Thoughts on Sanctions

[messageboardsuperhero]

1. I do not blame compliance, Keemun or anyone else in the leadership for how this was handled, at least on the back end after it was discovered. Yes the eight game suspensions are bad and I think a bit excessive, but it could have been worse. At least they contained it to a very limited scope and kept the year long, potentially program crippling black cloud away. We know the penalties and the investigation is over.

2. Players were stupid and deserve most of the blame, along with the tutor. I would say the players deserve a little more blame though, because the tutor just hurt his or herself. The players let their teammates down.

3. How the 17 do we allow this to happen? It’s like damn amateur hour. We should have had better safeguards in place to prevent this. If you are going to be a part time tutor, it has to be made abundantly clear that if you do something that jeopardizes eligibility, you are out of the university. There has to be better oversight.

I’m not pissed at the NCAA (even though the suspensions seem a little much)- it’s not their fault we screwed up. I’m pissed that this could even happen and disappointed in the players. We have to be better than that.

 

[RPOdawg]

It’s a win for us considering what they did. Let’s play some ball.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

We were let down by people employed by the university. So damn ridiculous and small time to allow this to happen to such an extent. Pink slips need to start raining down asap.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Is there official confirmation on the suspensions. I don't think we will get names due to FERPA, but any hard numbers? The NCAA announcement says she did work for 10 football student-athletes, but that only 8 of those competed while ineligible.

Are the suspensions part of the NCAA sanctions or just university imposed? Does anyone have something other than rumor on this (and I consider Matt Wyatt's tweets to be rumors, albeit reliable ones).

 

[Diggin Out Yo Wife]

Is there official confirmation on the suspensions. I don't think we will get names due to FERPA, but any hard numbers? The NCAA announcement says she did work for 10 football student-athletes, but that only 8 of those competed while ineligible.

Are the suspensions part of the NCAA sanctions or just university imposed? Does anyone have something other than rumor on this (and I consider Matt Wyatt's tweets to be rumors, albeit reliable ones).

Doesn't seem like this part is truly known at this point.

 

[Shooter McGavin.sixpack]

Exactly. I am in no way condoning what the players did, but that tutor is a complete idiot. It is incredibly easy to get away with this type of stuff taking online classes yet we somehow have the one tutor who can't pull this off. It is mind boggling.

 

[DudyDog]

We were let down by people employed by the university. So damn ridiculous and small time to allow this to happen to such an extent. Pink slips need to start raining down asap.

See, this is what I disagree with from everyone who has posted the same. How many times have we seen an individual(s) in a business setting arrested for illegal activity in their employment? A person is charged for embezzling $200k over the past 2 years, someone is charged with cooking the books to show a greater profit for the business over the past 4 years, a clerk in a bank is charged for directing money from customer accounts to an account that they have access to....

Cheating happens every single day across dozens and dozens of platforms. I guarantee you students at every university in this country cheated at some level TODAY. Even at MSU while these improprieties were being announced.

The bottom line is not too many of the people cheating get caught right away. The greater majority don't. For our compliance department to catch this obviously within ONE year of it happening, is being on top of things. And I say within one year because it looks like it doesn't cross over to multiple classes since the majority are from last years redshirt class other than a couple upperclassmen.

So, to me, for anyone to say the University let us down by letting this go on for as long as it did, is simply wrong. Not to mention all the other comments made similar to the above. Schmedlap, I hate to point you out directly, but I just felt I needed to offer my feelings on the subject, just as you and others have. This very easily could have gone on for a longer period and included multiple classes before it was caught. Then it would have been a whole lot worse trying to compete at the level we do. This will hardly be talked about this time next month.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

Exactly. I am in no way condoning what the players did, but that tutor is a complete idiot. It is incredibly easy to get away with this type of stuff taking online classes yet we somehow have the one tutor who can't pull this off. It is mind boggling.

Taking an online test while the guy was playing a game? If that rumor is true, wow what a dumbass.

 

[Shamoan]

This feels like a setup, not coincidence.

 

[GloryDawg]

The tutor needs to be reported to the IRS.

 

[Col. Forbin]

This. I heard said tutor had an axe to grind with the basketball player.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Do individual tutors have to be approved by the school ? Seems like that would be S.O.P..

