So we can “retain” players that aren’t good?
But once they are good, we won’t be able to retain them the following year?
That’s exactly what people are saying and why your plan is wrong.
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So we can “retain” players that aren’t good?
But once they are good, we won’t be able to retain them the following year?
That’s exactly what people are saying and why your plan is wrong.
2 years to what? I hope you don’t mean NCAA Tournament, because if that’s the case, people will have to pony up next year. At our current level of NIL support, it just isn’t going to happen.
We can retain players who are developing. Once players get “good” they will likely go somewhere else for a bigger payday. 3 consecutive years of players leaving, Spencer, Omoruyi, and Somerville.
If people want to change that, they have to pony up. We’re essentially the farm team for better programs. What’s the alternative, not get players who can develop?
Focus on undervalued players who are ready to contribute immediately and have them “blow up” here.
Exactly what happened with Cam Spencer and Somerville (blow up for him is being generous).
Want to “develop” some freshman and “retain”?? Sure.
But the moment they are good the “retention cost” will be the same as bringing in a transfer of the same talent level.
So they’ve been taking up roster spots not doing anything for years.
Well, RU isn't going to hold onto anyone that gets offered $2.5. Right now, Grant is a kid that shot 22% from three and played mediocre defense as a freshman. They hold onto guys as long as they can and hope their development leads year two to be better than year 1 in this instance. Yes, retention costs will increase, and $ will open up when people move on. You have to hope to find kids that love hoops and are happy making $500K a year to play in college with friends for multiple years.
Ok - but meanwhile the report is that we’re targeting 2 players in Buchanan and Francis who no team would pay more than $500K combined to (mostly to Buchanan). Let’s say we’re paying $1.5 M (I’m over allocating by the way as Dortch isn’t going to cost much at all) to keep our 4 remaining players. There is no way the frosh are costing us $500K in total but let’s assume they are. That still only puts us at $2.5M. TKR just estimated we have close to $5M. So you tell me why we’d hypothetically, in this situation, with the 10 guys above penciled in for half of our budget shouldn’t be using the remaining $2.5 to bring in two 7 figure guys. Why can’t we afford any of them? The math on it doesn’t make sense.
Pike is not a competent coach. If he was, he would have jettisoned coaches after this past year.
See, blue blood kids all think they are worth more, whether they played or not, that's why they enter the portal.
It can be done, but it won't be easy and it won't be the norm. If you bring in under rated kids that can develop, maybe it takes a few years before they are ready to move on. Sadly, now, you definitely have to play freshman or they look to go too. Really wouldn't want to be a coach nowadays.
He's got 2 years to figure out how to change the perception of his program. Whether that means NCAAs or not, who knows.
This isn't a situation where he can take his time, he needs to start getting aggressive and taking action. His seat is warm for the fan base, and because of that his first year with the new AD will need to be a success or else his seat will get warm there as well.
He's making A LOT of money. Time to start showing why.
The NCAA *can't* make it the rule. That would almost certainly be held by the courts to be antitrust violation just like the NCAA's other restrictions on players. As I said above, the only answers are Congressional legislation or a collective bargaining agreement.
Yes If we all give up our lunch money problem solved. you do know that UConn has whales. No comparison.
I would expect us to use all our available budget. The 5M, which includes revshare, isn’t a thing until the case settles. What we can offer kids is what we’ve raised in NIL.
Sounds about right. But it could be that we haven’t heard any promising names yet because Pike doesn’t want to get into an early bidding war where he feels he’s overpaying. Maybe he thinks he’ll get better value closer to the summer when shopping in the 7 figure pool. I refuse to believe we’re not planning to go there at all with a $5M budget.
That doesn’t sound right. Any decent lawyer could draft a contract that states the amount is dependent on the rev sharing. We’re not the only school in this situation. Please. If it doesn’t go through and we can’t pay - clearly we’d be in trouble but that problem wouldn’t be unique to us.
Should adopt the bird rule: hard cap except can breach it to retain your drafted here recruited players. Calls for a gm but players spread out since signing 5 stars limits what money can be spent per college on other incoking transfer players. Good luck being Duke and getting 3 five stars every year with 2 5 stars already on roster unless overpay current 5 players with original signing numbers against the cap. Promotes more balance around the league. Or those that go over the cap pay a luxury tax that goes somewhere like baseball. Pro sports had to adopt it to maintain a competitive balance hence fanninterest in the leagues. We are in pro sports in college now. Adopt a model and move forward or only a few teams will remain and fan interest disappears. Would make sense which is why they won't do it. Pros make concessions on what they can earn a year to be on a team. Kids out of high school will get a taste of the real world.
