The suspected bomber
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The facts are not in your favor on this one. I don't think that makes it Trump's fault or says anything inherently negative about the generic Trump voter. This guy is unhinged. If he wasn't unhinged about politics, it would be him trying to impress Jodie Foster or some other ridiculousness that set him off.
He is unhinged...you got that part right Mule. But aren't all Leftists? This guy is no Trump supporter. All of his Facebook and Twitter followers were hard core Leftists. (They took his Facebook page down suddenly this afternoon after he was arrested...why?) He's a "Greenpeace" save the Earth warrior! Guy is a stone cold Anti-fa plant. We'll know more about his true background before the weekend is finished. This thing is a set up worse than a Big 12 Basketball game @ Phog Allen Fieldhouse!
... sounds like a liberal nutbag to me...
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cesar-sayoc-20181026-story.html
“He was off, man,” said Robert Fautz, the landlord of a Hollywood, Fla., grocery store where Sayoc once worked in the early 2010s. “He was kind of like a loner-type guy, like a guy in high school who wore black lipstick.”
Fautz, who said he hadn’t seen Sayoc in at least six years, said that Sayoc was very opinionated, but that his political views had apparently shifted over the last decade. “I would have called him like a Democrat, if I had to pick him,” Fautz said. “He was pretty liberal.” Sayoc is now a registered Republican.
It’s only one of several shifting identities that Sayoc — who has claimed Filipino, Italian and Native American heritage — has held in his life, which has been marked by abrupt changes in direction and a smattering of criminal convictions.
A graduate of North Miami Beach High School, Sayoc went on to play soccer at the collegiate level at Brevard College in North Carolina between 1980 and 1981 and then at the University of North Carolina Charlotte in 1983 and 1984. He didn’t graduate.
Years later, in a bombastic and wide-ranging 2014 deposition in a civil lawsuit, Sayoc said that he played soccer professionally for A.C. Milan, one of the highest-profile soccer clubs in Europe. (There is no apparent record of Sayoc being on the team’s professional roster.) He also said he joined a professional wrestling training camp with the hopes of doing WWE-style wrestling.
Sayoc also claimed to have played professional arena football in the U.S. in Arizona and Charlotte before going on to various business ventures, where he hyped his success — especially as a booker and road manager for a Chippendales-style men’s strip show, which he said he had done since 1982. “I’m the best at this business,” he said of his work at strip clubs and shows.
“He gave a biography of himself that seemed delusional and almost comical in how farfetched it had to be,” the attorney, David McDonald, wrote in an email to the Times. “He seemed to want to place himself as a key figure in a number of wildly divergent business ventures, when it was obvious he could not have played the role he described.”
In a 2012 bankruptcy filing, Sayoc said he was unmarried, living with his mother, and earning $13,000 a year as a grocery store manager after collecting unemployment in 2009 and 2010. He said he owned a 2001 Chevy Tahoe with 285,000 miles on it.
Even in the bankruptcy filing, Sayoc didn’t list the grocery store as his employer — rather, he said he worked for the investment company that owned the property.
He didn’t.
“He was definitely very sure of himself. He was confident, but he was a bust-out. He didn’t have any money,” said Fautz, who owned the investment company. “He was working at a grocery store in a low-income, moderate neighborhood.”
Fautz, who is of Italian heritage, said Sayoc also made a big deal about being Italian, but there was “nothing authentic Italian about him.”
In Sayoc’s Twitter profile, he seemed to more recently identify himself as a member of the Seminole Tribe of Florida — and in 2016 created an LLC called “Native American Catering & Vending" — but in a statement, the tribe said it could find “no evidence” that Sayoc was a member.
His life has also been pocked by a variety of criminal arrests, including convictions for petty theft, grand theft, possession of an unlawful driver’s license, illegal possession of steroids, and battery.
