This is from a January 29th article on Rivals...

[dawgstudent]

The narrative keeps changing.

https://olemiss.n.rivals.com/news/sources-nothing-new-in-ncaa-probe-of-ole-miss-athletics

However, an Ole Miss source speaking on the condition of anonymity said most of the allegations are tied to NCAA probes into the Rebels' women's basketball program and the track and field program. A "very minimal number" of allegations are tied to the current football staff, and those are related to former Ole Miss offensive tackle Laremy Tunsil.

Privately, Ole Miss sources have said they've known a notice of allegations was coming for more than a year. SBNation.com's Steven Godfrey wrote Friday only five of the 32 allegations are football-related, adding that Ole Miss coaches are "confident" allegations related to the current staff are secondary violations. An NCAA source told SBNation.com the "vast majority" of the football allegations are more than two years old.

 

[WutheringDawg]

I feel like all I heard was - 5 violations three of which happened under Nutt and two of which are secondary. Both on the radio and online. That was a tightly drawn party line.


Whistling past the graveyard.**

 

[coach66]

They are working hard to control this thing which is why they are furious with

Steve. I think the most telling thing I've seen is that the investigation is ongoing which is what I needed to hear. If no Scarborough yet then I don't think they are finished.

 

[Daddy Rabbit Dawg]

They keep saying the allegations are related to Tunsil and they are secondary. I don't get that. I would think loaning cars, buying plane tickets and signing promissory notes would be considered major violations.

 

[coach66]

I assume Cannon will be declared a booster and if so I agree. There is no

Telling what is there that can't be proved, yet.

 

[Elmer]

Here' a quick time line recap (as per Ole Miss fans)

1. There is no investigation.
2. OK, there's an investigation, but the NCAA can't find anything.
3. Well, they found some stuff, but it's all women's basketball and track.
4. OK, OK. They found only 4 football related violations. They are all minor and happened under the Nutt era.
5. Still haven't gotten a letter.
6. We got a letter.
7. Bjork says it's cool. Nothing in the letter surprised us (i.e., we already knew we cheated).
8. Let's see, there were 13 of the 28 violations related to football. Told you most of them (15 of 28 is "most") were related to women's basketball and track.
9. I read an ESPN article about it and it doesn't seem too bad.
10. ??

 

[tatedog]

#7 for the win.

Somewhere in there you do need "Those NCAA guys spent 3 years of the taxpayer money in Awxfurd and that's all they could come up with??!!"

 

[mcdawg22]

1. There is no investigation.
2. OK, there's an investigation, but the NCAA can't find anything.
3. Well, they found some stuff, but it's all women's basketball and track.
4. OK, OK. They found only 4 football related violations. They are all minor and happened under the Nutt era.
5. Still haven't gotten a letter.
6. We got a letter.
7. Bjork says it's cool. Nothing in the letter surprised us (i.e., we already knew we cheated).
8. Let's see, there were 13 of the 28 violations related to football. Told you most of them (15 of 28 were related to women's basketball and track.
9. I read an ESPN article about it and it doesn't seem too bad.
10. ??

^^^That is extremely accurate.

 

[Shmuley]

Scarborough and Treadwell. That's two more shoes what ain't dropped yet.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I believe them

The allegations against football are very minimal, compared to what all was done.

 

[missouridawg]

1. There is no investigation.
2. OK, there's an investigation, but the NCAA can't find anything.
3. Well, they found some stuff, but it's all women's basketball and track.
4. OK, OK. They found only 4 football related violations. They are all minor and happened under the Nutt era.
5. Still haven't gotten a letter.
6. We got a letter.
7. Bjork says it's cool. Nothing in the letter surprised us (i.e., we already knew we cheated).
8. Let's see, there were 13 of the 28 violations related to football. Told you most of them (15 of 28 is "most") were related to women's basketball and track.
9. I read an ESPN article about it and it doesn't seem too bad.
10. ??

Somewhere along the line, this stuff was good news to OM fans. How they bought that line of thinking is beyond me.

