Thoughts on the Ryder cup beat down?

[boatsandhoes]

Tiger was 0-6 this week. When you add Phil they were 0-9. Lots of blame to go around. Most of them were bad, the lone standout was Thomas. finau played good for a rook.

can you still be the greatest player of all time with a putrid Ryder cup record? It’s not just one year, he’s terrible in Ryder cup in his time period, and it’s not close.

 

[Hankp22]

Reed

It sounds like there was some petty dysfunctional crap going on behind the scenes. Reed was complaining that he was not paired with Spieth. Phil was usless this weekend and should not have been on the team. It sounds like there was internal bickering before it really even got started.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pa...as-about-to-light-the-room-up-like-phil-in-14

I thought Tiger hit the ball better than his results indicate. But your point still stands that he did not score this weekend. If Patrick Reed could have broken 80 when they played together, they possibly would have won that match. I did think Justin Thomas played well.

The Europeans were able to establish momentum in the afternoon on day 1 and never let up. They seem to have a much better team approach to the event. Fleetwood and Molinari played great the first two days and it was fun watching them play.

Le Golf National was also a course that was a rough setup for the US. You have very thin fairways and the US struggled to hit them all weekend. You have to keep the ball in decent spots because the rough at a course like that really sets you back. There is little margin for error. And that neutralizes the games of DJ and Bubba a bit. And Tiger for that matter.

End of the day, the Europeans just played a good few days of golf. That was my takeaway.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Tiger was 0-4. There's only 5 rounds, and he sat out one of the. But your point is still made, they were a combined 0-7.

Tiger's record in the singles matches is actually pretty good, but he is well below .500 in the team matches. Our whole team has been pretty disappointing, going back to when they first opened the cup up to all European players.

 

[DocHolliday.sixpack]

Another embarrassing head scratcher. Bad weekend in sports

 

[DAWG61]

Tiger was really 0-1 as Reed and DeChambeau gave him zero help against a twosome in Molinari and Fleetwood that wouldn't have lost to anyone on the planet. Gotta remember Tiger had to be exhausted emotionally and physically by the time Sunday came around too after just having won the Players Championship. He was emotionally totally drained. The Euros had a massive advantage over USA. Their team had played something like 275 rounds at that course before were USA's entire team had played only 8. They also had the course tailored to hider the longer hitting USA squad and to benefit the more accurate lighter hitting Euro squad. We will return the favor in two years. We almost never win when we cross the pond. Europe treats this tournament like it's the World Cup final for them. We want to win but not all 12 guys want it as badly as they do. Phil & Bubba just wanted to party. We got our asses kicked. It'll get fixed for the next time. Then we'll get slaughtered again in 4 years.

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[AlCoDog]

Pretty simple, American players dominate individual stroke play because that’s what they grow up playing. Pair them with a teammate, and they suck.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

This is why I never play golf at 3AM.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

1. They should change the dates to two weeks after the Fedex Cup final. It would be more fair to allow for time difference adjustment.
2. The extra week could be used for the captain to team up the guys and only let them play alternate shot against each other for a week. The losing team will be given a shower of shame for each match. I mean something gross to really apply the pressure. Televise that to add to it. The cleanest teams play the Foursomes.
3. There were complaints that the setup took the the length advantage away from the US. Two professional golfers should NEVER both hit a freaking iron that far off the fairway. The best I got to be was a 6 and I did not drive the ball as crappy as those guys did.
4. How do you only have 4 matches out at one time and not show every shot? WAY too many commercials.

 

[DAWG61]

The coverage was brutal. NBC is clueless. They need to show it like RedZone and show every shot instead of watching the minute it takes for one guy to read their put and then hit it.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Bad news: It was a beat down.
Good news: it won’t happen again for two years

 

[GTAdawg]

Reed is a prick that tries to play the “everyone hates me card” and use it as motivation, but it is old. He also has a lot of family/personal drama that goes down. He’ll be cancer to the Ryder Cup team for years to come that he makes. Don’t expect him to ever be a captains pick.

 

[boatsandhoes]

Commercials are killing every tv sport. I live for Dvr. Otherwise it is unwatchable.

@dawg61 excuses, excuses is all I hear. I’m sure rose was tired too, He won the whole flipping fed ex cup. Again I ask you, can you be the greatest ever when you consistently get your *** whipped in competition for your country? Match play is even more man to man than stroke play. It is the truest form of serious golf competition.

We won’t beat them but about 25% of the time over 10 years.

I say the next time around...pick all the guys who have a winning or even record against them in competition. Forget the veterans who have no sack.

 

[patdog]

Commercials are killing every tv sport. I live for Dvr. Otherwise it is unwatchable.