In 2014 — the same year Sayoc was bragging in a deposition about his prowess as a club promoter who could command $4,500 a week — he was accused of stealing copper piping off a shelf at Home Depot.
The criminal case drawing the most curiosity this week was Sayoc’s 2002 arrest for threatening to bomb an electric utility “worse than September 11th” if it shut off his electricity, according to a police report.
In Sayoc’s deposition more than a decade later, he blamed his own “stupidity” and said, “I got on the phone and I said, ‘What do I have to do, blow up a building to talk to somebody?’” He said it was all a misunderstanding over a joke.
Except in Sayoc’s version of the story, he was a dry-cleaning business owner who had been overcharged for some sort of deposits. (He didn’t actually own the shop.)
“Even though what he was saying was fantastical,” McDonald said, “he said it with conviction and seemed to believe it.”
And by 2018, Sayoc’s social media feeds seemed to be singularly focused on his assertion that Democrats were deceiving the world about their true, manipulative natures.
“They can lie all they want now,” reads one of the memes posted by the Twitter account under Sayoc’s name, “but the truth is the truth!”
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-cesar-sayoc-20181026-story.html
“He was off, man,” said Robert Fautz, the landlord of a Hollywood, Fla., grocery store where Sayoc once worked in the early 2010s. “He was kind of like a loner-type guy, like a guy in high school who wore black lipstick.”
Fautz, who said he hadn’t seen Sayoc in at least six years, said that Sayoc was very opinionated, but that his political views had apparently shifted over the last decade. “I would have called him like a Democrat, if I had to pick him,” Fautz said. “He was pretty liberal.” Sayoc is now a registered Republican.
It’s only one of several shifting identities that Sayoc — who has claimed Filipino, Italian and Native American heritage — has held in his life, which has been marked by abrupt changes in direction and a smattering of criminal convictions.
A graduate of North Miami Beach High School, Sayoc went on to play soccer at the collegiate level at Brevard College in North Carolina between 1980 and 1981 and then at the University of North Carolina Charlotte in 1983 and 1984. He didn’t graduate.
Years later, in a bombastic and wide-ranging 2014 deposition in a civil lawsuit, Sayoc said that he played soccer professionally for A.C. Milan, one of the highest-profile soccer clubs in Europe. (There is no apparent record of Sayoc being on the team’s professional roster.) He also said he joined a professional wrestling training camp with the hopes of doing WWE-style wrestling.
Sayoc also claimed to have played professional arena football in the U.S. in Arizona and Charlotte before going on to various business ventures, where he hyped his success — especially as a booker and road manager for a Chippendales-style men’s strip show, which he said he had done since 1982. “I’m the best at this business,” he said of his work at strip clubs and shows.
“He gave a biography of himself that seemed delusional and almost comical in how farfetched it had to be,” the attorney, David McDonald, wrote in an email to the Times. “He seemed to want to place himself as a key figure in a number of wildly divergent business ventures, when it was obvious he could not have played the role he described.”
In a 2012 bankruptcy filing, Sayoc said he was unmarried, living with his mother, and earning $13,000 a year as a grocery store manager after collecting unemployment in 2009 and 2010. He said he owned a 2001 Chevy Tahoe with 285,000 miles on it.
Even in the bankruptcy filing, Sayoc didn’t list the grocery store as his employer — rather, he said he worked for the investment company that owned the property.
He didn’t.
“He was definitely very sure of himself. He was confident, but he was a bust-out. He didn’t have any money,” said Fautz, who owned the investment company. “He was working at a grocery store in a low-income, moderate neighborhood.”
Fautz, who is of Italian heritage, said Sayoc also made a big deal about being Italian, but there was “nothing authentic Italian about him.”
In Sayoc’s Twitter profile, he seemed to more recently identify himself as a member of the Seminole Tribe of Florida — and in 2016 created an LLC called “Native American Catering & Vending" — but in a statement, the tribe said it could find “no evidence” that Sayoc was a member.
