Thoughts on Wimsatt
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Sure, because repetitively switching out offensive coordinators is always the answer.
My point is, star athletes at any age often excel against ‘average’ older athletes at the same level. Yes it’s more difficult for a young QB compared to a WR or a lineman but we’re not comparing Wimsatt to Vick, Savage or Trevor Lawrence. We’re comparing him to a journeyman QB who wouldn’t start anywhere else and probably not be the #2 either.
My opinion is, that 4 months into his college career he should be better than Vedral and he doesn’t seem to be. Age doesn’t matter as much as many of you think it does.
My opinion is, that 4 months into his college career he should be better than Vedral and he doesn’t seem to be. Age doesn’t matter as much as many of you think it does.
a lot of students turned 18 in October when I was back in
college, so they were 17 for a month or so.
doesn't really matter if he was 17 and 3/4 , or 18, he was bound to struggle with the college game without a full high school senior year, and getting a lot of practice at college before playing....
I just think we used him wrong, once again, don't go for the homerun with backup receivers, when even our first string receivers could not hook up with a qb
I think it absolutely does matter. From experience, the Coaches arent focused on him in the middle of the season between game prep, installation of game plan at practice, first team reps. Guys who are bottom of the depth chart, which he was, do not get looks during the season barring injury. He was probably running the scout team most of the year outside of a very few select plays. He was not getting even remotely close to the same level coaching that the others have received for now two years. Spring ball, summer works outs, and fall camp will prove that. He is vastly more athletic than Noah which was proved yesterday. Noah has a true coaching advantage which goes leaps and bounds further.
He is still a baby. Not sure if he’s even 18. Give him 7 months of film work. He likely has no idea how to read BiG or SEC defenses. He really only played 3 yrs of HS football.
I agree that coaching and practice reps, especially for a QB, matters…but the age excuse and ‘not having a full hs senior year’ doesn’t hold water.
I wonder what the excuses will be in the fall when Vedral is the starter again.
Add to it Langan’s enthusiasm about his ability. From a guy who has been on the QB room at Rutgers for the last 4 years. We all should be excited
I have been watching Rutgers Football since 1980. I know I am excited.
1 thing that impressed me was his pocket presence!!!
Big upgrade from current sack magnet situation
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All of the successful freshmen QBs,historically ,had Spring and Summer sessions,Summer certainly,in which to get familiar with the college game.Gavin did not.He will blossom next season.He has the tools to become a very good QB.
It does matter. Even if it's HS ball, it's a whole extra year of development time. He has played one less year of football than other freshman QB.
Another guru I see? Actually if your post wasn’t so ignorant it would be comical. You ‘re another who posts continuous anti Rutgers BS. You can’t change a leopards‘s spots. The kid didn’t even practice until the first game of 2021. Greg Schiano handled Gavin perfectly and the reason is our O line was such an early **** show. Now I’ll ignore your stupidly when it comes to Rutgers and knowledge .
Will you have the same opinion when Vedral is the starter next year too ?
At what point does leaving hs early not matter to ability ?
At what point does leaving hs early not matter to ability ?
You are right, Bob. Two kinds of Shelby65 posts:
1) anti Rutgers posts
2) stupid, anti Rutgers posts
Caleb Williams is also 2 years older and had a full summer camp, no?
Quinn Ewers did the same thing as Gavin but at OSU -‘plenty of opportunities to play with blowouts etc. He played two snaps all year both were handoffs
Here’s why the post was not well thought out by the OP. Gavin Wimsatt arrived game week # 1 and has been here actually 3 months . # 2 He did not have spring nor summer ball.# 3 He did not throw his first game pass until game 8 . # 4 he was only 17 until maybe what? October. # 5 Did I mention the O line was not good for most of the year. Yet we still have Rutgers FANS making non sensical posts about a young QB or having a spring football QB competition. Look up and see what is possible on the horizon for this program.
