This is why Trump's victory is so important

[WVPATX]

9th Circuit rules in favor of a 10 day waiting period before buying a gun.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/15/1...un-purchases-upheld-by-federal-appeals-court/

With a Trump originalist on the court, SCOTUS will overturn this decision. It's a ridiculous law. We already have immediate background checks, why wait 10 more days?

Suppose a woman is being stalked or threatened by someone. The police can't be there all the time. And if the woman lives in the country, it will take a long time for police to arrive on the scene. This court has now denied this woman her rights granted under the Second Amendment to defend herself in the best way she sees fit.

 

[Mntneer]

9th Circuit rules in favor of a 10 day waiting period before buying a gun.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/15/1...un-purchases-upheld-by-federal-appeals-court/

With a Trump originalist on the court, SCOTUS will overturn this decision. It's a ridiculous law. We already have immediate background checks, why wait 10 more days?

Suppose a woman is being stalked or threatened by someone. The police can't be there all the time. And if the woman lives in the country, it will take a long time for police to arrive on the scene. This court has now denied this woman her rights granted under the Second Amendment to defend herself in the best way she sees fit.

It's my hope we see some real changes in the the gun laws. National conceal reciprocity, end of the $200 stamp for SBR's and Silencers, reform of the NICS, strong attempts to prosecute straw buyers, etc.

Had Hillary won we would have had a generational change on the courts that would have slowly dismantled gun rights.

 

[WVPATX]

It's my hope we see some real changes in the the gun laws. National conceal reciprocity, end of the $200 stamp for SBR's and Silencers, reform of the NICS, strong attempts to prosecute straw buyers, etc.

Had Hillary won we would have had a generational change on the courts that would have slowly dismantled gun rights.

Here are some steps, real steps, that can and will greatly reduce gun violence:

1. Any felon found with an illegal gun, goes to jail, mandatory sentence. It will cost money, but lives are more important than money. 4,000 shootings in Chicago alone this year.

2. Straw purchasers get mandatory jail time.

3. High velocity policing in high crime neighborhoods. Use probable cause extensively to search potential criminals. If guns are found and they are felons, mandatory sentences. This will be challenged in court. Take it to SCOTUS and decide once and for all if this is Constitutional. SCOTUS must decide. Lives are on the line.

4. Any felon caught trying to buy a weapon, mandatory jail time.

5. Any transportation of illegal weapons, mandatory jail time.

Go after the criminals with severe punishment. We already have enough gun law for the law abiding citizen.

 

[roadtrasheer]

Didn't Bill Clinton do the 3 strikes ( I like ) & now Obama is letting criminals back out ...drug dealers & such

 

[Boomboom521]

Here are some steps, real steps, that can and will greatly reduce gun violence:

1. Any felon found with an illegal gun, goes to jail, mandatory sentence. It will cost money, but lives are more important than money. 4,000 shootings in Chicago alone this year.

2. Straw purchasers get mandatory jail time.

3. High velocity policing in high crime neighborhoods. Use probable cause extensively to search potential criminals. If guns are found and they are felons, mandatory sentences. This will be challenged in court. Take it to SCOTUS and decide once and for all if this is Constitutional. SCOTUS must decide. Lives are on the line.

4. Any felon caught trying to buy a weapon, mandatory jail time.

5. Any transportation of illegal weapons, mandatory jail time.

Go after the criminals with severe punishment. We already have enough gun law for the law abiding citizen.

A lot of felons used guns in those crimes didn't they?

 

[Boomboom521]

9th Circuit rules in favor of a 10 day waiting period before buying a gun.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/15/1...un-purchases-upheld-by-federal-appeals-court/

With a Trump originalist on the court, SCOTUS will overturn this decision. It's a ridiculous law. We already have immediate background checks, why wait 10 more days?

Suppose a woman is being stalked or threatened by someone. The police can't be there all the time. And if the woman lives in the country, it will take a long time for police to arrive on the scene. This court has now denied this woman her rights granted under the Second Amendment to defend herself in the best way she sees fit.

