These Dan Mullen talking points are so incredibly dumb.....

Smoked Toag

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They just don't get it:

- Mullen is the best playcaller ever: NO HE'S NOT. He's a great organizer, and great at development/S&C, and a great QB coach. I'd even say he's an average caller, i.e. he does the basic common sense stuff. But he needs a dedicated OC to help open things up for him, because he tries to do too much. He's a micro-manager and gets too emotionally conservative when he gets nervous.
- Needs to fire his staff: His staff isn't the problem, at least when it comes to X/O and gameday coaching. Grantham is a good coordinator. Billy G and Big Hevy are good position coaches. If anything, he needs to let Billy G call the plays in-game.
- Needs more recruiters: This is WHO YOU HIRED. He develops, and does his thing. He's got Top 15 talent, and he generally needs a top QB to win big. Maybe he can hire a Brewster who can get him a player here or there, but it's not going to move him into the Top 5.

The problem is, they had it wrong from the beginning. He was never going to get Top 5 talent like Spurrier wanted. That's not his strength. He rules by fear with an iron fist, it's not conducive. They need to blame Loaferz. This is what they hired, and he must not have managed expectations very well.

Mullen will win when he gets his QB, which is probably Richardson. But screw it, I'm laughing my *** off at him and I hope he gets fired and never gets that chance, because I'm petty like that and still pissed about 2018. But let's get the reality straight here, Pawwwwwl.
 

Ralph Cramden

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Dan definitely needs to hire some recruiters. He nor Hevesy are very good at it. You need top 10 talent at Florida. If he doesn't improve his recruiting he will get fired. Period
 

Smoked Toag

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Dan definitely needs to hire some recruiters. He nor Hevesy are very good at it. You need top 10 talent at Florida. If he doesn't improve his recruiting he will get fired. Period
Do you? Clemson didn't have it. Oregon didn't have it. There are metrics out there that show that Top 15 gets you in the conversation, and he absolutely has that.

The dude just messed up by losing to Kentucky and LSU (probably one have been alright with one or the other). Not sure what was on his mind that day. The Georgia game was explainable - they showed up to play, just had a turnover meltdown over 5 plays.
 
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ZombieKissinger

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Dan just needs to realize that he can’t get Mississippi State-level talent at Florida
 

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They just don't get it:

- Mullen is the best playcaller ever: NO HE'S NOT. He's a great organizer, and great at development/S&C, and a great QB coach. I'd even say he's an average caller, i.e. he does the basic common sense stuff. But he needs a dedicated OC to help open things up for him, because he tries to do too much. He's a micro-manager and gets too emotionally conservative when he gets nervous.
- Needs to fire his staff: His staff isn't the problem, at least when it comes to X/O and gameday coaching. Grantham is a good coordinator. Billy G and Big Hevy are good position coaches. If anything, he needs to let Billy G call the plays in-game.
- Needs more recruiters: This is WHO YOU HIRED. He develops, and does his thing. He's got Top 15 talent, and he generally needs a top QB to win big. Maybe he can hire a Brewster who can get him a player here or there, but it's not going to move him into the Top 5.

The problem is, they had it wrong from the beginning. He was never going to get Top 5 talent like Spurrier wanted. That's not his strength. He rules by fear with an iron fist, it's not conducive. They need to blame Loaferz. This is what they hired, and he must not have managed expectations very well.

Mullen will win when he gets his QB, which is probably Richardson. But screw it, I'm laughing my *** off at him and I hope he gets fired and never gets that chance, because I'm petty like that and still pissed about 2018. But let's get the reality straight here, Pawwwwwl.

Don't know that Dan can do any better than he did with Dak and Fitz at MSU. A thinner, faster QB can't take the running punishment. Even if Dan gets are great passer I'm not sure Dan is a good enough passing OC for a top passing game. He's the option QB whisperer, not an NFL or top college passing QB whisperer. Alex Smith and Dak got a lot better at passing after they left State.

I really wish Dan had stayed for 2018. An experienced Fitz, Kylin Hill, and a TOP defense. Can't remember if our 2018 OL was good enough for State to be elite, but all the other pieces were there.
 

Ralph Cramden

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They are 4 and 4. Tennessee, Vandy and 2 small colleges. Towson and FIU or FAU. Did good against Bama, not even competitive with Georgia. Not good enough for Florida. Maybe he can turn it around next year but if not he is done. You can't go 8 and 4 there. Not acceptable.
 

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Don’t forget, Florida whiffed on three or four coaches before loaferz had to hire Mullen as a fall back option.
 

paindonthurt_

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They don’t need top 5 talent. He hasn’t had a qb that is even close to really good. He’ll eventually get one and they’ll win.

He’s not ever gonna be saban and make the playoffs year after year, but no one is gonna do that.
 

paindonthurt_

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He’s got a great shot at going 9-4.
Spurrier won 9 games 3 times.
Won 10 games 6 times.
 

