Thiam

[AshCatchEm]

Pikiell on thiam:



I remember that time I said I hope thiam grad transfers so we can use his scholarship on a contributor and it was seen as horrific for some reason. ..well it looks a lot less demeaning than the actual quote on the situation from our head coach. But again, it's a business so this shouldn't be a big deal like some people make it. So again, I hope he finds another home this off-season where he can play.

Definitely doesn't look like a health reason.

 

[kcg88]

No idea what's going on behind the scenes but Thiam would not be first guess for a transfer.

We have an open scholarship and at least a chance of another one opening from a certain redshirting guy with a back injury. Let's fill those scholarships before we start pushing more guys out the door.

 

[Scangg]

Yeppp saying someone isn't good enough is not a personal attack on the player as a human being or wishing them ill will. Wasn't going to bring it up but this win streak is coinciding with Thiam playing less minutes and DNPs. When your team has finished last place year after year it's actually a positive sign that the program has brought in recruits that are out playing upperclassmen. It means the talent level is improving. I do feel really bad for Thiam though. It has to be really tough for him to go from starter to DNP but like Pike said. This isn't little league... this is the B1G

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Yeppp saying someone isn't good enough is not a personal attack on the player as a human being or wishing them ill will. Wasn't going to bring it up but this win streak is coinciding with Thiam playing less minutes and DNPs. When your team has finished last place year after year it's actually a positive sign that the program has brought in recruits that are out playing upperclassmen. It means the talent level is improving. I do feel really bad for Thiam though. It has to be really tough for him to go from starter to DNP but like Pike said. This isn't little league... this is the B1G

I’ve been saying this for weeks ...and this is gonna keep happening if the program is getting better

 

[AshCatchEm]

Yeppp saying someone isn't good enough is not a personal attack on the player as a human being or wishing them ill will. Wasn't going to bring it up but this win streak is coinciding with Thiam playing less minutes and DNPs. When your team has finished last place year after year it's actually a positive sign that the program has brought in recruits that are out playing upperclassmen. It means the talent level is improving. I do feel really bad for Thiam though. It has to be really tough for him to go from starter to DNP but like Pike said. This isn't little league... this is the B1G

He's a great kid..seems like a super nice kid who would never say anything bad about you. But that's an issue..he seems to lack that fire to fight on defense and to take the shots that are meant to be his.

 

[gregkoko]

Pikiell on thiam:



I remember that time I said I hope thiam grad transfers so we can use his scholarship on a contributor and it was seen as horrific for some reason. ..well it looks a lot less demeaning than the actual quote on the situation from our head coach. But again, it's a business so this shouldn't be a big deal like some people make it. So again, I hope he finds another home this off-season where he can play.

Definitely doesn't look like a health reason.

The full quote would help. Pike wouldn't demean one of his players publically.

"It's not Little League baseball," Pikiell said. "I play a lot of guys a lot of minutes, I like these guys. I like Issa, too. I love the kid, but I can't play everybody.

"After a win like this, he has to keep working. His time will come, everyone's time will come. I didn't play Shaq Carter early in the year, now he's playing a lot. I didn't play Caleb McConnell, now he's playing. Same thing with Issa."

https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...rs-indiana-hoosiers-archie-miller/2708195002/

 

[RUinFla]

He is a junior. If he decides to stay and graduate with a degree at a good school, and keeps in shape and works hard in practice, knowing he is not going to play ahead of a growing list of guys, he still gets to keep his scholarship. Maybe he is OK with that. He just doesn't seem to be aggressive, but when he was recruited, we were taking any warm body. Now we have Eugene, Geo, Carter, Mathis, Harper, Johnson, and Mulcahy to come. Hugely upgraded roster from the days of Souf, Bullock--and Thiam. Kind of like wartime baseball, before the stars came back from the military.
TL

 

[Ruthinking]

I would note that he is a great teammate and last night was very enthusiastic in supporting the team.

 

[dkostus]

Pikiell on thiam:



I remember that time I said I hope thiam grad transfers so we can use his scholarship on a contributor and it was seen as horrific for some reason. ..well it looks a lot less demeaning than the actual quote on the situation from our head coach. But again, it's a business so this shouldn't be a big deal like some people make it. So again, I hope he finds another home this off-season where he can play.