Why are gun owners so scared about gun restrictions? I would love to see it licensed strictly. Handling a gun is serious stuff, we can all agree on that right? Can't we establish thorough licensing procedures to ensure that gun owners understand and practice proper safety? Twice this year, I've already been affected by this:
I'm talking to my neighbor in his garage having a beer, and his wife comes out and tells me to tell him that he shouldn't have his loaded shotgun in his 4year old boy's closet. "It's up high" was his response. Now I'm sure that a tragic event will never happen, but I'm not letting my 4 year old play over there anytime soon.

Attending my 4 yrbold daughters best friends birthday party, I noticed my daughter and her friend went down the stairs into the house basement. I followed shortly after. Several of the kids were playing with a dollhouse in the corner, and several of the fathers were examining one of their new hunting rifles over the pool table. Unloaded, I'm sure. But it put me in the place where I'm now trusting the judgement of people I don't know.

Now, both of these guns are not guns I think should be banned, and if an average citizen wants to possess a shotgun for safety or a rifle for hunting they should be free to do so. However, the amount of gun accidents in the home are staggering, and even though before I wasn't concerned greatly I now see it's something I must at least think about.

 

[roadtrasheer]

A lot of felons used guns in those crimes didn't they?

Don't know how many, but a death is a death & dealing drugs kills , & I'm not talking about the little home town pot providers.

 

[Mntneer]

Why are gun owners so scared about gun restrictions? I would love to see it licensed strictly. Handling a gun is serious stuff, we can all agree on that right? Can't we establish thorough licensing procedures to ensure that gun owners understand and practice proper safety? Twice this year, I've already been affected by this:
I'm talking to my neighbor in his garage having a beer, and his wife comes out and tells me to tell him that he shouldn't have his loaded shotgun in his 4year old boy's closet. "It's up high" was his response. Now I'm sure that a tragic event will never happen, but I'm not letting my 4 year old play over there anytime soon.

Attending my 4 yrbold daughters best friends birthday party, I noticed my daughter and her friend went down the stairs into the house basement. I followed shortly after. Several of the kids were playing with a dollhouse in the corner, and several of the fathers were examining one of their new hunting rifles over the pool table. Unloaded, I'm sure. But it put me in the place where I'm now trusting the judgement of people I don't know.

Now, both of these guns are not guns I think should be banned, and if an average citizen wants to possess a shotgun for safety or a rifle for hunting they should be free to do so. However, the amount of gun accidents in the home are staggering, and even though before I wasn't concerned greatly I now see it's something I must at least think about.

Those 2 cases are examples of careless neglect, but I shouldn't be punished by the actions of others. I shouldn't feel like a criminal if I want to drive from Martinsburg to Morgantown with my concealed handgun, and have to pass through Maryland to do so. Or worry about an empty shell casing in the trunk of my car when traveling into DC.

 

[Boomboom521]

Those 2 cases are examples of careless neglect, but I shouldn't be punished by the actions of others. I shouldn't feel like a criminal if I want to drive from Martinsburg to Morgantown with my concealed handgun, and have to pass through Maryland to do so. Or worry about an empty shell casing in the trunk of my car when traveling into DC.

How serious was the licensing for your conceal permit?

 

[Mntneer]

How serious was the licensing for your conceal permit?

Serious enough that it's accepted in more states around the country than not. I don't necessarily believe we should be forced to take tests to exercise our constitutional rights, but I have no problem with showing an ID and having a background check done.

 

[Boomboom521]

Serious enough that it's accepted in more states around the country than not. I don't necessarily believe we should be forced to take tests to exercise our constitutional rights, but I have no problem with showing an ID and having a background check done.

You pass a test to drive a car. Or attend the 12th grade.

