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I did not claim he (moore) was. My post did not mention him at all. I posted what obama said and pointed out that obama was being political. That is the post you replied to.
Dude….you literally said “Does this meet that standard? Always some political ******* like him running to microphone to try and score political points from a tragedy.” as a direct reply to my post about Murphy and then put a random tweet from Obama at the bottom like it was driving home your point.

It’s okay to be wrong and get carried away……but you are setting a whole new standard here. Move on….please.
 
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CUT93

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Dude….you literally said “Does this meet that standard? Always some political ******* like him running to microphone to try and score political points from a tragedy.” as a direct reply to my post about Murphy and then put a random tweet from Obama at the bottom like it was driving home your point.

It’s okay to be wrong and get carried away……but you are setting a whole new standard here. Move on….please.
I know what I said. The "this" in that quote was referring to obama's words being political. My whole post was about what obama said. Why else would I put his quote there for you to comment on?
 

dbjork6317

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Yet you had no problem injecting race and lgbt... in it did you?
Because we’re talking about a school shooting. My point being that if Republican governors (like the one I have here in Texas) spent time worrying about school shootings as much as they worry about phony school issues like CRT then maybe what happened yesterday wouldn’t have happened.
 

WapPride

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how many days do we have to wait after a shooting until we can talk about it and it not be "political" ??

bc we're averaging a school shooting every 5 days in the US and we're running out of time before the next one
 
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Because we’re talking about a school shooting. My point being that if Republican governors (like the one I have here in Texas) spent time worrying about school shootings as much as they worry about phony school issues like CRT then maybe what happened yesterday wouldn’t have happened.
Well thank goodness they weren't worrying about whatever that dem gov of Sandy Hook was worrying about, or more kids might have been killed, right?
 
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How about a law that requires you to be 21 before you can purchase and a longer wait period? Not a law per se, but I personally would like to see guns priced so that they would be out of range of a teenager's budget.
No argument here.
 
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Because we’re talking about a school shooting. My point being that if Republican governors (like the one I have here in Texas) spent time worrying about school shootings as much as they worry about phony school issues like CRT then maybe what happened yesterday wouldn’t have happened.
And another fun fact for you. Almost 2/3 school shootings this year are in states with dem govs. Maybe they should quit worrying so much about pushing their agenda and worry more about keeping their kids safe. See how that works?
 
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What I'm saying is that my wife, who has had numerous gun classes,and is a very capable shot with a handgun does not want to carry a gun. I know very few teachers who do want to carry a gun.

Why is more guns the answer? How about increasing security? Investing is systems that recognize guns and are created to keep them out? How about placing a school resource officer in every school? How about increasing programs for mental health and coping skills? Training for emotional regulation?

We have a violence problem in America. We are by far the most violent country on Earth. School shootings don't happen other places? Why is that? If I see more person say ," What we need is more Jesus" I'm gonna scream. How about some actual, actionable solutions?

The mental health situation should be a
bipartisan thing and an area where both parties can agree to and make progress. The weapon of choice could be a gun, knife, airplane, car etc. Unfortunately, i don't have a lot of faith in political "leaders" to change anything positively
 

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bipartisan thing and an area where both parties can agree to and make progress. The weapon of destruction could be a gun, a knife, a airplane, a car etc. Unfortunately, i don't have much faith in many political "leaders" to change anything positively
It’s never going to happen with both parties (largely but not exclusively the GOP) basing their entire existence on opposing anything the other proposes as a matter of principle.
 
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I know what I said. The "this" in that quote was referring to obama's words being political. My whole post was about what obama said. Why else would I put his quote there for you to comment on?
Man….I’m really started to be concerned for your well being. Are you okay? Feels like you are bottling a lot of stuff up…and some how that spilled over into trying to pick a fight with me that is simply not there.

edit…it just dawned on me that it’s possible you are just hitting the bottle a little too hard tonight. Might be time to call it a night
 
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Allornothing

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How about a law that requires you to be 21 before you can purchase and a longer wait period? Not a law per se, but I personally would like to see guns priced so that they would be out of range of a teenager's budget.
This may be the most cogent thing you have ever said, but I will ask you this....what will an age limit do?

I was given a .22 Magnum handgun (and many rounds of ammo) when I was around 10 years old. Until this day (I'm over 50), it has never shot or killed anyone. I was taught respect of a gun from the day, that I was able to comprehend it.

An age limit will do nothing. Gun control will do nothing.

If someone wants to get a gun and do bad things, you think some law made in Washington will stop them?

If you say yes, then you're dumber than I already think you are.
 

TigerGrowls

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The breakdown of the nuclear family, the erosion of traditional family values, the drugs, and even social media are contributing to this problem. Gun control is absolutely not the answer. We do need to start defending these schools with armed deputies at all times. We need to start identifying the people with mental issues quicker and more efficiently. Most of these shooters have advertised what they were going to do beforehand.

They send billions overseas but will not staff our schools with deputies?
 

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The fact that this upsets you might be a point worth examining…

But, before that he also said this…


I see no valid reason to mention George Floyd in any public statement regarding 19 innocent children and teachers who were tragically killed. The two things have nothing to do with each other, it's political theater. You know that you just choose to ignore it.
 