Definitely doesn't look like a health reason.

Your comments are offensive not because you criticize a player but because you try to run off a player who has worked his butt off in practice for three years.

You do this while not even being knowledgeable enough to know that Thiam would not be a "grad transfer," and while we have an open scholarship anyway, meaning Thiam isn't holding back any space from a "contributor." Teams don't go 13 deep, so having a senior on the team who knows the system next year is positive for both practice and for the experience he would bring in if someone was injured and he needed to step in.

You sound completely uninformed, and mischaracterizing Coach Pike doesnt help. Thus the criticism.

 

[higgins3]

If anything, it's the recruiters fault. You should be able to find players that will fit at this level.

Thiam had the ceiling. Still, I am not a fan of players that have to transfer due to a coach not being able to successfully evaluate them. Then it becomes a problem of whether or not they should have ever been here to begin with.

The unfortunate truth is that he has no gained much weight since being here, for whatever reason. That limits his ability to be a match up problem on defense, and a driving defender that can take an unstable hit.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

Amazing that he and Duocore were so much a part of last year's team and now are invisible. Basketball more than any sport is plug and play.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Your comments are offensive not because you criticize a player but because you try to run off a player who has worked his butt off in practice for three years.

You do this while not even being knowledgeable enough to know that Thiam would not be a "grad transfer," and while we have an open scholarship anyway, meaning Thiam isn't holding back any space from a "contributor." Teams don't go 13 deep, so having a senior on the team who knows the system next year is positive for both practice and for the experience he would bring in if someone was injured and he needed to step in.

You sound completely uninformed, and mischaracterizing Coach Pike doesnt help. Thus the criticism.

Having Eugene will be like having 5 seniors. I am not mischaracterizing anything. I am putting out a direct quote. My hope is he finds a new squad (where he will start) or he steps up his game. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen but I'm pretty sure pikiell has the same hope too cause he's not rooting for him to be a total bench player. I'm not sure I'd classify any of this as offensive.

 

[RUich]

The idea is to win games. Simple!!!!
They don't have rules that say everybody has to play each game in some capacity. It is up to each player to show that he is not a liability on the court. If they can't, how can they complain?

 

[zappaa]

Great kid, I’m so happy for him when does something good.
But, he can’t run the fast break, doesn’t have good hands, and is not a good passer.

If he played lights out defensively because of his length you could live with it, but does he???

 

[RU82]

Good problem to have that a guy we have needed to rely on for production the last two years is now out of the rotation.

This team is the deepest we’ve had in forever and is going to get even deeper next year.

In the past we’ve had good players transfer out of the program because they were sick of losing, or because there was a coaching change, or because they just didn’t have enough talent around them. Having decent players transfer out because they can’t get on the floor is where we want to be. But in the case of Issa, he’ll be a senior next year and we should be happy to have him even if he’s the number 13 guy in our rotation. He’s not a ‘problem’ in any way. He’ll practice hard and celebrate victories. If that’s all we get out of him from here on out that’s fine.

 

[ancienthooper]

The full quote would help. Pike wouldn't demean one of his players publically.

"It's not Little League baseball," Pikiell said. "I play a lot of guys a lot of minutes, I like these guys. I like Issa, too. I love the kid, but I can't play everybody.

"After a win like this, he has to keep working. His time will come, everyone's time will come. I didn't play Shaq Carter early in the year, now he's playing a lot. I didn't play Caleb McConnell, now he's playing. Same thing with Issa."

https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...rs-indiana-hoosiers-archie-miller/2708195002/

Thank you. The full quote adds very important context to Coach Pikiell's comment.

 

[YoucancallmeRay]

Did you also want to run Kiss off the team? How about we wait until the season is over before assessing the "worth" of a player going into next season?

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

If anything, it's the recruiters fault. You should be able to find players that will fit at this level.

Thiam had the ceiling. Still, I am not a fan of players that have to transfer due to a coach not being able to successfully evaluate them. Then it becomes a problem of whether or not they should have ever been here to begin with.

The unfortunate truth is that he has no gained much weight since being here, for whatever reason. That limits his ability to be a match up problem on defense, and a driving defender that can take an unstable hit.

95% sure that Thiam was one of Jordans recruits who Pike honored his offer when he was made head coach. I know Thiam, Doorson, & Sa all came from Canaries Basketball Acadmey, something like that.