Smoked Toag

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They don’t need top 5 talent. He hasn’t had a qb that is even close to really good. He’ll eventually get one and they’ll win.

He’s not ever gonna be saban and make the playoffs year after year, but no one is gonna do that.
Are you attempting to disagree with me? Not sure who you're pointing this at. Because I basically said the same thing in the OP.
 

Dawgzilla

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Don’t forget, Florida whiffed on three or four coaches before loaferz had to hire Mullen as a fall back option.

Fat fingered a Lane Violation. Mullen was not Stricklin's choice, he was the biggest name left after getting turned down.

Stricklin may be in trouble, though. The football team is struggling, the new baseball stadium is under whelming, and more news is coming out about their abusive WBB coach that the administration covered for.
 

Dawgzilla

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I don't get the effusions over his players calling, either. I haven't watched many Florida games, but at State his play calling was extremely predictable. The scripted plays at the beginning of the game were sometimes creative, but if Dan needs a tough yard the QB is going up the middle.

And he only had that one "trick" play, which was the fake-sweep-throw back-to-the- QB. At least at UF he has learned when to call it.

I always wondered if he could recruit 5 star players for a top school. You can't win championships with a roster full of rough diamonds. He has to learn to attract the guys everyone else wants.
 

Herbert Nenninger

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Think of some of Mullen’s most successful players at State. Dak, Cox, Banks, Slay, McKinney, Chris White, Beniquez Brown, Derunnya, Gabe Jackson, Vick Ballard, Josh Ronbinson, Fitz, Nickoe Whitley, Jameson Lewis, Preston Smith, etc. other than Chris Jones, these guys were just hard nosed and mostly under the radar with a chip on their shoulders. It’s a lot easier for him to develop those kinds of players than these Florida premadonnas.
I think there’s no coincidence why UF, FSU, and Miami have been underachieving so much. It’s always gonna feel like he’s not living up to the talent that’s around him there, but there’s only a handful of coaches that could thrive there (Kiffin is probably one).
I could imagine Dan doing very well somewhere like Wisconsin that tends to have pretty good baseline talent but that values defense and O line toughness; and doesn’t mind an offense with a run heavy quarterback that can grind it out.
 

8dog

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They had a second round QB last year. He was a Heisman finalist
 

Ralph Cramden

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He has had a great QB and a great tight end but what he has or doesn't have is totally his fault. Obviously he needs better talent than he currently has. Going 8 and 4 will not keep you employed at Florida. They already have 4 losses so obviously he will have to win out to go 8 and 4 this season. The QB guru got a 5 star QB and 3 years later he still can't play QB. The end result is they expect better.
 

8dog

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Im arguing with someone saying “he hasnt had a qb that was even close to really good”. Thats just false.

And Jim Mcelwain won the East twice. Mullen really botched last year.
 
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Clemson and Oregon didn’t have to get through Georgia and Bama every year prior to the CFP. Not to mention the other gauntlet of former national campion teams that is the SEC.

In another conference, his current recruiting could get him to the CFP and then I suppose anything could happen at that point. It’s not good enough to get through the SEC, though
 

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Even though the majority of the MSU fanbase knew exactly how this would play out, it is kinda funny watching it happen.

Mullen’s floor increased the day he signed his Florida contract thanks to additional resources and an improved recruiting footprint, but as virtually every poster on the board said 4 years ago, that floor wasn’t going to be good enough for Gator nation. He was going to increase his average win total to 9 or 10, but his teams were never going to be good enough to knock off both Georgia and Bama, and we all knew how the fans were gonna flip when he inevitably dipped back down to a 7-8 win season.

The late, great Denny Green could’ve called this one
 

Smoked Toag

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Even though the majority of the MSU fanbase knew exactly how this would play out, it is kinda funny watching it happen.

Mullen’s floor increased the day he signed his Florida contract thanks to additional resources and an improved recruiting footprint, but as virtually every poster on the board said 4 years ago, that floor wasn’t going to be good enough for Gator nation. He was going to increase his average win total to 9 or 10, but his teams were never going to be good enough to knock off both Georgia and Bama, and we all knew how the fans were gonna flip when he inevitably dipped back down to a 7-8 win season.

The late, great Denny Green could’ve called this one
If he hadn't been so eager to get out of town, he might could have seen this. He really should have gone to the B1G. He's the perfect Penn State coach.
 

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If loaferz did get fired what would be his next move?.....

Fat fingered a Lane Violation. Mullen was not Stricklin's choice, he was the biggest name left after getting turned down.

Stricklin may be in trouble, though. The football team is struggling, the new baseball stadium is under whelming, and more news is coming out about their abusive WBB coach that the administration covered for.

Perhaps a G5 job?

If he decided to retire or change careers would he ever again be welcomed back into the MSU family?
 
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