the TRUTH about the Jackie Sherill era.

[Bulldogg31]

Here are all of Jackie Sherrill's non-Conf opponents:

Texas
Memphis
Ark St
Tulane
Baylor (the old Baylor)
La-Monroe
La-Tech
Central Fla
OK St
East Tennessee State
Middle Tn State
BYU
Troy
Oregon
Houston

There's a couple of good teams on there, but come on. Lots of "pancakes".

Also, we remember Jackie fondly, as we should, but here is his record every year:

1991 7-5 (4-3)
1992 7-5 (4-4)
1993 3-6-2 (2-5-1) lost to Memphis
1994 8-4 (5-3)
1995 3-8 (1-7) lost to La-Monroe
1996 5-6 (3-5) lost to La Tech
1997 7-4 (4-4)
1998 8-5 (6-2) WEST Champs but lost to KY
1999 10-2 (6-2)lost big ones to Bama & ARK
2000 8-4 (4-4)
2001 3-8 (2-6) lost to Troy
2002 3-9 (0-8) beat Troy, 11-8
2003 2-10 (1-7) lost to Tulane

Should I post Mullen's records?

 

[tatedog]

We lost to LSU and UGA in 98, not UK.--maybe I'm remembering this wrong, there was a 47-0 drubbing by UGA in there somewhere, thought it was 98, maybe 97-- yep thats right... hard to believe our SEC west championship team lost to UK, but we did. Must've been a Couch/Mumme team. Just as hard to believe our 2001 team beat an Eli Manning led Ole Miss team. That was a crazy season.

 

[Bulldogg31]

We lost to LSU and UGA in 98, not UK.--maybe I'm remembering this wrong, there was a 47-0 drubbing by UGA in there somewhere, thought it was 98, maybe 97.

November 7 1998, Kentucky 37, MSU 35.

By the way, our final ranking that year? 25th. Never cracked the top 20 all year.

In fact, in all the years JWS was our coach we spent exactly 3 weeks in the Top 10. From Oct 24-Nov 7, 1999 we were ranked #8. That's it.

We were unranked in the AP poll every week from September 23, 2001 until October 17, 2010.

 

[Bulldogg31]

I'm bumping this because some folks on here still need a history lesson.

If you don't think right now is the glory days of Mississippi State football, then this period is your only other option. Unless, of course, you'd rather focus on 1941.

The best guy that's ever coached here is coaching here now. He's not perfect and we're not national champs, but to even mention his name in a discussion of firings and hot seats is absolutely absurd.

 

[dawgdoug1962]

Keep bringin' the TRUTH, Bulldogg31! 'eerybody wants more wins, but to say that it is time for a change in coaching staffs is just ludicrous beyond words!

I'm bumping this because some folks on here still need a history lesson.

If you don't think right now is the glory days of Mississippi State football, then this period is your only other option. Unless, of course, you'd rather focus on 1941.

The best guy that's ever coached here is coaching here now. He's not perfect and we're not national champs, but to even mention his name in a discussion of firings and hot seats is absolutely absurd.

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

Jackie's years were not the best we ever had, but they were certainly not the worst. You've done a good job of pointing out the Thorns (losses to inferior teams) I will just point out some of the Roses (upset wins).

1991
Texas (defending Southwest Conference Champs)
LSU (in Baton Rouge which is never easy)

1992
Texas (in Austin which is not easy)
Florida (SEC East Champs)

1994
Tennessee (Peyton Manning Gator Bowl team)

1996
Alabama (ranked #8 at the time, SEC West Champs)
Ole Miss (in Oxford they denied them a Bowl / 6th win)

1997
Alabama (true not a good team but winning in Tuscaloosa on Senior Day is not easy)

1998
Arkansas (denied them the sole SEC West Championship)
Alabama (not their usual standards but a Bowl Team)
Ole Miss (in Oxford, a Bowl Team)

2000
Florida (they were #3 Ranked)

True Jackie's last 3 years were a **** Show but there were some good upsets, 3 out of 4 against Bama, and some good Egg Bowl victories. Mullen has a couple of upsets too---2013 Ole Miss, 2014 LSU, 2014 Texas A&M, 2014 Auburn, and 2015 Arkansas.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Gotta give some of those wins the Mullen treatment

Jackie's years were not the best we ever had, but they were certainly not the worst. You've done a good job of pointing out the Thorns (losses to inferior teams) I will just point out some of the Roses (upset wins).

They're not really a great win if the opponent doesn't finished ranked **


1991
Texas (defending Southwest Conference Champs) Losing record 5-6
LSU (in Baton Rouge which is never easy) Also 5-6

1992
Texas (in Austin which is not easy) 6-5 record
Florida (SEC East Champs)

1994
Tennessee (Peyton Manning Gator Bowl team)

1996
Alabama (ranked #8 at the time, SEC West Champs)
Ole Miss (in Oxford they denied them a Bowl / 6th win)

1997
Alabama (true not a good team but winning in Tuscaloosa on Senior Day is not easy) 4-7 record

1998
Arkansas (denied them the sole SEC West Championship)
Alabama (not their usual standards but a Bowl Team) 7-5 record
Ole Miss (in Oxford, a Bowl Team) 7-5 record

2000
Florida (they were #3 Ranked)

True Jackie's last 3 years were a **** Show but there were some good upsets, 3 out of 4 against Bama, and some good Egg Bowl victories. Mullen has a couple of upsets too---2013 Ole Miss, 2014 LSU, 2014 Texas A&M, 2014 Auburn, and 2015 Arkansas.

nfm

 

[Bulldogg31]

Rabbit is right. The knock on Mullen is that his good wins are against bad teams, or rather, good programs having bad years.