 

[dpwhite]

First off, Thiam can’t be a grad transfer. Secondly, between him and Doucoure, I really wish we would stop running players off the team.

 

[superfan01]

Show some class @AshCatchEm you should focus more on how terrible Ash has been than ripping a kid who isn’t getting paid and busting his ***. Your pathetic.

 

[whofrewdatmataRU13]

Here come the "high class" fans

 

[BaseballFan913]

Pikiell on thiam:



I remember that time I said I hope thiam grad transfers so we can use his scholarship on a contributor and it was seen as horrific for some reason. ..well it looks a lot less demeaning than the actual quote on the situation from our head coach. But again, it's a business so this shouldn't be a big deal like some people make it. So again, I hope he finds another home this off-season where he can play.

Definitely doesn't look like a health reason.

What you said is much worse. Pike said that the kid hasn't earned playing time. Pike isn't indicating the kid's schollie should be taken from him. Maybe he has no place in the lineup right now, but he certainly has a place at our university as a loyal son of Rutgers.

We don't turn on our own.

 

[LeapinLou]

I think the "this isn't little league baseball" comment was meant to say he has no obligation to play every player in every game. It wasn't a shot at Issa. As someone else wrote, you really need to see the entire answer to the question.

 

[Knight Ed_rivals]

Transfers out for lack of playing time are not good or bad but simply a fact of life in college basketball. Before 2018, Duke had 8 transfers in 5 years. Each year on every team some guys are going to end up at the end of the bench. Each year these guys have to decide if they want to go to another school where they will play or stay and not see the floor. Some decide to go.

 

[RUPete]

The full quote would help. Pike wouldn't demean one of his players publically.

"It's not Little League baseball," Pikiell said. "I play a lot of guys a lot of minutes, I like these guys. I like Issa, too. I love the kid, but I can't play everybody.

"After a win like this, he has to keep working. His time will come, everyone's time will come. I didn't play Shaq Carter early in the year, now he's playing a lot. I didn't play Caleb McConnell, now he's playing. Same thing with Issa."

https://www.app.com/story/sports/co...rs-indiana-hoosiers-archie-miller/2708195002/

Thank you for posting the full quote. This is one of the reasons I can't stand Twitter and crap hot takes. In isolation, the quote sounded bad. It's much better in its full context.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Show some class @AshCatchEm you should focus more on how terrible Ash has been than ripping a kid who isn’t getting paid and busting his ***. Your pathetic.

That's right I'm an absolute monster. Shame on me for discussing an integral part of college basketball aka potential transfers out.

Explain to me how complimenting thiam and saying he still may never play here is "ripping him"

 

[superfan01]

That's right I'm an absolute monster. Shame on me for discussing an integral part of college basketball aka potential transfers out.

Why don’t you discuss what a disaster Ash is? Yet you blindly defend him and rip Thiam.

 

[BillyC80]

Pike’s entire quote reads like a head coach trying to motivate a player, not force him out.

 

[AshCatchEm]

Why don’t you discuss what a disaster Ash is? Yet you blindly defend him and rip Thiam.

Why don't you stay on topic? Ash is the worst college coach in football. There..discussion over. Back to thiam. Again, try to use some semblance of thought in explaining to me how I am "ripping" thiam. I have never seen more sensitive individuals. Enough people like my posts and are responding that it's a good topic of discussion so deal with it.

Cause if you think saying he probably won't play here is ripping him, I've got news for you..that's a discussion of the reality of the situation and not a personal attack.

 

[RutgHoops]

We've had similar posts about Carter (early), McConnell (early), Kiss (when he got his DNPs), Doucoure (who is now RSing and will be same class as Myles next season).

If Issa practices hard and shows he should be getting minutes he'll get them. And then the player who gets the DNP will get a post like this. As @RU82 posted above this is a good problem to have. Good teams have players with ability who don't get minutes. And next year there will be (at least) a player or two in the same boat.

 

[superfan01]

Think we need Thiam for next year. I think it’s Duke who gets processed.

 

[AshCatchEm]

We've had similar posts about Carter (early), McConnell (early), Kiss (when he got his DNPs), Doucoure (who is now RSing and will be same class as Myles next season).