 

[roadtrasheer]

I think an 8hr test should be mandatory, it helped me understand laws & it showed me that I had a lot to learn about self defense with a concealed pistol.
After my class I enrolled in a self defense class & it was worth the 600.00...every little penny

 

[Boomboom521]

I think an 8hr test should be mandatory, it helped me understand laws & it showed me that I had a lot to learn about self defense with a concealed pistol.
After my class I enrolled in a self defense class & it was worth the 600.00...every little penny

Totally makes sense to me. It's a deadly weapon, should always be treated with enormous respect!

 

[Mntneer]

You pass a test to drive a car. Or attend the 12th grade.

Driving's not a right. Not a good analogy.

 

[Boomboom521]

Driving's not a right. Not a good analogy.

Ok ok. You have to pass a test to vote. Providing ID, proof of residence. It's your right to practice medicine or the law. It's your right to be ordained as of the catholic faith.

My initial point was: why does it matter to you? You have a brain. You can study, understand regulations and procedures, then prove that understanding to an official.

 

[Mntneer]

Ok ok. You have to pass a test to vote. Providing ID, proof of residence. It's your right to practice medicine or the law. It's your right to be ordained as of the catholic faith.

My initial point was: why does it matter to you? You have a brain. You can study, understand regulations and procedures, then prove that understanding to an official.

No other right requires us to take a test. Not voting, not freedom of speech, not going to church, etc.

When it comes to the legality of when, where to carry, etc., I do believe that people should have a solid understanding of the laws before ever carrying a firearm.

 

[Boomboom521]

No other right requires us to take a test. Not voting, not freedom of speech, not going to church, etc.

When it comes to the legality of when, where to carry, etc., I do believe that people should have a solid understanding of the laws before ever carrying a firearm.

That's all licensing does. It ensures the knowledge of those laws.

 

[WVPATX]

That's all licensing does. It ensures the knowledge of those laws.

What did you think of the ideas I proposed at the beginning of this thread? 4,000 shootings in Chicago thus far this year alone.

 

[Boomboom521]

What did you think of the ideas I proposed at the beginning of this thread? 4,000 shootings in Chicago thus far this year alone.

I liked point 1. Point 2 I don't know what a straw purchase is (imagine it has something to do with fraud?) if so, I'm all for it. Point 3 is a no. "Potential criminals" sounds like potential racial profiling to me

 

[Boomboom521]

No other right requires us to take a test. Not voting, not freedom of speech, not going to church, etc.

When it comes to the legality of when, where to carry, etc., I do believe that people should have a solid understanding of the laws before ever carrying a firearm.

What gets me with gun rights activists that spout the constitution is how very literally they take a portion of that admandment, but only if it makes sense to them. Would you be ok with a person or group of people purchasing an air defense system? Isn't that "arms" as outlined by the constitution?

 

[WVPATX]

I liked point 1. Point 2 I don't know what a straw purchase is (imagine it has something to do with fraud?) if so, I'm all for it. Point 3 is a no. "Potential criminals" sounds like potential racial profiling to me

A straw purchaser buys guns on someone else's behalf. Usually the straw purchaser can buy guns legally but they buy these guns for someone that is not legally able to buy guns.

As for racial profiling, I disagree. Cops, to stop killings, need to go to where the crimes are being committed. That is NOT mid-town Manhattan. It is in the Bronx or Harlem or Brooklyn. That is not racial profiling. It is going to where the crimes are being committed.

I am in favor of stop and frisk. SCOTUS has not ruled on this yet. I think it can be done legally and with SCOTUS approval. Perhaps some small changes will be required, but it will save lives, lots of lives.

 

[atlkvb]

Didn't Bill Clinton do the 3 strikes ( I like ) & now Obama is letting criminals back out ...drug dealers & such

Yes, in fact he's commuted more sentences so for so called "non violent" offenders than any other President in U.S. history.

 

[Boomboom521]

A straw purchaser buys guns on someone else's behalf. Usually the straw purchaser can buy guns legally but they buy these guns for someone that is not legally able to buy guns.

As for racial profiling, I disagree. Cops, to stop killings, need to go to where the crimes are being committed. That is NOT mid-town Manhattan. It is in the Bronx or Harlem or Brooklyn. That is not racial profiling. It is going to where the crimes are being committed.