Guess what? When good programs have good years they don't lose much. The trick is being able to take advantage of them when they're down and these days we can do that. From 2001 through 2009 we could not.

Here's the deal...if you're a Bulldog fan who graduated in the last 8 -10 years ago I'll cut you some slack. You've pretty much only seen State as a good, competitive program with lots of upside and room for improvement.

But if you're more than about 30 years old you have no excuse. You know what bad State football looks like and this isn't it. The biggest problem many of our fans have right now is that Ole Miss seems to be leaving us behind, but guess what? They're not.

Did you know that Ole Miss has lost at least 3 games a year, every year, since 1971? In fact, since the moon landing they've lost four or more games every year except 2015, 2003, 1992, 1990, 1971. That's it. They're not a great football program. They are decidedly average.

You know what they ARE great at? Telling you they are great. Shame is, many of us believe them, while at the same time we are running down the winningest coach in our history and missing out on much of the fun during this good stretch.

Get on board and stop listening to rebels.

 

[Lakedawg]

Slow clap commencing...

 

[operch]

Rabbit is right. The knock on Mullen is that his good wins are against bad teams, or rather, good programs having bad years.

Guess what? When good programs have good years they don't lose much. The trick is being able to take advantage of them when they're down and these days we can do that. From 2001 through 2009 we could not.

Here's the deal...if you're a Bulldog fan who graduated in the last 8 -10 years ago I'll cut you some slack. You've pretty much only seen State as a good, competitive program with lots of upside and room for improvement.

But if you're more than about 30 years old you have no excuse. You know what bad State football looks like and this isn't it. The biggest problem many of our fans have right now is that Ole Miss seems to be leaving us behind, but guess what? They're not.

Did you know that Ole Miss has lost at least 3 games a year, every year, since 1971? In fact, since the moon landing they've lost four or more games every year except 2015, 2003, 1992, 1990, 1971. That's it. They're not a great football program. They are decidedly average.

You know what they ARE great at? Telling you they are great. Shame is, many of us believe them, while at the same time we are running down the winningest coach in our history and missing out on much of the fun during this good stretch.

Get on board and stop listening to rebels.

Preach on brother. I am 73 and have felt the pain of the past and believe me the pain now is much less.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo

 

[HaleStater]

That mindset is sad and kinda pathetic. If Mullen is the best we can do then we should just shut down the program. For the record I don't remember Jackie overall that fondly. I remember the good and awesome moments but he felt like an underachiever. He felt like Stansbury of football to me.

 

[Lakedawg]

Sad and pathetic? I would say it's perspective and realism. Don't get me wrong - I want to have State consistently be better and I readily admit Mullen has faults like everyone - but in all things, we must acknowledge and learn from our past. We can't pretend we've had a better run than the last 6 years. We can't pretend we have pedigree like the Bamas of the world. What we can do is screw ourselves if we aren't careful and have the Rick Ray era of football on our hands. Can we find an up-and-comer and catch lightning (again)? Maybe. But that's a crapshoot. There is no way we get a proven winner in here. No way. So what are we really advocating here? Firing the best coach we've ever had and hope to find a replacement that, with any luck, can average 9 wins per season? Seems like a long shot and not very intelligent to me.

 

[QuadrupleOption]

That mindset is sad and kinda pathetic. If Mullen is the best we can do then we should just shut down the program. For the record I don't remember Jackie overall that fondly. I remember the good and awesome moments but he felt like an underachiever. He felt like Stansbury of football to me.

I love how all you super-competitive folks talk about shutting down the program if we can't win it all.

Newsflash: There are 17 programs that have won the national title in the last 30 years. Most of them have one exactly ONCE and then fallen back into the pack (Tennessee, Texas, Michigan, Washington, Colorado, Notre Dame, Penn State, Oklahoma). More of them won multiple titles and then fell off the map (Miami, Nebraska).

Of the remaining 6, three are in OUR DIVISION OF THE SEC, and one of them is in the midst of a dynasty.

WTF do you people want? To go undefeated every year? It's not going to happen. Maybe, one day, if we quit running off our coaches, we will have enough winning seasons to start pulling in the better recruits we need to compete with the biggest kids on the block. Until then, enjoy having winning seasons and going to bowl games. This is the best it's ever been for MSU football, yet some of our "fans" can't do anything but ***** about it.

