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This is what we call coming full circle, it's rich to see you whining about being attacked. Let me remind you of the "nice post" you started off with on this topic:



When you stop attacking people maybe you will stop reaping what you sow.
Man. You really are upset. Nobody should have to be offended like that. I am sorry.
 

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For those who dont think this team was made to be soft as pillows under Riley- see what Frost and Co are doing. They aren't taking any prisoners. Look for lots of new faces in the starting lineup- JUCOs, Freshmen and those who choose to buy in

“The coaching staff is going to make sure if players aren’t doing what they’re supposed to be doing, there will be consequences,” he said.

“And they’re not going to like it,” said Davison.

And not everyone is going to make it with this new staff, Davison said. That was the message from day one under Frost.

“Stood there the first day and said, ‘Here’s what we’re going to ask of you. And it’s going to be a heck of a lot of fun for those of you who stay and make it and are a part of this deal. Some of you probably aren’t going to make it, and that’s OK because we’re going to get rid of the guys who can’t make it,’ ” Davison said.

The roster needs to be “flipped” Davison said. It needs guys who are willing to compete.

Great organizations set high expectations. The bar has been set. If you can't raise the bar, there is the door. That simple. GBR
 
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When I read this it reminded me of Gulliver's Travels when he visited the land of the horses where the Yahoos (humans) were vile creatures. Gulliver noted the single most vile trait was when one of the Yahoos fell out of power the other Yahoos would climb up in a tree and "discharge their excrements" on the head of the guy out of power. The Riley regime is gone, move forward Matt.

What is wrong with you? Didn't you noticed how soft, weak, and uninspired the team was last year? Don't you realize a certain culture had permeated the program? Don't you realize Frost is changing things?

I'd be upset if I didn't someone in the program saying the things Matt just did.
 
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I just find it a bit hypocritical of Davison claiming that the last staff didn't emphasize character in recruiting and cared more about stars, and insinuating that had to do with our struggles last year. Frost's hero Osborne recruited a lot of highly-rated recruits despite their character issues, because he wanted to win. Whereas I haven't seen many character issues with Riley's recruits.

Riley had a lot of faults as a coach, but character wasn't one of them. We didn't suck because of character issues or lack of walk-ons or players not doing enough squats. We sucked mostly because the last staff sucked at game preparation and making adjustments, and player development at certain positions. I hope and think Frost will be a huge upgrade in this area.

Character = effort/discipline/development of a football player, in Frost's eyes, along with doing things the right ways (academic/athletic focus and being a good person). Let's be real here...winning football games matters the most.

Recruiting kids to Nebraska in TOs day was about recruiting kids who would go through a brick wall in order to win those football games. I think that is the character we are referring to. Not Glee Club and Math Club and Better Business Bureau ratings. That is the common denominator.

I see a lot of stars that need to step-up big time and I hope those kids are up to the task.
 

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What is wrong with you? Didn't you noticed how soft, weak, and uninspired the team was last year? Don't you realize a certain culture had permeated the program? Don't you realize Frost is changing things?
Husker.Wed is not saying anything at all about how soft or how poorly coached the team was. He’s referring to how Riley is being treated. One can see how Frost is changing things. Fans have skewers the previous coaching staff mercilessly. Does the current administration need to do the same thing? That’s what HW is talking about, not how soft and uninspired the players are.

Apples and oranges, my friend...
 

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You are thinking of character meaning being a good citizen. That is not what MD is talking about. T.O. had some sketchy dudes on his teams - but that had more to do with their home situation than being a born criminal or whatever you are implying. MD means guys that want to work, win and play ever down. That is character too - and that is what he is talking about. Leadership from players has been an issue since Solich.....Frost expects to find and develop leaders from the team. It is one of those things Callaclown and Riley didn't really understand - and that Pelini didn't care about (felt HE was the only leader we needed).

This. I feel good about Frost's ability to not only see talent, but recognize the type of mentality that will be a good fit for Husker recruits. Guys that are no-nonsense when it comes to football/training and ready to get to work (max effort) to fully develop their God-given ability on the football field. GBR
 

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I don't like that he's publicly criticizing current players like this. It's fine to be honest with them face-to-face, but telling the media that "character wasn't looked at enough" and we need better players isn't going to help the current guys buy-in.

Disagree 100%. I bet the vast majority of the PLAYERS love what is being said. They want to work harder. They want competition. They want tougher standards. Nothing is worse for team chemistry anywhere than a slacker getting away with sh*t and nothing being done about it. There's not a company, work crew, sports team or group of hairstylists in the nation that wouldn't agree with that.
 
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Husker.Wed is not saying anything at all about how soft or how poorly coached the team was. He’s referring to how Riley is being treated. One can see how Frost is changing things. Fans have skewers the previous coaching staff mercilessly. Does the current administration need to do the same thing? That’s what HW is talking about, not how soft and uninspired the players are.

Apples and oranges, my friend...

Yes they do, I'm interested in how the players respond.
 