I am in favor of stop and frisk. SCOTUS has not ruled on this yet. I think it can be done legally and with SCOTUS approval. Perhaps some small changes will be required, but it will save lives, lots of lives.

It's illegal search as denied by the constitution, what constitutes probable cause is where there is even a debate.

 

[WVPATX]

It's illegal search as denied by the constitution, what constitutes probable cause is where there is even a debate.

The key is what SCOTUS defines as an illegal stop and search. They have not yet ruled on the NYC program, for example. de Blasio simply stopped the program after a lower court ruling.

I think any effort in this area that passes Constitutional muster should be employed in these high crime areas. Takes lots of illegal guns and criminals off the streets making life much safer for the residents.

 

[atlkvb]

The key is what SCOTUS defines as an illegal stop and search. They have not yet ruled on the NYC program, for example. de Blasio simply stopped the program after a lower court ruling.

I think any effort in this area that passes Constitutional muster should be employed in these high crime areas. Takes lots of illegal guns and criminals off the streets making life much safer for the residents.

You know WVPATX I'm of the opinion that everyone ought to be packing heat.

The criminals to me are much more brazen and bold when they know their victims aren't armed. Notice they never fool around near gun shops, or rob folks attending hunting & gun clubs, or even people out hunting?

Ever hear of Deer hunters getting jacked? Nope. Wonder why?

I think like driver's licenses, everyone ought to be licensed to carry, learn how to safely shoot, service, and store a loaded weapon. The more punk *** criminals know we are armed to the teeth to shoot back at them, the less anxious they will be get their own dumb asses shot off.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a Gun, is a good guy with a Gun.

They'd better not come into my humble abode here in South Gwinnett County Georgia...I keep my Ruger P94 .40 caliber semi-automatic cocked and loaded!

 

[WVPATX]

You know WVPATX I'm of the opinion that everyone ought to be packing heat.

The criminals to me are much more brazen and bold when they know their victims aren't armed. Notice they never fool around near gun shops, or rob folks attending hunting & gun clubs, or even people out hunting?

Ever hear of Deer hunters getting jacked? Nope. Wonder why?

I think like driver's licenses, everyone ought to be licensed to carry, learn how to safely shoot, service, and store a loaded weapon. The more punk *** criminals know we are armed to the teeth to shoot back at them, the less anxious they will be get their own dumb asses shot off.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a Gun, is a good guy with a Gun.

They'd better not come into my humble abode here in South Gwinnett County Georgia...I keep my Ruger P94 .40 caliber semi-automatic pistol cocked and loaded!

I am not against gun ownership or open carry. I believe every law abiding American has the Constitutional right to own a gun to use as they see fit. I believe that criminals are not going to observe any gun laws we create. There are over 350,000,000 guns in this country, To think laws are going to stop criminals from obtaining guns is insane.

I do believe the focus should be on the criminal. Felons lost their right to own a weapon. If they are caught with one, mandatory jail time. Same with straw purchasers. I believe in stop and frisk to the extent it can be done with SCOTUS approval. It keeps felons from having guns on the streets and saves lives.

 

[roadtrasheer]

I taught my baby girl ( now 161/2) how to load & shoot all my guns, she hated it , I told her rapist don't rape girls with a loaded gun

 

[atlkvb]

the focus should be on the criminal. Felons lost their right to own a weapon. If they are caught with one, mandatory jail time.

100% agreement. No need for more gun restrictions. Enforce Laws already on the books.

Lock up the Lawbreakers.

 

[atlkvb]

I taught my baby girl ( now 161/2) how to load & shoot all my guns, she hated it , I told her rapist don't rape girls with a loaded gun

Good for you...and her!

(A good swift kick in the guy's Family jewels is also an effective substitute)

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

9th Circuit rules in favor of a 10 day waiting period before buying a gun.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/15/1...un-purchases-upheld-by-federal-appeals-court/

With a Trump originalist on the court, SCOTUS will overturn this decision. It's a ridiculous law. We already have immediate background checks, why wait 10 more days?