His life has also been pocked by a variety of criminal arrests, including convictions for petty theft, grand theft, possession of an unlawful driver’s license, illegal possession of steroids, and battery.
In 2014 — the same year Sayoc was bragging in a deposition about his prowess as a club promoter who could command $4,500 a week — he was accused of stealing copper piping off a shelf at Home Depot.
The criminal case drawing the most curiosity this week was Sayoc’s 2002 arrest for threatening to bomb an electric utility “worse than September 11th” if it shut off his electricity, according to a police report.
In Sayoc’s deposition more than a decade later, he blamed his own “stupidity” and said, “I got on the phone and I said, ‘What do I have to do, blow up a building to talk to somebody?’” He said it was all a misunderstanding over a joke.
Except in Sayoc’s version of the story, he was a dry-cleaning business owner who had been overcharged for some sort of deposits. (He didn’t actually own the shop.)
“Even though what he was saying was fantastical,” McDonald said, “he said it with conviction and seemed to believe it.”
And by 2018, Sayoc’s social media feeds seemed to be singularly focused on his assertion that Democrats were deceiving the world about their true, manipulative natures.
“They can lie all they want now,” reads one of the memes posted by the Twitter account under Sayoc’s name, “but the truth is the truth!”
definitely a nutbag...
https://news.sky.com/story/male-str...ling-who-is-bomb-suspect-cesar-sayoc-11536562
https://news.sky.com/story/male-str...ling-who-is-bomb-suspect-cesar-sayoc-11536562
I don't understand how you can't see that painting all of one group with the same brush is exactly what I was speaking against. All evidence points to this guy being insanely pro-Trump, emphasis on insane. Are there insanely anti-Trump people as well? Absolutely. I'm not buying into the conspiracy theories until there's proof. Honestly, I don't really care about his politics though. He's a nut, and he's been caught. No one got hurt.
You are such a retard......man caught redhanded, and suddenly he is a "plant" from Antifa? Why don't you tell your violent right wingers to calm down.
They won't admit that he's one of them. That's because most of them are f**king nuts, just like him.
You were spouting false flag BS yesterday and come back with even greater nonsense today. You haven't even seen his Facebook. You just read it somewhere and took it at face value. You never admit you are wrong even when you are time after time. I bet you think Soros bought that van.
My gawd it's scary how stupid some on the right are. I guess the pics of him at trump campaign events a few years ago were fabricated
It's all part of the plan, designed by Trump. Remember in October 2016 with the statements of "the election is rigged" it is a "corrupt system" when the polls weren't in his favor. Then he wins, and suddenly the system is fine. The only things Trumpsters can do is deflect and deny.
i bet it sucks to go through life completely unable to draw your own conclusions based on the facts in front of you......I've got a coworker just like Atl who swore the Clinton's had young kids on an island somewhere. He believed the pizza joint story too. And they neve admit they were played..... they just move onto the next story.
My technician thinks Biff is the next coming of Christ. He also thinks we will see the apocalypse in our lifetime and he claims to have a many year supply of food buried somewhere in his yard.
I have always wondered how folks that are smart enough to graduate from a college or university could fall into this trap of believing what they hear or read without any independent research or any level of skepticism. And when proven wrong they brush it off like they never believed it and move on. I can't even begin to understand that.
He's a nut you are 100% correct there Mule team. But I'm not buying he went through all of that on his own and he doesn't even have a real job! Common sense would dictate he'd at least have a bank account we can check? Nada? Where's he work? Who knows this Dude? Why's he such a mystery?
What about his phone records? Nope. And tell me Mule my Man...who the Hell adorns their van like that just following a political candidate? I've worked on a few campaigns, and we never had a truck wrapped like that! That thing drives around in the South Florida heat like that and those signs aren't even warped? They're all perfectly cut and cropped like a damn advertisement? None of 'em faded? How long have those signs been on that truck Mule my Brother? That sh*t looks brand new! Everything lined up perfectly? So he took all of his free time to wrap that Van like that and he doesn't even have a freakin' real job? Give me a break! Where'd he get the money to dress his truck up like that? Why? Is he a big time fund raiser?