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Husker.Wed is not saying anything at all about how soft or how poorly coached the team was. He’s referring to how Riley is being treated. One can see how Frost is changing things. Fans have skewers the previous coaching staff mercilessly. Does the current administration need to do the same thing? That’s what HW is talking about, not how soft and uninspired the players are.

Apples and oranges, my friend...
As they should have been..That leadership with the pussified mentality is gone and a balls to the wall iron will mentality is now in place. Let it go, time to write a new chapter. I've noticed on this board, there are alot of so called fans with the pussified Reilly mentality and all I have have to say is get on board or gtfo as Husker Nation doesn't need you period!
 

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I get the fan mentality to harpoon Riley and company. To argue against that is a losing battle.

But the current administration should drop professionalism and harpoon the previous coaches as well...

Is that what I am to understand?
 

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As they should have been..That leadership with the pussified mentality is gone and a balls to the wall iron will mentality is now in place. Let it go, time to write a new chapter. I've noticed on this board, there are alot of so called fans with the pussified Reilly mentality and all I have have to say is get on board or gtfo as Husker Nation doesn't need you period!

Thanks for the lecture Noob... I am on board fully and completely. Look at my posts in support of Frost. Forgive me if I don’t crap on Riley at the same time. Does that make me a fan Husker nation doesn’t need?
 
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I get the fan mentality to harpoon Riley and company. To argue against that is a losing battle.

But the current administration should drop professionalism and harpoon the previous coaches as well...

Is that what I am to understand?

What is wrong with people? Matt is just saying things are changing and going to be different. He can't say how things will be different if you don't compare to the previous staff somewhat. I like the information Matt is providing. You want Matt to say the previous staff did a good job?
 

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What is wrong with people? Matt is just saying things are changing and going to be different. He can't say how things will be different if you don't compare to the previous staff somewhat. I like the information Matt is providing. You want Matt to say the previous staff did a good job?
Why would you take it to the extreme opposite direction? Why does Matt need to say anything at all? That’s the only question is being asked here. Not that he needs to defend the previous staff, but just don’t say anything. It’s really that simple.
 
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I get the fan mentality to harpoon Riley and company. To argue against that is a losing battle.

But the current administration should drop professionalism and harpoon the previous coaches as well...

Is that what I am to understand?
It's to send a message loud and clear to not just the fan base but the nation as well that the standard that has been tolerated for so long will no longer be ever again. This is a Blueblood program that has been down longer than any of the powerhouse juggernauts in the modern era. The fall started with the University leadership which then in turn was responsible for the subpar jackass hires that were responsible for descending this program to lower and lower depths with each coaching change to what is seen now. What once was a proud and very well respected Blueblood Program has now become the laughing stock of College Football and it's been that way for quite sometime. As I said in my last post, there are alot of so-called Husker fans with the same pussified mentality that we have become accustomed to over time. I say again either get on board or gtfo as Husker Nation doesn't need them! I don't care if anyone likes what I said, deal with it! GO BIG RED!!
 
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It's to send a message loud and clear to not just the fan base but the nation as well that the standard that has been tolerated for so long will no longer be. This is a Blueblood program that has been down longer than any of the powerhouse juggernauts in the modern era. The fall started with the University leadership which then in turn was responsible for the subpar jackass hires that were responsible for descending this program to lower and lower depths with each coaching change to what is seen now. What once was a proud and very well respected Blueblood Program has now become the laughing stock of College Football and it's been that way for quite sometime. As I said in my last post, there are alot of so-called Husker fans with the same pussified mentality that we have become accustomed to over time. I say again either get on board or gtfo as Husker Nation doesn't need them! I don't care if anyone likes what I said, deal with it! GO BIG RED!!
Well, sorry to disappoint you, but I’m still gonna be a fan, ok? And I’m not gonna pile on on the previous coaching staff. I’m just gonna cheer loud and long for the current staff.

If you read my first post here in this thread, you might recall I said I can see both sides here. I’ve gotten sucked in trying to shed light on Husker.Wed.’s post, saying move on, talk about what is to come. Leave the past in the past.

And you tell me to stop being a ***** and gtfo and Husker nation doesn’t need me.

Overreact much? I could say Husker Nation doesn’t need dicks like yourself... but what would that accomplish? You’re still gonna be a fan.

Fans come with different opinions. I suggest you don’t get too butthurt if someone else supports the coach and team in a way that doesn’t fit your way 100%.
 
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Why would you take it to the extreme opposite direction? Why does Matt need to say anything at all? That’s the only question is being asked here. Not that he needs to defend the previous staff, but just don’t say anything. It’s really that simple.

I don't want the staff to say nothing, I want them to say something about what they're doing. It's really that simple.
 

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Well, sorry to disappoint you, but I’m still gonna be a fan, ok? And I’m not gonna pile on on the previous coaching staff. I’m just gonna cheer loud and long for the current staff.

If you read my first post here in this thread, you might recall I said I can see both sides here. I’ve gotten sucked in trying to shed light on Husker.Wed.’s post, saying move on, talk about what is to come. Leave the past in the past.

