his buyout and step away.
Not saying they will this year haha….but Kirk has done it before and he loves to remind us of the past
 
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