I can't even watch any sport other than soccer in real time. It's better in football live than on TV, but even that has become a chore. I'm glad all our games are on TV, but I miss the days when a game took 2 hrs 30 minutes instead of 4 hours.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

TV realtime is questionable in many cases

Generally, I had a live leaderboard pulled up on my PC...

Often the TV feed was a quite a bit behind the leaderboard.

Leaderboards are normally a bit/very slow.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

Here is my two cents:

The Euro's have an approach to win. We do not. What's that mean? Two things

Their captain uses the best analytics to determine who will play and win. Not a single person on the Euro team questions his role. We are busy trying to juggle personalities to please everyone.

They setup the course to make driving accuracy a premium which was what their team does well and ours does not. This actually leads back to point one in a way because we trying to please everyone and playing name guys that can't hit a fairway when they should not even be on the team.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Here is my two cents:

The Euro's have an approach to win. We do not. What's that mean? Two things

Their captain uses the best analytics to determine who will play and win. Not a single person on the Euro team questions his role. We are busy trying to juggle personalities to please everyone.

They setup the course to make driving accuracy a premium which was what their team does well and ours does not. This actually leads back to point one in a way because we trying to please everyone and playing name guys that can't hit a fairway when they should not even be on the team.

Very true. A lot of people don’t know that the host captain determines the course setup.

I can guarantee as long as we keep sending Driver/Wedge bombers over there the Euros will grow 6 inch rough, 2 inch primary cuts and pinch the fairways at 300 yards. We’ll be playing courses we’ve never laid eyes on before and the greens will be rolling about 10 on the stimp meter.

If anyone is interested in some great golf stories and a look at the dynamics of the Ryder Cup check out John Feinstein’s book The First Major. It’s a great look behind the curtain. You’ll also have a much different view of some players you probably hate and some players you probably love. It’s worth a read/listen.

‪https://www.audible.com/pd/B076HW8SWG?action_code=SNGGBWS072717001P&ipRedirectOverride=true‬

 

[DAWG61]

Commercials are killing every tv sport. I live for Dvr. Otherwise it is unwatchable.

@dawg61 excuses, excuses is all I hear. I’m sure rose was tired too, He won the whole flipping fed ex cup. Again I ask you, can you be the greatest ever when you consistently get your *** whipped in competition for your country? Match play is even more man to man than stroke play. It is the truest form of serious golf competition.

We won’t beat them but about 25% of the time over 10 years.

I say the next time around...pick all the guys who have a winning or even record against them in competition. Forget the veterans who have no sack.

He is the greatest golfer ever so it's not a question. However he is far from the greatest Ryder Cup golfer ever. Tiger has a winning record in singles matches though. It's when he's paired up with a teammate that he struggles. I'm honestly not very shocked by this as we all know Tiger is a monster narcissist. Jordan would probably suck at two man basketball too.

 

[Charlie Varney]

I like Furyk, but he was the worse RC captain since Hal Sutton.

 

[Dawg1976]

Reed plays the hate card well and everyone does hate him. Including Americans. Why anyone wants to be hated is beyond me.

 

[StarkVegas Steve]

Here is my two cents:

The Euro's have an approach to win. We do not. What's that mean? Two things

Their captain uses the best analytics to determine who will play and win. Not a single person on the Euro team questions his role. We are busy trying to juggle personalities to please everyone.

They setup the course to make driving accuracy a premium which was what their team does well and ours does not. This actually leads back to point one in a way because we trying to please everyone and playing name guys that can't hit a fairway when they should not even be on the team.

This hits the nail on the head. The Euros are playing for their country, the Americans are playing for themselves. And the sooner we get rid of players like Patrick Reed, the better. We'll also be able to hate him the whole 52 weeks instead of having to cheer for him for 3 days.

 

[KingBarkus]

The Americans, other than Justin Thomas, blew off the French Open played on the same course. It's no secret Thomas was one of the best American performers. I don't listen to all that Ryder Cup hype if the Americans don't bother to do put in the effort to learn the course. The telecast? A commercial filled joke. When I put my tinfoil hat on, I theorize the split screen crap during the commercials was to screw the folks DVR-ing the broadcasts.

 

[boatsandhoes]

Rubbish

Jordan would still whoop everyone’s a** in two on two including labron.

a good partner player makes the other better, brings the lower guy to his level. so you’re saying it’s the format, his partners, and the course set-up’s fault eh. We should prolly only play tiger in singles then.

@everyone
I don’t buy the course set up. at the end, everyone is playing the same track. Rory hits it as far as anyone, and so does rose. If you’re good enough at the time or the game then you overcome course set up. That’s like saying it’s not fair because we all have to hit 8 irons instead of wedges. so Americans suck when you force them to hit 3 woods off tee’s and 7-8’s into greens? it must suck not to be able to pick your yardage in.