For the record, here are the 17 (out of 130) teams that have won National Titles in the last 30 years:
Alabama (5)
Ohio State (2)
Florida State (3)
Florida (3)
Auburn (1)
LSU (2)
Texas (1)
USC (1)
Miami (2)
Oklahoma (2)
Tennessee (1)
Nebraska (2)
Michigan (1)
Washington (1)
Colorado (1)
Notre Dame (1)
Penn State (1)

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/

 

[HD6]

I think its fair to assume that Miami, Nebraska, Tennessee, Washington, Colorado, and Penn State will never win another national title barring some sort of huge shift in the power programs. Like Saban or Meyer taking their jobs kind of shift.

 

[fishwater99]

I love how all you super-competitive folks talk about shutting down the program if we can't win it all.

Newsflash: There are 17 programs that have won the national title in the last 30 years. Most of them have one exactly ONCE and then fallen back into the pack (Tennessee, Texas, Michigan, Washington, Colorado, Notre Dame, Penn State, Oklahoma). More of them won multiple titles and then fell off the map (Miami, Nebraska).

Of the remaining 6, three are in OUR DIVISION OF THE SEC, and one of them is in the midst of a dynasty.

WTF do you people want? To go undefeated every year? It's not going to happen. Maybe, one day, if we quit running off our coaches, we will have enough winning seasons to start pulling in the better recruits we need to compete with the biggest kids on the block. Until then, enjoy having winning seasons and going to bowl games. This is the best it's ever been for MSU football, yet some of our "fans" can't do anything but ***** about it.

For the record, here are the 17 (out of 130) teams that have won National Titles in the last 30 years:
Alabama (5)
Ohio State (2)
Florida State (3)
Florida (3)
Auburn (1)
LSU (2)
Texas (1)
USC (1)
Miami (2)
Oklahoma (2)
Tennessee (1)
Nebraska (2)
Michigan (1)
Washington (1)
Colorado (1)
Notre Dame (1)
Penn State (1)

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/

How about beating Bama once, just once. Freeze has done it twice already in his career.

How about beating an SEC team that finished with a winning conference record. Dan has done that just once at MSU.

Up to this year Dan has beaten the teams we were supposed to beat, but that seems to be changing too(USA).

 

[Ishmael]

I agree it would be nice to beat Bama. I disagree doing so ought to be the measuring stick for Mullen. Sure, Freeze has beaten Bama twice, but also has an identical record as Mullen has over the period Freeze has been at Ole Miss, which means Freeze has lost other games Mullen has won.

 

[QuadrupleOption]

I think its fair to assume that Miami, Nebraska, Tennessee, Washington, Colorado, and Penn State will never win another national title barring some sort of huge shift in the power programs. Like Saban or Meyer taking their jobs kind of shift.

Exactly. They managed to win it all but couldn't sustain the level of their program. Most of them are just regular programs now just like everyone else.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

WTF do you people want? To go undefeated every year?

You don't want that? Crazy talk.

 

[HD6]

He's beaten Bama twice with a boatload of recruits that have the NCAA embedded in his program.

 

[patdog]

Yeah. I don't think we're going to want any part of what they're going to wind up with from this. 2 wins over Bama is going to come at a high price.

 

[fishwater99]

Yeah. I don't think we're going to want any part of what they're going to wind up with from this. 2 wins over Bama is going to come at a high price.

We can only hope, but I don't have any faith in the NCAA after Cam. The Bears are still cheating and filling the cupboard to tide them over any probation. It's ridiculous how blatant they have become.

 

[patdog]

When did the NCAA ever issue an NOA over Camgate? Or even spend more than the hour or so it takes to make one phone call and write a finding. You're comparing two completely different situations that have nothing to do with each other.

 

[KurtRambis4]

That's what kills me.

The morons that always say "hez beaten SAbaN twice!!!11", are the same morons that are over here constantly making fun of OM for their shenanigans.

You can't have it both ways. You're either willing to cheat your *** off, and dominate Alabama for a couple of year, and suffer the consequences, or not."

 

[The Riddler]

Start this off I think Mullen is a pretty good coach. I think him and Jackie are two best in our history obviously. I won't take sides on who was better but honestly I liked Jackie more and that is just as a person. The only thing I will say on Mullen is that his record against quality sec opponents is god awful. I don't think we should fire him but for all those that say he's the best ever. Ok maybe so but he doesn't beat quality opponents and I don't see that changing anytime soon. It's frustrating to me knowing that when ever we play a quality opponent that we are going to lose. Examples being anybody out of the sec west, Georgia tech, ect...

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

What is going on at OM is MUCH worse than Cam.

 

[fishwater99]

Start this off I think Mullen is a pretty good coach. I think him and Jackie are two best in our history obviously. I won't take sides on who was better but honestly I liked Jackie more and that is just as a person. The only thing I will say on Mullen is that his record against quality sec opponents is god awful. I don't think we should fire him but for all those that say he's the best ever. Ok maybe so but he doesn't beat quality opponents and I don't see that changing anytime soon. It's frustrating to me knowing that when ever we play a quality opponent that we are going to lose. Examples being anybody out of the sec west, Georgia tech, ect...

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