And you tell me to stop being a ***** and gtfo and Husker nation doesn’t need me.

Overreact much? I could say Husker Nation doesn’t need dicks like yourself... but what would that accomplish? You’re still gonna be a fan.

Fans come with different opinions. I suggest you don’t get too butthurt if someone else supports the coach and team in a way that doesn’t fit your way 100%.
I wasn't calling any one person out, I was calling it out as a whole
 

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I see nothing wrong with what Davison said
The faithful fans need to know
Nebraska high school coach coaches need to know
Nebraska high school players need to know
High school coaches and pundits nationwide need to know
It’s a total flip from the previous culture
It’s dramatic and it needs to be communicated to get this turned around
He didn’t name names
 

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I don't want the staff to say nothing, I want them to say something about what they're doing. It's really that simple.
Fair enough. I think Davison could have been harsher than he was. I appreciate reading that things will be different. We need things to be different.

Like I said at the start of this thread, I can see both sides of this argument.
 

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I see nothing wrong with what Davison said
The faithful fans need to know
Nebraska high school coach coaches need to know
Nebraska high school players need to know
High school coaches and pundits nationwide need to know
It’s a total flip from the previous culture
It’s dramatic and it needs to be communicated to get this turned around
He didn’t name names
This is exactly the same attitude players had during the glory years and Davidson was part of that as well. Same attitude players had where OLineman would literally tell opposing DLinemen what they were gonna run and dare them to try and stop it. This is the mentality Frost and co are trying to instill.
 

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Nobody is saying that Riley did a good job coaching. He was terrible. I just disagree with Matt's claim that he didn't emphasize high-character, talented recruits. Some of the young Riley recruits were the only bright spots of the team last year. Let's get those kids to buy in and be the leaders of this team next year.
 

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Nobody is saying that Riley did a good job coaching. He was terrible. I just disagree with Matt's claim that he didn't emphasize high-character, talented recruits. Some of the young Riley recruits were the only bright spots of the team last year. Let's get those kids to buy in and be the leaders of this team next year.
He didn't have to emphasize as it has rolled over and is now day 1. No one is guaranteed starting positions as they have to earn it and now no one has a step up as it is an even playing field all are equal.
 

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Y

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Cheap talk was the calling card of the regime you so aggressively supported for the last 3 years

These aren’t big hat no cattle guys
Like the previous fellas

I wasn't a fan of the Riley hire and don't believe that he should've ever been HC at Nebraska, but I at least gave him a chance. Those that didn't "support" him for at least some of his time at NU shouldn't even be considered fans. There's a few in this thread that fit that mold.
 

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I wasn't a fan of the Riley hire and don't believe that he should've ever been HC at Nebraska, but I at least gave him a chance. Those that didn't "support" him for at least some of his time at NU shouldn't even be considered fans. There's a few in this thread that fit that mold.

Support
Do you mean like by attending all the home games
Paying for our season tickets like we have for last 40 plus years
And knowing the man wasn’t qualified and knowing without question he would fail?

I’m a fan of the program first and foremost that is where my loyalties are
I was critical of the hire
I did research on Riley and knew statistically by the way he approached the game and what you have to do statistically to win the big that Riley had zero chance here
Gritted my teeth gave him mulligan in year 1
Saw little improvement and yanked hard on the leash in year 3
Stopping just short of dropping the program into the abyss

How dare you call us not fans
Fans vote with their time and their money
I’ve done both
 
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Support
Do you mean like by attending all the home games
Paying for our season tickets like we have for last 40 plus years
And knowing the man wasn’t qualified and knowing without question he would fail?

I’m a fan of the program first and foremost that is where my loyalties are
I was critical of the hire
Gritted my teeth gave him mulligan in year 1
Saw little improvement and yanked hard on the leash in year 3
Stopping just short of dropping the program into the abyss

So you're saying you were never on board and knew for a fact that he would fail, even before he had coached a game at NU?
 
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So you're saying you were never on board and knew for a fact that he would fail, even before he had coached a game at NU?
Correct
I did the research
To win the big in the Last 10 years the pass to run yards have averaged 1.2-1

Riley’s pass yards to run yards average was 2.5

No matter how much he told us he liked running the ball he was and always will be an nfl pass happy guy whose run game is unimaginative not fundamentally sound and he isn’t committed to it no matter how many times he said he was

His last year here was his offense
Right at his historical norm of 2.5 passing yards to run yards
And it barely won 4 games
Just like I thought it would

I don’t have faith in 63 year old career .500 coaches

I do however have faith in frost whose pass to run yards were right at 1.2-1 at Oregon and 1.4-1 at ucf right in the sweet spot to win the big 10

Scott’s a young committed hard working energetic winner
The other guy not so much- the more I found out about him the more I disliked him
 
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I get the fan mentality to harpoon Riley and company. To argue against that is a losing battle.

But the current administration should drop professionalism and harpoon the previous coaches as well...

Is that what I am to understand?
As long as Riley is on the payroll getting subsidized like he is - I have no problem with it.