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I see no valid reason to mention George Floyd in any public statement regarding 19 innocent children and teachers who were tragically killed. The two things have nothing to do with each other, it's political theater. You know that you just choose to ignore it.
So he should have not included the “as we grieve the children…” in his tweet about a completely unrelated but also tragic event in our nation’s history?

If you read the entire thread you’ll see that the tweet that angered you so was about a new campaign to create a pledge, in partnership with My Brothers Keeper, for civic leaders to make about policing. This is something that was going to be announced on the anniversary of Floyd’s death and had been planned for some time. Not spur of the moment to piggy back on the events in Tx as many have claimed.

You can call it politics because that makes it a lot easier to be on the opposite side of….but it sure smells a lot more like civil rights to me. But I’m not black so I don’t really have the best perspective here either.
 

Kelbo

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So you want more laws that won’t do anything to help the problem, and you want the government to be able to control prices? Just move to Venezuela
Were you a good decision maker at 18 years old? A 3 day waiting period would hurt nothing, and I own an arsenal, ARs included.

No, I don’t want the government controlling the prices of guns. To @dpic73 ‘s credit, he didn’t say that either.
 

Kelbo

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The breakdown of the nuclear family, the erosion of traditional family values, the drugs, and even social media are contributing to this problem. Gun control is absolutely not the answer. We do need to start defending these schools with armed deputies at all times. We need to start identifying the people with mental issues quicker and more efficiently. Most of these shooters have advertised what they were going to do beforehand.

They send billions overseas but will not staff our schools with deputies?
Bingo.
 

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So he should have not included the “as we grieve the children…” in his tweet about a completely unrelated but also tragic event in our nation’s history?

If you read the entire thread you’ll see that the tweet that angered you so was about a new campaign to create a pledge, in partnership with My Brothers Keeper, for civic leaders to make about policing. This is something that was going to be announced on the anniversary of Floyd’s death and had been planned for some time. Not spur of the moment to piggy back on the events in Tx as many have claimed.

You can call it politics because that makes it a lot easier to be on the opposite side of….but it sure smells a lot more like civil rights to me. But I’m not black so I don’t really have the best perspective here either.
He's stirring the pot before elections. No other reason to mention him in that tweet.

Also, Obama started my brothers keeper so he's essentially using a tragedy to shine light on his own org. Better time and place to announce it.

Not sure what civil rights have to do with 19 innocent people getting killed but I'll await your response which I'm sure is coming.
 
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I see no valid reason to mention George Floyd in any public statement regarding 19 innocent children and teachers who were tragically killed. The two things have nothing to do with each other, it's political theater. You know that you just choose to ignore it.
Truth
 

Kelbo

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He's stirring the pot before elections. No other reason to mention him in that tweet.

Also, Obama started my brothers keeper so he's essentially using a tragedy to shine light on his own org. Better time and place to announce it.

Not sure what civil rights have to do with 19 innocent people getting killed but I'll await your response which I'm sure is coming.
The first sentence could not be more accurate.
 
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He's stirring the pot before elections. No other reason to mention him in that tweet.

Also, Obama started my brothers keeper so he's essentially using a tragedy to shine light on his own org. Better time and place to announce it.

Not sure what civil rights have to do with 19 innocent people getting killed but I'll await your response which I'm sure is coming.
Again…2 year anniversary of Floyd’s death announcement had been planned for quite a while. Civil rights have everything to do with what he’s fighting for, but again….for many it’s a lot easier on the conscience to hate someone for their politics than for their fight for equal rights.
 
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Again…2 year anniversary of Floyd’s death announcement had been planned for quite a while. Civil rights have everything to do with what he’s fighting for, but again….for many it’s a lot easier on the conscience to hate someone for their politics than for their fight for equal rights.
One can believe in equal rights, feel for George Floyd’s family, believe the police officer who killed him was a terrible human…. And still see that Obama is attempting to rile everyone up, pre election. It’s not difficult to see.
 

dpic73

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This may be the most cogent thing you have ever said, but I will ask you this....what will an age limit do?

I was given a .22 Magnum handgun (and many rounds of ammo) when I was around 10 years old. Until this day (I'm over 50), it has never shot or killed anyone. I was taught respect of a gun from the day, that I was able to comprehend it.

An age limit will do nothing. Gun control will do nothing.

If someone wants to get a gun and do bad things, you think some law made in Washington will stop them?

If you say yes, then you're dumber than I already think you are.
Well aren't you just a little ray of pitch black.

Your anecdotal evidence means nothing as I highly doubt it's normal for most 10 year olds to receive guns as gifts. The shooter waited until the day after he turned 18 to buy two AR15s, so how can you know that a law that required him to wait until he was 21 wouldn't have helped? Or a law that prevented the average citizen from buying an AR15?

If you believe that NOTHING would have helped it just means that you don't have the willingness to come up with creative solutions. This is the greatest country on earth in many regards, but not on this issue. We can and should do more.

We will never prevent all gun deaths but we can damn sure prevent some of them, if we care enough.
 