 

[AlCoDog]

Nailed it

 

[patdog]

I think the VERY good news for UM is no Lack of Institutional Control.

 

[HD6]

Where are you seeing that?

 

[Dawgzilla]

Not "secondary" but Level II. There is now a four-tiered categorization of violations with Level I being the worst, and Level IV being marginal. It makes about as much sense as the NSA's Terror Threat Level chart.

 

[BossDawg78]

I think the VERY good news for UM is no Lack of Institutional Control.

......yet.

 

[patdog]

It's in the ESPN article. Nothing official until we see the actual letter. I suspect the statements that were "leaked" yesterday are just like Bjork's statement a week or so ago. i.e., very carefully worded to mislead, but without saying anything that is literally untruthful. I will be very pleasantly surprised if LOIC is in the letter.

 

[msstate7]

When usc got lack of institutional control was it mentioned in the NOA or is it just in the final report? I have no idea

 

[KurtRambis4]

That is about as

accurate as you can get, with their reactions.

 

[Shmuley]

If LOIC is avoided, it will be because Birmingham has directly intervened to protect them from being crippled. I could see that happening.

 

[00Dawg]

Looks like the original NOA was never released since USC is a private school.
However, it was in their response, so it had to have been in the original notice.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/626612/USCs2009ResponsetoNCAA.pdf

 

[Crazy Cotton]

so your saying a public institution is obliged to release the document to the citizens who own said institution? That's crazy talk.

 

[tatedog]

It's going to upset a lot of folks to learn that Ole Miss is in fact a public institution.

 

[Dawgzilla]

No, the ESPN article says they avoided a "Failure to Monitor" charge. "Failure to Monitor" is not the same as "Lack of Institutional Control". "Failure to Monitor" came about in the Reggie Bush investigation, where the NCAA decided that USC should have kept a closer eye on Bush because he was a high profile athlete, so they were not willing to accept USC's claims that they had no idea he was living in a lush apartment, etc. etc. So, according to ESPN, UMiss did not get hit with a "failure to monitor" charge in the Tunsil case.

Lack of Institutional Control is completely different, and far more serious. It focuses on having the proper officials in charge of compliance. A school can have boosters giving out money left and right, but as long as the school is working to stop those actions and properly reprimands the booster and the athletes, then Lack of Institutional Control probably won't be asserted.

It is currently impossible to guess if UMiss will get hit with LOIC. Seems like having three sports involved clearly indicates lack of control, but getting rid of the coaches and then cooperating with the NCAA may mitigate against LOIC.

 

[patdog]

Good point. The article leads you to the assumption that if they didn't get Failure to Monitor, they also didn't get the more serious version of that same finding, LOIC. But you are right that it doesn't specifically say LOIC isn't included in the letter. Just like, "many of the violations date back to the prior staff, and the Tunsil stuff is included in the letter" was meant to lead you to the assumption this is mostly about old stuff, when really 9 out of 13 violations are on the current staff.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

No, the ESPN article says they avoided a "Failure to Monitor" charge. .....So, according to ESPN, UMiss did not get hit with a "failure to monitor" charge in the Tunsil case..

Which blows my mind. How does Tunsil show up day after day in a new vehicle and not one single coach asks. "Hey lar! Where u get the new wheels?" Seems if you have a player (probably players) driving around in booster's vehicles, that is textbook Failure to Monitor.

 

[Shamoan]

THEY keep saying....THEY. THEY have been proven full of ****, so why does anybody care what THEY say? its part of their ******** narrative that we all know is, well, ********. their program can do no wrong, their coach doesnt lie to recruits, they arent cheaters, their ad is professional, they are minor allegations, etc, etc.

guess what....THEY are all protecting their ****-stained shield. who gives a 17 what they try to push next. rosebowl is a lot more credible than the collective they at this point...let that sink in.

 

[Shamoan]

4.5 Many = 4 as in, "Many of the allegations occurred under the previous coach"

 

[Philly Dawg]

I'm sure his car fit right in at the practice field lot making it hard for the coaches to notice.