If Issa practices hard and shows he should be getting minutes he'll get them. And then the player who gets the DNP will get a post like this. As @RU82 posted above this is a good problem to have. Good teams have players with ability who don't get minutes. And next year there will be (at least) a player or two in the same boat.

Douc is officially redshirting? hes still under the limit? Great news if true

 

[BaseballFan913]

Why don't you stay on topic? Ash is the worst college coach in football. There..discussion over. Back to thiam. Again, try to use some semblance of thought in explaining to me how I am "ripping" thiam. I have never seen more sensitive individuals. Enough people like my posts and are responding that it's a good topic of discussion so deal with it.

Cause if you think saying he probably won't play here is ripping him, I've got news for you..that's a discussion of the reality of the situation and not a personal attack.

Are you a coach on staff that has inside information on playing time both this and in future years?

Or are you a random man on the internet who is posting to push a kid out? <----- The true "reality of the situation"

 

[RU848789]

Your comments are offensive not because you criticize a player but because you try to run off a player who has worked his butt off in practice for three years.

You do this while not even being knowledgeable enough to know that Thiam would not be a "grad transfer," and while we have an open scholarship anyway, meaning Thiam isn't holding back any space from a "contributor." Teams don't go 13 deep, so having a senior on the team who knows the system next year is positive for both practice and for the experience he would bring in if someone was injured and he needed to step in.

You sound completely uninformed, and mischaracterizing Coach Pike doesnt help. Thus the criticism.

Exactly. Coach shows honesty and understanding in his comments, while Ashguy just acts like a dick who wants to run a guy off the team.

 

[Mr. Magoo1]

Love that quote.

 

[BaseballFan913]

Having Eugene will be like having 5 seniors. I am not mischaracterizing anything. I am putting out a direct quote. My hope is he finds a new squad (where he will start) or he steps up his game. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen but I'm pretty sure pikiell has the same hope too cause he's not rooting for him to be a total bench player. I'm not sure I'd classify any of this as offensive.

So according to this clown, you can in fact have too many players with experience and knowledge of the system, and we would rather bring in a transfer who may not contribute or be ready at a moments notice than have a guy who knows where he is supposed to be?

Look at Indiana and tell me you can have too many experienced players.

 

[bowlgoal]

Thiam himself can’t be happy but the objective is to win and he hasn’t been producing so it’s hard to just put him in and screw with a rotation that’s produced 3 consecutive wins. When and if an opportunity arises he gets another chance and he needs to produce in those opportunities. You notice guys like Kiss finding out that he’s a role player right now and he’s taking better shots that go down and playing better defense. He also has to protect the ball and be very precise with his passing. And those two free throw misses last night can’t happen. But still many here lost faith in Kiss and I said that’s a mistake and he’s going to be just fine. Watch his work ethic in the off season and what he does to get better.

Bottom line is you play what works until it doesn’t. My bold but positive prediction of 7 conference wins is looking more and more likely. That was after the Purdue loss. Not sure many will recall the post but it’s out there on this board somewhere. We are on pace in year 3. Next year gets better and then we really need to cash in on the 2020 open spots.

 

[kcg88]

Kiss was on the bench for the entire Ohio State win. It can always come around.

 

[bowlgoal]

One other thought on Issa. I think he’s one of those guys who kind of made himself into a 3 point shooter instead a good basketball player who can knock down three pointers. You get stuck in that way of thinking and when your 3 point shot is off, which it’s been for most of the season, the rest of your game suffers. Montez can hit from 3 and so can Ron and Geo, Kiss and McConnell but they look for the best shots from anywhere including driving to the hoop and open mid range shots. The bottom line is contributing; chipping in, picking up scraps and rebounding. The basket looks much bigger when that one shot is not all you’re thinking about?

 

[RU_DIO]

If anything, it's the recruiters fault. You should be able to find players that will fit at this level.

Thiam had the ceiling. Still, I am not a fan of players that have to transfer due to a coach not being able to successfully evaluate them. Then it becomes a problem of whether or not they should have ever been here to begin with.

The unfortunate truth is that he has no gained much weight since being here, for whatever reason. That limits his ability to be a match up problem on defense, and a driving defender that can take an unstable hit.

Every staff misses on players. When Issa was recruited we needed players desperately and he looked like he had potential I expected him to make a nice jump this year. Unfortunately he has regressed.