Suppose a woman is being stalked or threatened by someone. The police can't be there all the time. And if the woman lives in the country, it will take a long time for police to arrive on the scene. This court has now denied this woman her rights granted under the Second Amendment to defend herself in the best way she sees fit.

I bet you're a hoot to have as a friend on Facebook.

 

[roadtrasheer]

Good for you...and her!

(A good swift kick in the guy's Family jewels is also an effective substitute)

That's will work but a 9 hollow point to the nutzoo will make them hurt a lot longer

 

[WVPATX]

I bet you're a hoot to have as a friend on Facebook.

Not really sure what you mean

 

[Boomboom521]

You know WVPATX I'm of the opinion that everyone ought to be packing heat.

The criminals to me are much more brazen and bold when they know their victims aren't armed. Notice they never fool around near gun shops, or rob folks attending hunting & gun clubs, or even people out hunting?

Ever hear of Deer hunters getting jacked? Nope. Wonder why?

I think like driver's licenses, everyone ought to be licensed to carry, learn how to safely shoot, service, and store a loaded weapon. The more punk *** criminals know we are armed to the teeth to shoot back at them, the less anxious they will be get their own dumb asses shot off.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a Gun, is a good guy with a Gun.

They'd better not come into my humble abode here in South Gwinnett County Georgia...I keep my Ruger P94 .40 caliber semi-automatic cocked and loaded!

Are you saying everyone should be walking down the street with visible sidearms?

 

[Boomboom521]

http://everytownresearch.org/reports/innocents_lost/

 

[atlkvb]

Are you saying everyone should be walking down the street with visible sidearms?

Not necessarily visible, but on them. If a mugger sees a heater on 'ya and still wants to challenge you, make his day and tell him "say hello to my little friend".... Booooom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Boomboom521]

Not necessarily visible, but on them. If a mugger sees a heater on 'ya and still wants to challenge you, make his day and tell him "say hello to my little friend".... Booooom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like the Wild West. I think there was a lot of gun deaths back then too

 

[PriddyBoy]

Driving's not a right. Not a good analogy.

I somewhat disagree. So often it is said "driving is not a right, it's a privilege." Just because I've heard it a million times doesn't necessarily make it true. As long as certain criteria are met and driving is then done in obedience of the the law, I see it as a right to legally travel, such as walking, running, or travelling by horseback. This is probably where someone shows me it's federally codified as a privilege. HaHa.

 

[Boomboom521]

I somewhat disagree. So often it is said "driving is not a right, it's a privilege." Just because I've heard it a million times doesn't necessarily make it true. As long as certain criteria are met and driving is then done in obedience of the the law, I see it as a right to legally travel, such as walking, running, or travelling by horseback. This is probably where someone shows me it's federally codified as a privilege. HaHa.

I agree. Driving is a form of transportation. Guns are a form of protection or hunting or recreation.

 

[atlkvb]

Sounds like the Wild West. I think there was a lot of gun deaths back then too

There is a town here in Georgia near where I live Boomboom521 called Kennesaw ....more than two decades ago ago they went to a mandatory gun ownership ordinance primarily to reduce an alarming trend in the sleepy town of increased crime rates.

Since that ordinance was passed, crime in Kennesaw dropped to rates far lower than similar cities of it's size and has remained low.

Kennesaw gun Law leads to long time drop in overall crime rates.
http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41196/

 

[WVPATX]

I somewhat disagree. So often it is said "driving is not a right, it's a privilege." Just because I've heard it a million times doesn't necessarily make it true. As long as certain criteria are met and driving is then done in obedience of the the law, I see it as a right to legally travel, such as walking, running, or travelling by horseback. This is probably where someone shows me it's federally codified as a privilege. HaHa.

There is a difference between a constitutionally protected right included in our bill of rights and one that is enacted through legislation. Legislation can be changed. The constitution, to be changed must be amended, a much higher standard. And much, much more difficult than simply changing a law.