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One can believe in equal rights, feel for George Floyd’s family, believe the police officer who killed him was a terrible human…. And still see that Obama is attempting to rile everyone up, pre election. It’s not difficult to see.
I get that's what you want to see....you do you
 

nytigerfan

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I understand you disagree with me and that's fine. You have every right to feel however you choose. This is not a political problem. This is a cultural issue in our country. We don't need a more muscular government in a less muscular populace. We need people to be saying and we need to stop painting those we disagree with such horrible ways. We need to recognize the mental health of our society is at a catastrophically bad level. It was just forgotten because of the circumstances but please remember that someone decided to drive a car into a Christmas parade and kill a lot of people last year too. We are sick and until we face it these things will continue to happen.

These are some interesting stats to look at when discussing whether this is a gun issue or a mental health issue (and by the way, I think addressing both is important)...

Below is the rate of firearm homicides per 100,000 citizens. The US has more than the next SEVEN countries combined.



This data is older, but it shows the rate of depression by country. Notice that Australia is on par with the US in terms of depression rate...



Comparing us again to Australia...

Other countries have responded aggressively to their own gun problems with success. In Scotland, after a similar school shooting in 1996, lawmakers banned private ownership of handguns and automatic weapons. There haven’t been any school shootings since. And in dealing with its own gun violence problems in the 1990s, Australia took and destroyed roughly 650,000 guns from private citizens as part of a buyback program. Rates of gun homicides and suicides plummeted.


States with looser gun laws consistently see more gun violence, despite mental health issues being the same.




Mental health is an issue, no doubt. But guns are THE issue. I own three guns myself. I would gladly hand them over if it meant not one more child would be gunned down in a ******* school or anywhere else.

SOMETHING has to change.
 

scotchtiger

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These are some interesting stats to look at when discussing whether this is a gun issue or a mental health issue (and by the way, I think addressing both is important)...

Below is the rate of firearm homicides per 100,000 citizens. The US has more than the next SEVEN countries combined.



This data is older, but it shows the rate of depression by country. Notice that Australia is on par with the US in terms of depression rate...



Comparing us again to Australia...

Other countries have responded aggressively to their own gun problems with success. In Scotland, after a similar school shooting in 1996, lawmakers banned private ownership of handguns and automatic weapons. There haven’t been any school shootings since. And in dealing with its own gun violence problems in the 1990s, Australia took and destroyed roughly 650,000 guns from private citizens as part of a buyback program. Rates of gun homicides and suicides plummeted.


States with looser gun laws consistently see more gun violence, despite mental health issues being the same.




Mental health is an issue, no doubt. But guns are THE issue. I own three guns myself. I would gladly hand them over if it meant not one more child would be gunned down in a ****ing school or anywhere else.

SOMETHING has to change.

The majority of firearm homicides aren’t related to mental health. The vast majority are gang related, drug related, and just general POS criminals.

Mental health is the culprit in these school shootings, but that’s not going to show in broad statistics like what you are providing.

I’m open to solutions, but I just don’t really see the correlation in those numbers. I see the US having a higher prevalence of gang and drug violence related to other countries. I don’t think guns cause that. They are just a tool used by these lowlifes or people who have been subjected to this rotten gang/drug culture.
 

iceheart08

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The majority of firearm homicides aren’t related to mental health. The vast majority are gang related, drug related, and just general POS criminals.

Mental health is the culprit in these school shootings, but that’s not going to show in broad statistics like what you are providing.

I’m open to solutions, but I just don’t really see the correlation in those numbers. I see the US having a higher prevalence of gang and drug violence related to other countries. I don’t think guns cause that. They are just a tool used by these lowlifes or people who have been subjected to this rotten gang/drug culture.

The majority of deaths from firearms are from suicide. I see you are specifically talking about homicides, but you aren't seeing the whole picture if you ignore that the majority of gun deaths are from suicide.
 
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dpic73

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The majority of firearm homicides aren’t related to mental health. The vast majority are gang related, drug related, and just general POS criminals.

Mental health is the culprit in these school shootings, but that’s not going to show in broad statistics like what you are providing.

I’m open to solutions, but I just don’t really see the correlation in those numbers. I see the US having a higher prevalence of gang and drug violence related to other countries. I don’t think guns cause that. They are just a tool used by these lowlifes or people who have been subjected to this rotten gang/drug culture.
How about the comparison of school shootings only to other countries?

 
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The majority of firearm homicides aren’t related to mental health. The vast majority are gang related, drug related, and just general POS criminals.

Mental health is the culprit in these school shootings, but that’s not going to show in broad statistics like what you are providing.

I’m open to solutions, but I just don’t really see the correlation in those numbers. I see the US having a higher prevalence of gang and drug violence related to other countries. I don’t think guns cause that. They are just a tool used by these lowlifes or people who have been subjected to this rotten gang/drug culture.
i think everyone agrees that mental health is a major factor in school shootings, but one party seems to go out of their way to cut mental health funding at every opportunity. hell, abbott cut ~$230mil back in April for his stupid border patrol project that would have been mental health funding (HHSC and SHS.)