Gavin Wimsatt is a gutsy kid with a lot of talent and I look forward to seeing him develop. But what the game yesterday showed just as what we saw all year and what we have seen for most of Ru FB history is that Rutgers needs to develop a crop of quarterbacks on the roster where if one is not performing well there is someone who can come in and do the job. Every quality team has that. We don’t. I hope Gavin Wimsatt will help solve that problem, but even if he does, having one quality quarterback on the roster (and we have virtually never had two Big Ten quality quarterbacks on the roster at the same time) will not be enough to move the needle from where we currently are in the Big Ten standings. Politi’s article on this is right on the money.
You can’t compare Gavin with any other qb that has enrolled before Sept….which is basically none. Most qbs are now enrolling Jan to get ready for Sept. he didn’t have a camp or a spring… even though technically he was a freshman he was not he was a senior in high school who didn’t have a senior season. He needs spring and summer camp reps ….strength training, he will be completely different next year.
But there is more to playing QB then just being "better". Need to have a solid grasp of the playbook. In order to have that you need practice, you need reps. Wimsatt had very little opportunity this year to learn.
Wimsatt making a significant impact this year was just never a real possibility.
Caleb Williams was a higher ranked prospect, but he also was a true class of 2021 recruit who enrolled early and was at Oklahoma for spring and preseason practices. He was also throwing to better receivers and protected by a better offensive line.
Wimsatt IS better than Vedral though in terms of running speed and arm strength. He is NOT better in terms of football IQ, decision making or knowledge of the offense and the players around him. He's also pretty thin and needs to put on some muscle weight.
Guess what happens with experience and coaching? You tend to learn the offense and improve your football IQ.
What was a little concerning was the pretty headscratching decisions he made like running out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away, sliding well before the first down marker and throwing into double coverage. Some of his throws were also wildly inaccurate for a 4 star QB.
The potential is there he just has a lot of work to do.
That’s fair and I may be jumping the gun but I foresee Vedral being the starter next year 1) because Schiano is a conservative hc and 2) I think a talented qb should already be better than Vedral after just a few months of practice. Other teams, sure it might take a year or two to surpass an established QB but not to surpass a guy who’s just not a P5 player
Every indication we’ve been given from the mods, on both sites on premium, is that Gavin is head and shoulders above everyone else in the quarterback room when it comes to talent. It’s not even close. This is just a matter of him being ready to take over the reins as starter and Greg trusting Noah to make the right decisions and control the game. It is NOT a “talent” or “abilities” thing.
I dont think many people fully understand how fast the college game is and especially trying to pick it up mid season.
Not to mention NV has an extraordinary football IQ which makes him valuable m. His talent is not there. He will probably be a very good coach. His ability to understand the offense and read defenses is something that he will help GW with. That’s why age is so much more important. You dont pick that up day 1 with no offseason.
Save your breath NUTS it was the same early Schiano 1 there are posters and then there are THOSE posters many trolls. In reality who really cares . Schiano will do what he thinks best contrary to board to the few idiots who always look for the failures or negative news . Look all around us it’s part of the culture . Not always a good thing.
He's got a gifted "feel" for the pocket, absolute effortless throwing motion and a tighter ball spin than a ducks butt stuck in the ice
I’m always stunned by the amount of people who will make a judgement on a completely inexperienced player at the most difficult position on the football field and in all of team sports after minimal time and game experience. You see it with rookie QBs in the NFL and freshmen QBs at the college level. People who don’t understand how much more is involved other than throwing the ball. Even if Wimsatt isn’t ready to be effective early next season, I could see him playing 3 years from now for RU and tearing it up.
If Wimsatt is not starting next year then I'll start to worry. But like I said, he just didn't know enough of the playbook this season to get significant snaps.
He was also a 5 star QB; ranked 5th overall for every player regardless of position.
Plus he has half a dozen NFL high draft picks around him.
Plus he’s 20 yrs old.
I’m good going all in with Wimsatt next year. Take the Pickett strategy and allow him to continue to develop even when he struggles