If it’s so important for the fanbase to win, they can pony up. If not, they’ll just have to be patient. This is a rebuild. We all want to win yesterday, but our circumstances dictate we will have to wait.
Yes, they can say we can offer you x contingent on the settlement. But this isn’t as good as an offer without contingencies. Which puts us at a big disadvantage in recruiting.
We’re not the only team in this situation. I find it hard to believe so many teams have the NIL deals to offer a full roster of 7 figure pay days without the rev sharing. Certainly the BE schools need it to go through to have the cash in hand.
Throwing money at the program doesn't fix the problems. There were things happening last year that were an issue regardless of who was wearing the uniform.
There are two types of donations that roll into the program:
1. People supporting R Basketball, regardless of who is coaching the program. These are people that love RU and if you just make them feel welcomed, they will support you.
2. People supporting the current state of R Basketball. Who is coaching, who is playing, do they feel connected to the team, etc.
There are very few people in the #2 camp right now, and honestly those tend to be the grassroots people that you post about on here.
If you want more everyday fans to pay up, they need to be inspired by what's happening around the program. Right now, they don't feel that way and you can't blame anyone for that. This has been a **** show the past couple of years.
If he needs more money from the fans, he needs to give them something worth donating towards.
Pike hasn’t had an effective offense in years. He had two lottery picks last year. That’s talent.
I said last week its smarter to wait it out, see who has over valued themselves
Why? Duke is historically a better basketball than football school. Suppose everybody else spends $2 million of their $20 million cap money on basketball while Duke spends $4 million. Duke's football team will continue to be weak, but their basketball team will get even stronger. Duke might decide that's to its advantage -- better to be great at one sport and lousy at the other.
I’m in 100% agreement and have been laughed at for suggesting this. I said for poor schools trying to split the baby will mean sub par for both sports.
We’re just in trouble in this climate. The teams that aren’t already established winners are going to have a REALLLLLY hard time catching up without deep pockets or 95-100% player retention
People are exclaiming we have 5 million to spend which is probably still bottom 20% of power 4 schools and thus non competitive
People are exclaiming we have 5 million to spend which is probably still bottom 20% of power 4 schools and thus non competitive
we can't even get people to donate $5 to a 99 year old Rutgers board legend who is in financial trouble and you want people to pony up more money to 19 year old kids to play basketball for a year?
The board legend deserves to be supported, but we’re all united by our love for Rutgers Football and Rutgers Basketball. So yes, Rutgers Football and Rutgers Basketball deserves everyone’s support.
Two lottery picks and not enough from everyone else. That’s not enough talent.
This isn't a "rebuild"; we're just bad. Rebuilding is when you are devoting the necessary money and resources to fix the problem, but you still have to wait out the necessary time for the repairs to take place. In this instance, we're not devoting the necessary money and resources, so no amount of time is going to fix the problem.
We're just a bad athletics department under the current rules.
We're just a bad athletics department under the current rules.
How are they going to recruit a full roster of 12+ freshman and JUCOs after the LOI signing period has already passed?
Extremely poor planning and player eval. Volume, inefficient shooters and no defensive talent. And somehow the board knew that last summer.
If it was so important to win, Rutgers’ leadership at all levels would have made winning a priority but instead, has mismanaged the opportunity for decades. Until that changes, and trust can be built with significant donors, expect the status quo.
If teams can only add two transfer portal players each season, you will not be losing your whole team every year.
The bottom line is Pike BLEW it this year. A successful season would have proved bountiful instead it was CATASTROPHIC FAILURE
Since Richard McCormick became President, the Rutgers Administration has been exceptionally supportive of Athletics.
- $100M for stadium expansion
- $13M for Hale Center Expansion
- $100M for APC on Livingston
- $6M a year extension to Schiano
- generous contracts for Schiano’s staff
- $3.5M a year extension to Pikiell
- generous contracts for Pikiell’s staff
- RAC Improvements
- Rodkin Academic Success Center on Busch
Basketball has everything it needs to win, save
NIL support.
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Time flies -- it's over 20 years since McCormick became President of Rutgers, and we're about to have our third president (and, I think, fifth AD) since then.