When's the last Trump rally he attended? How much has he donated to the campaign? Why isn't he working a phone bank, or doing canvassing of a Trump neighborhood if he's that geeked up for the campaign? Besides, Trump isn't even on the ballot! Why is he driving around with all of that Trump paraphernalia on his truck instead of Ron Desantis or Rick Scott stuff if he's so Pro Trump? Either one of those is the hot race down there, not Trump!
C'mon Mule...open your eyes...think!
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I have always wondered how folks that are smart enough to graduate from a college or university could fall into the trap of the emotional logic the left uses as a basis for their policy.
I've often wondered how folks who have College degrees lack common Horse sense when it comes to politics? Like how do you tax more money from rich people and expect to get more out of them? How can you promise everything to poor folks and expect them to ever be able work for themselves?
College educated folks believe this caca.
Atheists think Hell is a made up imaginary wonderland full of fire and brimstone. Funny how none of the people who don't believe in it ever say how much they'd like to go see it for themselves?
Stupid? Based on your assessment everyone that attends one of his campaign rally's is ignorant. Even your liberal media friends are there. So, is everyone in attendance a certified nut-job too?
Dammit son, you might just fall in that stupid bucket yourself. You're not good at this. Similar to your sports analysis, one-sided nonsense .
I work with a bunch of folks who are throwing a party Tuesday night after the Democrats get flushed down the toilet like a big sh*t after a good meal!
What they will not be able to explain Dog, is how all the stupid people win in two weeks and all the smart educated erudite types got their clocks cleaned?
I bet it sucks voting for candidates who have no winning agenda, or can't explain why they're running? I mean why vote? What for? To lose?
Guess so?[eyeroll]
Really? Trump does not appeal to the raw emotion of the white masses when he holds his daily rallies? Give me a fvking break. And of course Atl liked it proving my point that he can't think for himself.
The Romans thought Jesus was dead after they crucified him. Millions of folks to this day still don't believe he ever was or even existed, much less arose from his grave. Go figure?
I've often thought if you vote Democrat you're a damn fool. Especially if you know they're going to lose! Why do that? Why the Hell do you vote for them anyway? Give me one good reason.
You can't. So why vote for them? Stupid...stupid...stupid....stupid...stupid...
You're voting for candidates and you can't even explain why, yet you expect them to win? That is just bat sh*t stupid.
For you Leftists who refuse to admit you're Socialists...tell me what was Beto O'Rourke missing in his campaign that you just can't understand why Texans would pick that idiot Ted Cruz over him? What didn't you like about 'ol Beto's message? Why are Texans so stupid? He's a Socialist, what part of his agenda do any of you disagree with?
First of all, what sports analysis are you referring to? But back to your point, trump rallies remind me of old WWF shows. People went (and still go) even when they know it's a big show. They go for the entertainment aspect. I am sure there more than a few that attend a trump rally for that reason. But you can clearly see the masses at trump rallies cheer his lies either not knowing the truth or truly believing everything he trump says. You got to one gawd damn stupid individual to attend a trump rally and cheer his drivel. Those folks are not intelligent. Sorry but that is true.
PS still waiting for the middle class tax cut before the election. Cheer on though.
Democrats aren't appealing to their highly educated constituents when they hold their flea market auctions for their discredited ideas?
Who'll give me 500.00 for free housing...going once, going twice....SOLD to the freeloading carpetbagger OM1!!!!!
Hope... Change....
Come on... the left has appealed to the populist mentality forever.
Nevertheless trump plays to the emotions of the less educated. It's his base. I'm not talking about conservative politics, I'm talking about the idiots that worship him for some reason .