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

So it looks like the part time study tutor is no longer working there, i'm wording if the supervisor over them is being reprimanded. That just can't happen. The students athletes know better, but I know a lot of athletes and regular students will look for the easy way out. It's the job of the apathetic academic staff and the coaches to make sure they don't get away with taking the easy way. The boss of the tutor should have been checking in on all of that more often and making sure this kind of things isn't going down. i know it's impossible to stop all of it. but that many athletes with one tutor doing all of that should have not happened.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I would bet more than one of these guys has been getting "the easy way out" academically since the 9th grade.

 

[RocketDawg]

Maybe to an extent you are right, but the players involved and the tutor(s) all knew what they did was wrong and potentially damaging (as it turned out to be). There should be no need to babysit college students, athletes or not.

 

[ckDOG]

Those who cheat their way to a degree can kiss my ***.

Don't care if they are football players. 17 them. 17 the tutor. 17 anyone who enables that kind of environment.

Not being able to play in 8 football games is light. They are lucky to still be students and retain their scholarships.

Spare me student athlete lifestyle sob stories. Plenty of people make sacrifices in college to EARN their degree without resorting to cheating.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Why do I feel like a certain tutor just won a private full-paid scholarship to UM?***

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

The kids are lucky they weren’t expelled. We’ll deal with the sanctions.

I think at the end of the day, the football suspensions on starters will affect the outcome of 2 games depending on which ones we choose to select. We won’t notice anything else.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

oh, no doubt. no excuse for it. bad on them and bad on the tutor. bad on those above the tutor.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

that's also what i'm wondering. certainly they failed the class for breaking honor code. do they still make students sign the honor code before the class?

 

[RiverCityDawg]

This. I heard said tutor had an axe to grind with the basketball player.

She was kicked out of school. I'm not saying she didn't do this over an axe to grind, but that would be a special kind of crazy to get caught intentionally, ruin your academic career and waste all that money you've spent on education over some bull **** grudge.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

The only bad thing in all of this is that we go on probation and still didn't get a football win over Bama.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I’ll be honest, this **** probably happens at almost every freaking school and they handle it in house.

Meanwhile, Bracky Brett makes phone calls to the NCAA every time someone farts in the wind.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Happens everywhere to some degree.

Tutor had a relationship with one of the players and it went south.

Tutor took all the online classes for the players from the same computer with the same IP address, did not use a proxy server.

Players were paying her directly in small amounts, nothing big.

This is a case of a kid making some easy cash who messed up and got a lot of folks in trouble.

 

[gad99sten]

It was wrong on both ends, don’t see how they can kick the tutor out and not the players. Seems like that would lend itself to some form of litigation unless the tutor willingly left the University.

 

[Hankp22]

Think about this

Several athletic departments across the country trust current students to work/intern within all deptartments. Most of those students do great work because they enjoy the work environment.

That said, athletic departments put a ton of trust in those student interns and rarely pay them. You have a multi-million dollar athletic budget and interns can be put in some situations where legit infractions can occur. It's a massive risk.

That's all across college athletics.

And for those complaining about compliance.....they did their job. This could have been much worse. Student athletes got caught cheating. I can't defend that.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Don't care if they are football players. 17 them. 17 the tutor. 17 anyone who enables that kind of environment.

Not being able to play in 8 football games is light. They are lucky to still be students and retain their scholarships.

Spare me student athlete lifestyle sob stories. Plenty of people make sacrifices in college to EARN their degree without resorting to cheating.

The worst thing about this deal is the three year probation. The margin for error is now razor thin.

 

[CommonSenseDog]

I’ll be honest, this **** probably happens at almost every freaking school and they handle it in house

To some degree, yes. Although the non-stupid schools likely have a policy that “student athlete must be present” when assignments are being done, even if they are just sitting in the corner on their phones.

Now who’s to say we don’t have that policy and this ***** just went rogue? It’s possible, even likely, given that she was getting the side payments.

Now, if it’s true that the course was Survey of Chem the players are even more at fault. That’s one of the well-known “auto-A’s” on campus where you literally have to do nothing, just some online quizzes where the answers are easily found (if it’s still anything like a couple years back).

Really this highlights the absurdity and insane wastefulness we as a nation devote to “higher education”. Only our wars in the Middle East and the Great Society have been more wasteful. Do many careers require higher education beyond high school? Of course! Is the 4 year institution the best place to make this happen, with broad requirements across the curriculum to receive the degree? Of course not. I hope to see “everyone go to college, here take this debt” wither and die in my lifetime